It took some effort but they finally came up with a good, reliable bowl count
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The answer is: 5*
(Liberty, GMAC, B'ham, and N.O + Fort Worth and Hawaii each count as a half).
The * is for the Houston Bowl which is a one year out of four commitment for C-USA (and the bowl may not continue). The count could be considered 5 1/4 if the Houston Bowl survives and 5.0 if it doesn't.
The much bandished 6 count is skewed in that two bowls, Fort Worth and Hawaii, are 2 years out of 4 for C-USA. C-USA will be in FW when then are not in Hawaii and vice versa. To count both in a single year would be a no-no
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C-USA can put that '6 count' to bed. :shhh:
Recap: C-USA is down to 5 and MAC up to 3. The trend is definitely in the right direction.
Well, to be technical......
Last year we only had 5 official tie ins as well yet had 6 teams bowling.
We're losing the Hawaii Bowl, but nobody is crying. It's a fans nightmare. And we added the Bham Bowl which is close to most CUSA teams.
The Knight Time Wrote:We're losing the Hawaii Bowl, but nobody is crying. It's a fans nightmare.
It is a nightmare for the schools too and an even bigger nightmare if Hawai'i isn't in the game. It costs the visiting school far too much to travel there, they can't possibly end up in the black. This will get minimized with the PAC-10. They'd be better off giving the PAC-10 the game full time.
mattsarz Wrote:The Knight Time Wrote:We're losing the Hawaii Bowl, but nobody is crying. It's a fans nightmare.
It is a nightmare for the schools too and an even bigger nightmare if Hawai'i isn't in the game. It costs the visiting school far too much to travel there, they can't possibly end up in the black. This will get minimized with the PAC-10. They'd be better off giving the PAC-10 the game full time.
The cheapest package for UCF fans in December was starting at 1100 dollars.
And we were planning on driving to either MEmphis or Mobile for a grand total of maybe 300 dollars.
Great for the team, bad for fans.
I don't know how many years the PAC-10 will go to Ft. Worth. The Pac-10 has their BCS bowl, the Sun Bowl, the Emerald City Bowl, the Holiday Bowl, and the Sun Bowl ahead of this bowl. Also, the bowl in San Diego bowl is an at-large bid that could go the the Pac-10.
I predict the Ft. Worth bowl will only get a Pac-10 team on year.
Also, remember there will be 32 bowl games if the Houston Bowl stays certified. The last time the NCAA had a 12 game schedule only 69 and 68 teams were bowl elgible and that included Independents, WAC and Sun Belt squads.
I fully expect C-USA to sneak a 6 bowl in some of these upcoming years.
Jack Burns Wrote:Also, remember there will be 32 bowl games if the Houston Bowl stays certified. The last time the NCAA had a 12 game schedule only 69 and 68 teams were bowl elgible and that included Independents, WAC and Sun Belt squads.
I fully expect C-USA to sneak a 6 bowl in some of these upcoming years.
Yes, but the NCAA allows all games against I-AA teams to count now. That in itself could allow a couple more teams to be bowl eligible that wouldn't have been before.
While the Hawaii bowl is bad bowl game in terms of fan support and profit, it is an important recruiting tool. Being able to say you could go bowling in Hawaii is a big advantage in recruiting.
Also, if Hawaii is in the bowl you can almost expect to lose. The always get some of the best home calls in the nation.
Rocketfootball, the my total included teams that play 1-AA teams in 2002 and 2003.
Most of teams during that year filled slots with 1-AA teams.
Jack Burns Wrote:Rocketfootball, the my total included teams that play 1-AA teams in 2002 and 2003.
Most of teams during that year filled slots with 1-AA teams.
Yeah, but you could only include one I-AA win every four years. Now you can include as many I-AA wins as you want every year. Translation, Vanderbilt and company will start playing at least one if not two I-AA's every year. If you beat two I-AA's you only need to go 4-6 in your remaining I-A games to be bowl eligible.
Take Kansas State for instance. They are notorious for playing a soft schedule and usually play one I-AA anyway. I won't be surprised to start seeing two I-AA's on their schedules. Unfortunately the NCAA is bringing this on with changing the I-AA and bowl eligibility rule. Just watch, you will see this evolve over the next couple of years.
I don't think the Big East can annually supply 5/6 teams, even with Notre Dame in the mix. In most years, we will likely have four bowl bids. Not bad considering just a few years ago we had just one. We are making progress people, just not always at the speed we would like. I can't express how much of a partner ESPN has been to the MAC over the past five years. This has become a very good partnership.
rocketfootball Wrote:Yeah, but you could only include one I-AA win every four years. Now you can include as many I-AA wins as you want every year. Translation, Vanderbilt and company will start playing at least one if not two I-AA's every year. If you beat two I-AA's you only need to go 4-6 in your remaining I-A games to be bowl eligible.
Isn't it still the case that only one I-AA win per year can be counted?
I had heard a rumor that the WAC was back in negotiations with the GMAC bowl to send one of top two teams to it since they had lost their silicon valley bowl. Any truth to that, that would hurt the MAC if they have to share that bowl like in beginning
ECUgradstudent Wrote:I had heard a rumor that the WAC was back in negotiations with the GMAC bowl to send one of top two teams to it since they had lost their silicon valley bowl. Any truth to that, that would hurt the MAC if they have to share that bowl like in beginning
What if the GMAC is planning on dumping CUSA?
Vandelay Wrote:We are making progress people, just not always at the speed we would like. I can't express how much of a partner ESPN has been to the MAC over the past five years. This has become a very good partnership.
Yes, good partnership.
What we need to take it to the next level is elevate the Motor City Bowl to BCS status with the MAC Champ playing in it.
The system has been tweaked already to 4 BCS games plus a rotating national championship........why not rotate that championship to Detriot every 5 or 6 years?
The MAC doesn't deserve the Big Ten's slot in the Rose Bowl, but why can't it have a BCS game up in Detroit?
55,000 for 7-5 Akron vs. 7-5 Memphis in Detroit says to me that #20 Toledo vs. #12 Texas can fill Ford Field.
The GMAC bowl is in the heart of C-USA. It is an easy drive for Memphis, Southern Miss, Tulane and UAB. UCF, Rice and Houston aren't far away either.
That is why C-USA will always have a hold on the GMAC bowl
I doubt the GMAC bowl drops the MAC. From what I have seen, MAC teams have traveled very well to Mobile. My only reasoning is that the GMAC bowl may want La Tech every now and then.
The MCB will never be a BCS bowl. You really need to stop harping on this.
Airport KC Wrote:Vandelay Wrote:We are making progress people, just not always at the speed we would like. I can't express how much of a partner ESPN has been to the MAC over the past five years. This has become a very good partnership.
Yes, good partnership.
What we need to take it to the next level is elevate the Motor City Bowl to BCS status with the MAC Champ playing in it.
The system has been tweaked already to 4 BCS games plus a rotating national championship........why not rotate that championship to Detriot every 5 or 6 years?
The MAC doesn't deserve the Big Ten's slot in the Rose Bowl, but why can't it have a BCS game up in Detroit?
55,000 for 7-5 Akron vs. 7-5 Memphis in Detroit says to me that #20 Toledo vs. #12 Texas can fill Ford Field.
Exactly how much crack do you smoke a day?
ECUgradstudent Wrote:I had heard a rumor that the WAC was back in negotiations with the GMAC bowl to send one of top two teams to it since they had lost their silicon valley bowl. Any truth to that, that would hurt the MAC if they have to share that bowl like in beginning
I don't think it is very likely. Some of the locals still go to one of the UT message boards and talk to UT fans and mention how they hope Toledo comes back because we had such great fan support.
In the current contract with GMAC (I believe it runs for 3 or 4 more years), the WAC could send a team to the GMAC, but then the WAC has to give the MAC one of their bowl slots so they won't be gaining anything anyway.
Outside of that current contract, anything can happen. But I expect the MAC to still be in the GMAC Bowl after the next contract too.
I assumed that the WAC got behind the N.M. bowl game vs. MWC to make up for the loss of Silicon.
Correct?
Jack Burns Wrote:While the Hawaii bowl is bad bowl game in terms of fan support and profit, it is an important recruiting tool. Being able to say you could go bowling in Hawaii is a big advantage in recruiting.
I don't believe that is grounded in any more than wishful thinking.