It appears that the two QB system had ended.
A post had been made on the BSU board earlier this week from someone in Nate's hometown indicating that this was going to happen.
The StarPress reported it late last night (I think).
I'm kind of surprised by this. I know that Davis is a talent, but Lynch is
a 5th year senior and a pretty good QB.
Also, if you look at BSU's games, offense hasn't really been a big problem, they've scored enough to win games. Defense has been the side of the ball that has been lacking. If they play just a little better defense, they are 3 -1 instead of 1 - 3.
I wonder if they made any changes on the defensive side of the ball ?
If this is true it would be a shocker...Lynch can play.... Ball St is averaging 298 ypg PASSING... Is Hoke that secure in HIS future that he will play for that future now?
HuskiesRule73 Wrote:If this is true it would be a shocker...Lynch can play.... Ball St is averaging 298 ypg PASSING... Is Hoke that secure in HIS future that he will play for that future now?
Davis is very good and has looked good when in the games. Watch out for Ball State's offense the next four years.
rocketfootball Wrote:HuskiesRule73 Wrote:If this is true it would be a shocker...Lynch can play.... Ball St is averaging 298 ypg PASSING... Is Hoke that secure in HIS future that he will play for that future now?
Davis is very good and has looked good when in the games. Watch out for Ball State's offense the next four years.
No doubt about that... Davis is a PLAYER..... May be the next great MAC thing..but is Hoke going to be there for that future? They have to start winning some of these games and he probadly has to start TOMORROW.
HuskiesRule73 Wrote:rocketfootball Wrote:HuskiesRule73 Wrote:If this is true it would be a shocker...Lynch can play.... Ball St is averaging 298 ypg PASSING... Is Hoke that secure in HIS future that he will play for that future now?
Davis is very good and has looked good when in the games. Watch out for Ball State's offense the next four years.
No doubt about that... Davis is a PLAYER..... May be the next great MAC thing..but is Hoke going to be there for that future? They have to start winning some of these games and he probadly has to start TOMORROW.
I believe BSU is 1-0 in the MAC right now. A win tomorrow and they move up next to WMU and CMU as the three favorites in the MAC West.
Sounds like Hoke has found another way for BSU to make a scapegoat out of a Lynch. First it was the coach and shithole facilities, now it's the QB and a 1AA loss.
And more interestingly, Hoke could lose his team if he benches their captain in favor of the hotshot true frosh.
Certainly would be a real big win for Ball State.Davis will spread out the Huskie defense throwing deep..That and the Akron-Kent game should be real interesting.
Quote:Sounds like Hoke has found another way for BSU to make a scapegoat out of a Lynch. First it was the coach and shithole facilities, now it's the QB and a 1AA loss.
And more interestingly, Hoke could lose his team if he benches their captain in favor of the hotshot true frosh.
Please point out one shred of evidence that Coach Hoke has blamed Bill Lynch for the state of the program or its facilities. Please point out one shred of evidence that he's blaming Joey for the loss to NDSU.
You can't, and you know that you can't.
Nate Davis has played in *every game* so far this year, and has played well, and shown tremendous promise and an ability to force opposing defensive coordinators to adjust to him being on the field. If Hoke starts him on Saturday, it's because he's earned the starting job and Hoke feels he gives us the best chance to win against NIU.
Papa Lou BSU Wrote:Quote:Sounds like Hoke has found another way for BSU to make a scapegoat out of a Lynch. First it was the coach and shithole facilities, now it's the QB and a 1AA loss.
And more interestingly, Hoke could lose his team if he benches their captain in favor of the hotshot true frosh.
Please point out one shred of evidence that Coach Hoke has blamed Bill Lynch for the state of the program or its facilities. Please point out one shred of evidence that he's blaming Joey for the loss to NDSU.
You can't, and you know that you can't.
I chose my wording very carefully to suggest that Hoke simply found the newest thing for
BSU to pin on a Lynch.
And you know damn well that you only remove a very productive fifth year senior captain when something is not going right, and despite Lynch's good play he's benched because a shakeup needed to occur after losing at home to NDSt. If you think this change has nothing to do with the loss to NDSt, you're being naive and you're not the type to have your head in the sand.
Quote:Nate Davis has played in *every game* so far this year, and has played well, and shown tremendous promise and an ability to force opposing defensive coordinators to adjust to him being on the field. If Hoke starts him on Saturday, it's because he's earned the starting job and Hoke feels he gives us the best chance to win against NIU.
Everyone I've heard from about the IU game say that the insertion of Davis slowed momentum in a game in which you were held scoreless in the second half. He tore up EMU. I'm sure he's very talented and deserving, but the timing is not coincidental.
Quote:Sounds like Hoke has found another way for BSU to make a scapegoat out of a Lynch. First it was the coach and shithole facilities, now it's the QB and a 1AA loss.
Our facilities are in need of repair. If you attend the game, you'll find that the facility is being prepared for a major upgrade, beginning at the end of the season. $15.5M worth throughout. Construction will conclude in advance of the 2007 season.
For what it's worth, we should have beat IU handly; we didn't . We should have challenged Purdue better, if not won the game; we didn't. We need change desparately. Joey is doing a fantastic job. Guess what, Nate's a lot better than Joey. Brady wants to win now and he's been building the foundation to do it. Nate is a significant piece of that foundation. It's pretty simple really - hey, we're 1-3.
My earlier point was that offense hasn't really been Ball State's problem.....defense has. I guess it just seems that maybe something that
wasn't broken is being fixed.
With that said, maybe the coaches have looked around on the defensive side of the ball and determined that their are no good enough parts to change and fix the defense. The next couple of weeks may give the answer.
Quote:Everyone I've heard from about the IU game say that the insertion of Davis slowed momentum in a game in which you were held scoreless in the second half. He tore up EMU. I'm sure he's very talented and deserving, but the timing is not coincidental.
Everyone "you've heard" is dead wrong. I was at that game, and there was no discernible difference in the offense in the second half between the series that Lynch led and those that Davis did. Neither QB led us to a score, likely due to some nice halftime adjustments by Indiana and some drops by receivers for both QBs. But we lost because our defense forgot how to tackle, and because our special teams gave up an 11-point swing in our opponent's favor (missed 40-yd. FG, missed extra point, gave up kickoff return for TD).
If someone wants to criticize Davis' play against Indiana, then they should also have a ready answer as to why any play the true freshman allegedly didn't make was somehow bigger than the hideous, brain-cramp INT that the fifth-year senior threw in the first half, when we were up 14-0 and had driven inside the Indiana 20, and were poised to score again and step on the Hoosiers' throats.
Davis also outplayed Lynch at Purdue, FWIW...
And both QBs will likely still see plenty of action on Saturday night. And who knows, this could all be a ruse and Dante Love could start the game under center, considering his success against NIU last year...
Finally, and most importantly, it won't matter if *Tom* Brady's back at QB for Ball State this weekend, if our defense doesn't improve.
HuskieDan Wrote:Sounds like Hoke has found another way for BSU to make a scapegoat out of a Lynch. First it was the coach and shithole facilities, now it's the QB and a 1AA loss.
And more interestingly, Hoke could lose his team if he benches their captain in favor of the hotshot true frosh.
Lynch is the highest rated qb in the MAC. By replacing him you are placing blame upon him. They may win w/Davis but that doesn't discount that after a loss you have dropped the most productive QB in the MAC from your starting lineup. Personnally as a Bronc fan, I'm happy. Lynch has always caused us problems.
Nate Davis obviously has a lot of skills - he's physically impressive and didn't get rattled in the pocket. He'll be very successful.
That said, before NIU went prevent in the last 8 minutes of the game, he led his team to about 210 yards and 14 points - 7 of which came off a Wolfe fumble at our 40 - and 4 punts and a TO on downs, against an NIU D that is not going to remind anyone of the '85 Bears. He made some throws in the third quarter that were just off enough to make it difficult for his WRs.
And in the ultimate dick move, Brady puts Lynch in early in the fourth quarter down 23 and asks him to run the hurry up O. After Lynch fumbles trying to make a play in desperation mode, Brady puts Davis back in and tells him to run the ball and huddle up, taking his time and essentially giving in, but wanting to make it respectable. A successful onside kick helps make the score actually look close, when it really wasn't in the second half.
So, on the whole, the move to play Davis most of the minutes was an abject failure if your goal was to win a big division home game. Down the line, this could prove to be some very good experience.
I thought Davis looked good and wasn't underthrowing wide open WR or throwing 5 yard passes on 3rd and 10, etc like we've seen in the recent past. Instead of WR having to bail him out, most of the completions were on the money. Of the 11 incompletions, 5 or 6 were drops or at the very least should have been caught. BSU's drives seemed to stall between the 40s most of the night due to drops or penalties.
That said, it doesn't matter which QB starts with the horrible defense. It has to be tough on offense knowing that if you don't score a TD that it probably means being further behind because the other team is likely to score. I swear if NIU had 3rd and 98 they could have picked up the 1st down. Given those circumstances I thought it was a decent first start for Nate.
I don't know why Lynch played at all. Then again, I wouldn't decline a penalty that would have set up 4th down and likely a FG attempt (though not guaranteed) but instead led to a NIU TD on the very next play.
