Since it's boring on this site, here's a topic for discussion: How do the vastly different admission standards at some MAC schools impact the competitiveness of their programs?
I think it's why Notre Dame is afraid to join the MAC. Their low admission standards still won't help them to be competitive.
The topic of the article below will hopefully help us get students of a higher caliber but this is the crap that we have to put up with. If we are lucky(I am not counting on it) this latest move by University of Illness will anger some in the Illinois government and they punish them financially(unfortunately, it won't happen this year since the budget was just passed).
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local...omo440-fea
You're not following me.
Does the fact that an Akron can accept virtually anyone (based on open enrollment) play in their favor versus a Miami, OU or UofB?
jupitertoo Wrote:You're not following me.
Does the fact that an Akron can accept virtually anyone (based on open enrollment) play in their favor versus a Miami, OU or UofB?
What's their all-time record against those teams? And what's their all-time record against Notre Dame?
RobertN Wrote:The topic of the article below will hopefully help us get students of a higher caliber but this is the crap that we have to put up with. If we are lucky(I am not counting on it) this latest move by University of Illness will anger some in the Illinois government and they punish them financially(unfortunately, it won't happen this year since the budget was just passed).
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local...omo440-fea
My favorite part,
"Several guidance counselors who attended Tuesday's meeting said that families are most upset about the university's goal to increase the number of non-resident students.
But Herman said that change would also help the bottom line. Those students pay about $15,000 more a year in tuition than Illinois students."
Sure, stealing from people by taking their taxes then not providing the service is a GREAT way for increasing the bottom line.
jupitertoo Wrote:You're not following me.
Does the fact that an Akron can accept virtually anyone (based on open enrollment) play in their favor versus a Miami, OU or UofB?
Miami has high admission standards and they have the best all-time record of any MAC school and one of the best in the nation. So no, I don't think it really has much of an impact.
DrTorch Wrote:I think it's why Notre Dame is afraid to join the MAC. Their low admission standards still won't help them to be competitive.
I doubt that is the main reason.
DrTorch Wrote:I think it's why Notre Dame is afraid to join the MAC. Their low admission standards still won't help them to be competitive.
lmfao
DrTorch Wrote:RobertN Wrote:The topic of the article below will hopefully help us get students of a higher caliber but this is the crap that we have to put up with. If we are lucky(I am not counting on it) this latest move by University of Illness will anger some in the Illinois government and they punish them financially(unfortunately, it won't happen this year since the budget was just passed).
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local...omo440-fea
My favorite part,
"Several guidance counselors who attended Tuesday's meeting said that families are most upset about the university's goal to increase the number of non-resident students.
But Herman said that change would also help the bottom line. Those students pay about $15,000 more a year in tuition than Illinois students."
Sure, stealing from people by taking their taxes then not providing the service is a GREAT way for increasing the bottom line.
With this news being made public U of I has shot themselves in the foot. Legislators are going to hammered by constituents for considering any increased funding for higher education when the university is seeming to favor out of state students over instate students.
If Illinois wants to attract out of state students they need to put more emphasis on private fundraising to enhance their curriculum offerings and the campus in general. NIU has raised millions for a New School of Business, Alumni Center and the Athletic and Academic Performance Center in just the past 5 years.
I don't know how many of you who post here have ever seen the Champaign campus but let me tell U it's nothing special. The buildings look old and worn, not the quality of landscaping or scenic views you would expect from a "flagship" university.
Another way this will comeback to bite U of I is that the cost of a Private University degree isn't much more expensive than a Public University degree if you attend Community College your first 2 years.
Illinois has some excellent Community Colleges that have recently and are in the process of spending some huge $'s on new and renovated facilities.
College of DuPage is in the 4th year of a 10 years Master Plan which calls for 4 new buildings and renovation to 3 others plus renovations to all exterior athletic facilities at a cost of $297M!
Harper College in the past 5 years has spent $102M for a new Applied Science Center and a Performing Arts Center.
Triton College has a botanical garden, a planetarium, a performing arts center and a Baseball Stadium whose renovation was paid for by Kirby Puckett, an alum of the program.
The Private Schools I am familiar with in Illinois have become much more accepting of CC transfers, afterall they are competing for students and $'s with public universities. What U of I is doing can come back to bite them.
The admissions standards for a Blue Chip Athlete and for Joe Blow have little in common. I doubt if all Michigan and Notre Dame footballers aced the SAT.
Although I hear that the U of Texas QB was a genius. lmfao
LakelandRocket Wrote:The admissions standards for a Blue Chip Athlete and for Joe Blow have little in common. I doubt if all Michigan and Notre Dame footballers aced the SAT.
That's very true. I know Michigan has a looser admission standard for athletes than they do for non-athlete students.
I think some schools give coaches a rubber stamp with recruits and others do not. At Ohio some recruits in the past were turned away because the academic standards weren't met. Coaches learn not to waste their time and energy on those recruits. At others schools a coach knows that the the admissions office with rubber stamp his recruits no matter what and can be more agressive.
msopher Wrote:DrTorch Wrote:I think it's why Notre Dame is afraid to join the MAC. Their low admission standards still won't help them to be competitive.
I doubt that is the main reason.
Chryst told me so in a dream....
rocketfootball Wrote:jupitertoo Wrote:You're not following me.
Does the fact that an Akron can accept virtually anyone (based on open enrollment) play in their favor versus a Miami, OU or UofB?
Miami has high admission standards and they have the best all-time record of any MAC school and one of the best in the nation. So no, I don't think it really has much of an impact.
Not sure if you need to meet anything more than NCAA minimum qualification standards to make the Miami Football team.......
Miami always has an edge in recruiting as the only MAC school in the Cincy-Dayton area and closer to Kentucky than anyone else. Then as probably the best school in that region it helps recruiting.
The academic schools like Duke, Standford, ect that play 1-A tend to get a higher caliber of student athlete on their football team, but I'm sure they would take a basic qualifier if a 5 star recruit.
SMU tried for a while to make its admission standards for its football team as stringent as the university after the received death penalty.....it obviously hasn't worked.
OU's game since the Pete Germano recruiting era is to hit the southern military academies hard for 21 year old freshman that are old enough for the Athens Bars.
For all the talk and perception that a degree from an Ivy league schools and highly ranked undergraduate universities are so superior to other universities they still have their share of ding-dong grads. High School students applying to school are mostly judged on their GPA which can vary greatly depending on what high school they attended and how demanding their course load was.
Today I really think a Bachelor's doesn't make you any better than any that has equivalent experience in your field and without a degree. 1/3 of the population has a bachelor's
The true elite professionals are graduating from top 20 law, business, med schools, or earning PHd's.........that is really where the best of the best are to be found.
I don't think that Miami's success on football should be attributed to being close to Dayton/Cincinnati and Kentucky.
In fact, I would say in a normal year Miami recruits maybe 1 guy from Kentucky and has as many Northern Ohio players as Southern Ohio players.
Miami's best players this year are from Toledo (Robinson) and Canton (Card)
Miami's best players last year were from Michigan (Nande), Missouri (Nance) and Georgia (Busing)
Miami's best player ever was from Findlay
chuckwalker Wrote:I don't think that Miami's success on football should be attributed to being close to Dayton/Cincinnati and Kentucky.
In fact, I would say in a normal year Miami recruits maybe 1 guy from Kentucky and has as many Northern Ohio players as Southern Ohio players.
Miami's best players this year are from Toledo (Robinson) and Canton (Card)
Miami's best players last year were from Michigan (Nande), Missouri (Nance) and Georgia (Busing)
Miami's best player ever was from Findlay
Yea but do you not agree that Miami has an edge in the Cinncy-Dayton area over the rest of the MAC?
Can't hurt.
As for Miami, they have great tradition so they probably get more of the gifted academic (good) players than most of the other MAC schools. Miami has proven that they can sustain a good program while adhering to their academic standards. The problem for U at B is they simply cannot build the program with smart kids. They have brought in some marginal academic guys but they quickly fell out of the program and have hurt the APR. That sets them back even further. Bottom line is that Turner Gill should deliver a higher caliber recruit than Hofher did. Maybe convince a few kids to come to Buffalo instead of places like Miami, Syracuse, Ohio, etcc...