http://sports.espn.go.com/ncaa/news/story?id=2349787
ESPN reports that the following MAC schools will lose football scholarships because of poor scholastic performances by student-athletes:
Toledo (6)
Western Michigan (5)
Buffalo (3)
Northern Illinois (2)
basketball:
Kent State (2)
Wow! I am surpised at the number of MAC schools on the list and the abscence of BCS schools. This will hurt the conference if we are losing scholarships at an unparelled rate. I guess the data is what it is, but I can't believe how few BCS schools made the list.
Whoa, so the Flashes lose 2 schollies next season? How does this work?
Unless I overlooked something, it wasn't clear to me from the article how the system will work. Does Kent lose 2 b-ball scholarships for next year? Or in the future?
wow i guess i didn't realize the NCAA was moving ahead with this so quickly. yikes!
FIVE of the eight schools losing multiple football scholarships are MAC schools? :( That's embarrassing. Hopefully we will be drastically improved for round two.
Dorado Wrote:FIVE of the eight schools losing multiple football scholarships are MAC schools? :( That's embarrassing. Hopefully we will be drastically improved for round two.
That's because non BCS schools don't have the resources to have as many course squences such as advanced bowling, and cricket 101.
I am almost positive that it goes into effect immediately; hence Kent will be without 2 scholarships for next season in basketball. If we were having trouble with RPI before, this is going move things further in the wrong direction.
NickSkin Wrote:http://sports.espn.go.com/ncaa/news/story?id=2349787
ESPN reports that the following MAC schools will lose football scholarships because of poor scholastic performances by student-athletes:
Toledo (6)
Western Michigan (5)
Buffalo (3)
Northern Illinois (2)
basketball:
Kent State (2)
Temple isn't really a football member until 2007, but they are eligible for our bowl tie-ins so they should be mentioned too. They are losing 9 scholarships in football. That makes 5 MAC schools out of the 13 member makeup (considering 2007 alignment).
I still don't understand the APR and have yet to had anyone properly explain to me how Toledo's most recent graduation rate was 70%, but their APR score (for the same period of years) was the equivalent of a graduation rate below 60%. At any rate, several MAC schools need to improve.
I don't know how this whole APR stuff is figured, but this is not good PR for Toledo.
Only 8 D-1 Football programs got penalized, and 5 of them are from the MAC! 5 of 8!
And how does Temple get dinked NINE scholarships? Your academic woes have to be very serious to get that many taken away.
This is a serious blow to the MAC's reputation, always touted as the conference that does things the right way.
LongtimeFan Wrote:This is a serious blow to the MAC's reputation, always touted as the conference that does things the right way.
This is another example of why I personally don't like the APR. As a conference we had the 3rd highest graduation rates for football in the last GSR, but most of the schools that get hit in the NCAA's APR are MAC schools. I just don't like how they are figuring out the APR.
Toledo's graduation rate for the same period is 70%, but our APR is equivalent to less than a 60% graduation rate. That is just plain stupid and it is all in the way the APR handles certain factors.
It depends on whose graduation rates you are looking at Rocket Man... The Football Coaches Association always figured their grad rates differently than the NCAA, posting better results. The APR takes into consideration ALL factors and the net result is bad for your football team and my basketball program. The APR is a great way to cut out all ofthe BS that has been going on with "academic reform" and cut to the chase to make sure that every student-athlete is making strong, solid progress towards a degree, in the time frame afforded to them. Like it or not the APR is here to stay.
On the bright side Amstutz could always say that Ray Williams was to have gotten one of those six lost schollies. Talk about bad PR, a convicted involumtary manslaughter guy is on your team one week and the NCAA slapes away 25% of the recruiting class the next.
Not too good!
Flashy Wrote:On the bright side Amstutz could always say that Ray Williams was to have gotten one of those six lost schollies. Talk about bad PR, a convicted involumtary manslaughter guy is on your team one week and the NCAA slapes away 25% of the recruiting class the next.
Not too good!
Not really sure what you are trying to say. Ray Williams has never signed a document at UT for any type of financial aid. Also, I don't believe any new recruits are affected by the loss scholarships. For one, Toledo always keeps a couple of scholarships in hand. We will have to wait and see what comes out in the coming weeks, but I don't believe anyone in the recruiting class gets "slapes away".....whatever slapes means anyway. ;-)
Toledo will have to cut its maximum number of initial counters (i.e., incoming players) to no more than 22 (the NCAA limit is 25) and its overall number of player on scholarship to 79.
Just got word, here is what will happen at Toledo:
[code:1]OK, we had 77 players under scholarship this past fall so the loss of 6 scholarships would be 79 players which we fall under. So no loss there. Now, the other part of the penalty not mentioned anywhere is that we lose 3 scholarships available for recruits out of the maximum of 25. So that means we have 22 available and we signed 23 guys.
So if all 23 players show up in August, one player will have to be told that he is getting greyshirted. He can still play this fall as a walk-on, and then his scholarship would start in January of 2007 and he would count against the 2007 recruiting class.
So, we are not affected by this too much. Sure, it's bad publicity and one kid will have to be greyshirted but that is it.
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BCS scholls comprise 65 of 119 schools playing D1 football and not 1 school is penalized? Not one! That is a statisical improbabilty! This BS is pretty tough to swallow.
I have mention in other topics U of CINN BB, one of the all time worst academic records and they are not on the list?
HuskiesRule73 Wrote:BCS scholls comprise 65 of 119 schools playing D1 football and not 1 school is penalized? Not one! That is a statisical improbabilty! This BS is pretty tough to swallow.
I have mention in other topics U of CINN BB, one of the all time worst academic records and they are not on the list?
yeah that does seem a bit strange, doesn't it. especially when you consider that schools like UC and Ohio State were on the preliminary lists. Did they make that much improvement in that short amount of time? hmmm!
Rick Chryst oughta be raising holy hell over this with the NCAA. 50-plus other Division I schools don't make the minumum 925 cut in football, yet don't lose a single scholarship because of some bogus, arbitrary "squad-size adjustment," yet four league teams will be competing with shortened rosters next year?
Load. Of. Crap.