Having attended Harper and NIU it is good to see a relationship.
As a taxpayer in the dist. for many years I am furious w/ the Harper board. They went before the TAXPAYERS and floated a bond and raised taxes w/o stating their "hidden" agenda to go four year. If I/WE had known of the administration intentions we would have fought the tax increase.
Harper is an outstanding community college and has served the NW suburbs well,but that does not give them the right to change the course of the schools identity and purpose.
I did not realize that Harper College's enrollment is larger than NIU's. I only attended NIU.
College students in my neighborhood are now going to Harper because it is less expensive. They want to continue there because it is inexpensive (i.e. obtain a 4-year degree) and close to home.
It seems to me that NIU could easily grow its enrollment by 10,000 + additional students if it wanted to.
Harper College Facts:
Faculty: 216 full-time, approximately 641 part time
Non-faculty: 555 full and part time
Enrollment: Credit: 25,841; Continuing Education: 11,408
(Academic Year 2004/2005 unduplicated headcount)
In-district Tuition: $75 per credit hour
District Population: 555,100 as of the January 2000 Census
Registered Voters: 260,239 as of January 2003
Total Budget: $156,360,849, including $17,744,041 in referendum building projects.
Communities Served: Arlington Heights, Barrington, Barrington Hills, Elk Grove Village, Hoffmann Estates, Inverness, Lake Barrington, Mount Prospect, North Barrington, Palatine, Prospect Heights, Rolling Meadows, Schaumburg, South Barrington, Tower Lakes, Wheeling and portions of Buffalo Grove, Carpentersville, Deer Park, Des Plaines, Fox River Grove, Hanover Park and Roselle.
Programs Offered: 102 certificate programs, 36 Associate of Applied Science degree programs and 5 transfer degree programs
Campus Size: 200 acres, 24 buildings
Founding Date: District established by referendum March 27, 1965
Opening Date: September 1967
JJ80 Wrote:I did not realize that Harper College's enrollment is larger than NIU's. I only attended NIU.
College students in my neighborhood are now going to Harper because it is less expensive. They want to continue there because it is inexpensive (i.e. obtain a 4-year degree) and close to home.
It seems to me that NIU could easily grow its enrollment by 10,000 + additional students if it wanted to.
Harper College Facts:
Faculty: 216 full-time, approximately 641 part time
Non-faculty: 555 full and part time
Enrollment: Credit: 25,841; Continuing Education: 11,408
(Academic Year 2004/2005 unduplicated headcount)
In-district Tuition: $75 per credit hour
District Population: 555,100 as of the January 2000 Census
Registered Voters: 260,239 as of January 2003
Total Budget: $156,360,849, including $17,744,041 in referendum building projects.
Communities Served: Arlington Heights, Barrington, Barrington Hills, Elk Grove Village, Hoffmann Estates, Inverness, Lake Barrington, Mount Prospect, North Barrington, Palatine, Prospect Heights, Rolling Meadows, Schaumburg, South Barrington, Tower Lakes, Wheeling and portions of Buffalo Grove, Carpentersville, Deer Park, Des Plaines, Fox River Grove, Hanover Park and Roselle.
Programs Offered: 102 certificate programs, 36 Associate of Applied Science degree programs and 5 transfer degree programs
Campus Size: 200 acres, 24 buildings
Founding Date: District established by referendum March 27, 1965
Opening Date: September 1967
Community College enrollment is meaningless comparing it to 4 year schools. College of DuPage is huge as well.
If they went 4 year enrollment would plummet. A community college takes anyone and counts students who are there for one class even if they will never take another one.
NIU27 Wrote:[quote="JJ80"]
. A community college takes anyone and counts students who are there for one class even if they will never take another one.
You just describe the "OPEN" enrollment policy in effect @ Toledo and Akron.
HuskiesRule73 Wrote:You just describe the "OPEN" enrollment policy in effect @ Toledo and Akron.
As Chris Rock said why is called community college? It's called that because anybody from the f*cking community can attend. ie Toledo and Akron ;-)
Quote:It seems to me that NIU could easily grow its enrollment by 10,000 + additional students if it wanted to.
Harper College Facts:
Faculty: 216 full-time, approximately 641 part time
Non-faculty: 555 full and part time
Enrollment: Credit: 25,841; Continuing Education: 11,408
(Academic Year 2004/2005 unduplicated headcount)
In-district Tuition: $75 per credit hour
District Population: 555,100 as of the January 2000 Census
Registered Voters: 260,239 as of January 2003
Total Budget: $156,360,849, including $17,744,041 in referendum building projects.
Communities Served: Arlington Heights, Barrington, Barrington Hills, Elk Grove Village, Hoffmann Estates, Inverness, Lake Barrington, Mount Prospect, North Barrington, Palatine, Prospect Heights, Rolling Meadows, Schaumburg, South Barrington, Tower Lakes, Wheeling and portions of Buffalo Grove, Carpentersville, Deer Park, Des Plaines, Fox River Grove, Hanover Park and Roselle.
Programs Offered: 102 certificate programs, 36 Associate of Applied Science degree programs and 5 transfer degree programs
Campus Size: 200 acres, 24 buildings
Founding Date: District established by referendum March 27, 1965
Opening Date: September 1967
I thought NIU was the 2nd largest college in the state. How many other schools in Illinois have more than 25,000 students?
I think that in the future NIU does plan to increase it's enrollment. The land West of the Convo is going to be used to support all the new students.
NIUGAHuskie Wrote:Quote:It seems to me that NIU could easily grow its enrollment by 10,000 + additional students if it wanted to.
Harper College Facts:
Faculty: 216 full-time, approximately 641 part time
Non-faculty: 555 full and part time
Enrollment: Credit: 25,841; Continuing Education: 11,408
(Academic Year 2004/2005 unduplicated headcount)
In-district Tuition: $75 per credit hour
District Population: 555,100 as of the January 2000 Census
Registered Voters: 260,239 as of January 2003
Total Budget: $156,360,849, including $17,744,041 in referendum building projects.
Communities Served: Arlington Heights, Barrington, Barrington Hills, Elk Grove Village, Hoffmann Estates, Inverness, Lake Barrington, Mount Prospect, North Barrington, Palatine, Prospect Heights, Rolling Meadows, Schaumburg, South Barrington, Tower Lakes, Wheeling and portions of Buffalo Grove, Carpentersville, Deer Park, Des Plaines, Fox River Grove, Hanover Park and Roselle.
Programs Offered: 102 certificate programs, 36 Associate of Applied Science degree programs and 5 transfer degree programs
Campus Size: 200 acres, 24 buildings
Founding Date: District established by referendum March 27, 1965
Opening Date: September 1967
I thought NIU was the 2nd largest college in the state. How many other schools in Illinois have more than 25,000 students?
I think that in the future NIU does plan to increase it's enrollment. The land West of the Convo is going to be used to support all the new students.
NIU is the 2nd largest UNIVERISTY in the state. Every state has numerous LARGE community colleges - just like online universities can be large.
These are NOT counted as Universities.
I just hope that this means that NIU has captured The Harper Valley PTA. I guess I am showing my age.
I believe that SIU is larger than us if you take into account all their campuses.
JJ80 Wrote:I did not realize that Harper College's enrollment is larger than NIU's. I only attended NIU.
College students in my neighborhood are now going to Harper because it is less expensive. They want to continue there because it is inexpensive (i.e. obtain a 4-year degree) and close to home.
It seems to me that NIU could easily grow its enrollment by 10,000 + additional students if it wanted to.
Harper College Facts:
Faculty: 216 full-time, approximately 641 part time
Non-faculty: 555 full and part time
Enrollment: Credit: 25,841; Continuing Education: 11,408
(Academic Year 2004/2005 unduplicated headcount)
In-district Tuition: $75 per credit hour
District Population: 555,100 as of the January 2000 Census
Registered Voters: 260,239 as of January 2003
Total Budget: $156,360,849, including $17,744,041 in referendum building projects.
Communities Served: Arlington Heights, Barrington, Barrington Hills, Elk Grove Village, Hoffmann Estates, Inverness, Lake Barrington, Mount Prospect, North Barrington, Palatine, Prospect Heights, Rolling Meadows, Schaumburg, South Barrington, Tower Lakes, Wheeling and portions of Buffalo Grove, Carpentersville, Deer Park, Des Plaines, Fox River Grove, Hanover Park and Roselle.
Programs Offered: 102 certificate programs, 36 Associate of Applied Science degree programs and 5 transfer degree programs
Campus Size: 200 acres, 24 buildings
Founding Date: District established by referendum March 27, 1965
Opening Date: September 1967
That would mean Harper College is bigger than NIU in terms of students. That really suprises me. So then Harper College is not a community college? or is it? One of my good friend's played football last season on Harper's football team and lead them in receiving, he just got another football scholarship and is transferring to Henderson State in Arkansas to play football for them.
JJ80 Wrote:http://www.dailyherald.com/search/prints...?id=156791
Harper 4-year degree gets key support
By Erin Calandriello
Daily Herald Staff Writer
Posted Thursday, February 16, 2006
SPRINGFIELD — Harper Community College won a key early endorsement from state lawmakers Wednesday for a plan to offer a four-year degree program.
The proposal, which was narrowly approved 7-6 by the House Higher Education Committee, would let Harper set up trial four-year degree programs in nursing and technology.
Currently, community colleges across Illinois offer only two-year degrees.
State Rep. Suzie Bassi, a Rolling Meadows Republican, said the change is needed to address nursing shortages and because many people simply cannot attend four-year universities.
Opposition to the plan came from the state’s four-year universities and colleges, along with the Illinois Community College Board and Illinois Board of Higher Education. The four-year schools view Harper’s plan as intruding on their mission.
“It is not in the best interest of higher education, the state, the budget, or the students,” said Northern Illinois University trustee Myron Siegel.
The plan now advances to the full House for consideration.
Meanwhile, negotiations for NIU to provide four-year degree programs at Harper are in the works, school officials said.
NIU wants to provide four-year programs at Harper’s campus beginning this fall. Such a plan can be done under existing law.
If Bassi’s plan becomes law, it would be 18 months to two years before a degree program would be set up at Harper.
dailyherald.com
Once again, our "friends" in Springfield try to screw NIU. Because of the proximity of the two schools, I see this negatively impacting NIU more than any other Chicago university.
The state can't even afford to fund the schools it has now let alone add another university. Without any or limited state funding going to a 4 year school will cause a significant increase in tuition at Harper and a decrease in enrollment as community colleges count all students many of which are part timers taking as few a one class.
Sounds to me like a power grab by some people at Harper with little thought to funding and its affect on the existing universities.
Harper College knows what it is doing. They have a Strategic Long Range Plan in place. They have hired professional lobbyists. They are located approximately 50 miles from NIU. They have an enrollment of 37,338 and growing. They see the opportunity to offer 4-year degrees and increased housing as sources of new revenue. They have a lot of strengths. Their football team was the National Junior Championship Team National Champion (NJCAA) in 2003 and 2004.
Check out Bryon Gattas who was a recent 3 star recruit by the University of Iowa. 6' 1" 230 Inside linebacker
http://iowa.rivals.com/viewprospect.asp?..._key=42799
Harper College will negatively impact NIU.
JJ80 Wrote:Harper College knows what it is doing. They have a Strategic Long Range Plan in place. They have hired professional lobbyists. They are located approximately 50 miles from NIU. They have an enrollment of 37,338 and growing. They see the opportunity to offer 4-year degrees and increased housing as sources of new revenue. They have a lot of strengths. Their football team was the National Junior Championship Team National Champion (NJCAA) in 2003 and 2004.
Check out Bryon Gattas who was a recent 3 star recruit by the University of Iowa. 6' 1" 230 Inside linebacker
http://iowa.rivals.com/viewprospect.asp?..._key=42799
Harper College will negatively impact NIU.
Sorry, the state does need another 4yr degree granting institution at this time. There are not enough state resources for the current ones in operation. Harper does not cut it. Take out the people taking non degree course and the 37k fall dramatically.
JJ80 Wrote:I did not realize that Harper College's enrollment is larger than NIU's. I only attended NIU.
College students in my neighborhood are now going to Harper because it is less expensive. They want to continue there because it is inexpensive (i.e. obtain a 4-year degree) and close to home.
It seems to me that NIU could easily grow its enrollment by 10,000 + additional students if it wanted to.
Harper College Facts:
Faculty: 216 full-time, approximately 641 part time
Non-faculty: 555 full and part time
Enrollment: Credit: 25,841; Continuing Education: 11,408
(Academic Year 2004/2005 unduplicated headcount)
In-district Tuition: $75 per credit hour
District Population: 555,100 as of the January 2000 Census
Registered Voters: 260,239 as of January 2003
Total Budget: $156,360,849, including $17,744,041 in referendum building projects.
Communities Served: Arlington Heights, Barrington, Barrington Hills, Elk Grove Village, Hoffmann Estates, Inverness, Lake Barrington, Mount Prospect, North Barrington, Palatine, Prospect Heights, Rolling Meadows, Schaumburg, South Barrington, Tower Lakes, Wheeling and portions of Buffalo Grove, Carpentersville, Deer Park, Des Plaines, Fox River Grove, Hanover Park and Roselle.
Programs Offered: 102 certificate programs, 36 Associate of Applied Science degree programs and 5 transfer degree programs
Campus Size: 200 acres, 24 buildings
Founding Date: District established by referendum March 27, 1965
Opening Date: September 1967
Is usually a fraction of their total. Harper's FT enrollment is likely 1/3 of their total. COD's FT enrollment is 30% to 1/3 of their total. COD isn't as large as NIU but is larger than EIU and WIU.
THe continuing increase of college costs, the cut the current administration is making in student loans plus the fact that community college students have an easier time working and going to school are the driving forces behind community colleges wanting to offer 4 year programs. IMO
NIU27 Wrote:JJ80 Wrote:I did not realize that Harper College's enrollment is larger than NIU's. I only attended NIU.
College students in my neighborhood are now going to Harper because it is less expensive. They want to continue there because it is inexpensive (i.e. obtain a 4-year degree) and close to home.
It seems to me that NIU could easily grow its enrollment by 10,000 + additional students if it wanted to.
Harper College Facts:
Faculty: 216 full-time, approximately 641 part time
Non-faculty: 555 full and part time
Enrollment: Credit: 25,841; Continuing Education: 11,408
(Academic Year 2004/2005 unduplicated headcount)
In-district Tuition: $75 per credit hour
District Population: 555,100 as of the January 2000 Census
Registered Voters: 260,239 as of January 2003
Total Budget: $156,360,849, including $17,744,041 in referendum building projects.
Communities Served: Arlington Heights, Barrington, Barrington Hills, Elk Grove Village, Hoffmann Estates, Inverness, Lake Barrington, Mount Prospect, North Barrington, Palatine, Prospect Heights, Rolling Meadows, Schaumburg, South Barrington, Tower Lakes, Wheeling and portions of Buffalo Grove, Carpentersville, Deer Park, Des Plaines, Fox River Grove, Hanover Park and Roselle.
Programs Offered: 102 certificate programs, 36 Associate of Applied Science degree programs and 5 transfer degree programs
Campus Size: 200 acres, 24 buildings
Founding Date: District established by referendum March 27, 1965
Opening Date: September 1967
Community College enrollment is meaningless comparing it to 4 year schools. College of DuPage is huge as well.
If they went 4 year enrollment would plummet. A community college takes anyone and counts students who are there for one class even if they will never take another one.
Neither school will ever completely change their mission from a 2 year to a 4 year university IMO, their open enrollment admission is what drives the numbers of students they have. Harper also have an arrangement with Indiana University on a 4 year general studies program.
With the current administration in Washington taking a hack saw to student loans, there is going to be continuing pressure from the public to allow community colleges to offer 4yr degrees in certain areas of specialty. I expect to see community colleges offering 4Yr educational degrees in the future.
I have a son who will be attending COD Fall 07. Given the current costs, 2 years of college and textbooks will cost me less than $7K which is less than half the cost of one semester living and attending a state university. State universities are going to lose enrollment at least among Freshmen and Sophmores, you can bank on it.
NIU27 Wrote:NIUGAHuskie Wrote:Quote:It seems to me that NIU could easily grow its enrollment by 10,000 + additional students if it wanted to.
Harper College Facts:
Faculty: 216 full-time, approximately 641 part time
Non-faculty: 555 full and part time
Enrollment: Credit: 25,841; Continuing Education: 11,408
(Academic Year 2004/2005 unduplicated headcount)
In-district Tuition: $75 per credit hour
District Population: 555,100 as of the January 2000 Census
Registered Voters: 260,239 as of January 2003
Total Budget: $156,360,849, including $17,744,041 in referendum building projects.
Communities Served: Arlington Heights, Barrington, Barrington Hills, Elk Grove Village, Hoffmann Estates, Inverness, Lake Barrington, Mount Prospect, North Barrington, Palatine, Prospect Heights, Rolling Meadows, Schaumburg, South Barrington, Tower Lakes, Wheeling and portions of Buffalo Grove, Carpentersville, Deer Park, Des Plaines, Fox River Grove, Hanover Park and Roselle.
Programs Offered: 102 certificate programs, 36 Associate of Applied Science degree programs and 5 transfer degree programs
Campus Size: 200 acres, 24 buildings
Founding Date: District established by referendum March 27, 1965
Opening Date: September 1967
I thought NIU was the 2nd largest college in the state. How many other schools in Illinois have more than 25,000 students?
I think that in the future NIU does plan to increase it's enrollment. The land West of the Convo is going to be used to support all the new students.
NIU is the 2nd largest UNIVERISTY in the state. Every state has numerous LARGE community colleges - just like online universities can be large.
These are NOT counted as Universities.
Illinois has been a pioneer in the growth of community colleges. Indiana has only 1 public community college for the entire state. Vincennes University also has dorms. Ohio has only 15 community colleges. Wisconsin has 2 year techinical schools but they don't offer transferable programs. Haper, COD and Triton have quite a bit to offer.
COD offers sports that NIU(track) U of I (men's soccer & men's swimming) WIU(baseball) ISU(men's soccer & men's swimming) and SIU(men's soccer & men's swimming) don't offer. Plus programs they dont' offer either. COD offers a meterology program with field "stormchasing" experience, COD also offers study in 9 foreign languages including Russian, Chinese and Korean. I'll bet not many state universities offer that many foreign languages.
epasnoopy Wrote:JJ80 Wrote:I did not realize that Harper College's enrollment is larger than NIU's. I only attended NIU.
College students in my neighborhood are now going to Harper because it is less expensive. They want to continue there because it is inexpensive (i.e. obtain a 4-year degree) and close to home.
It seems to me that NIU could easily grow its enrollment by 10,000 + additional students if it wanted to.
Harper College Facts:
Faculty: 216 full-time, approximately 641 part time
Non-faculty: 555 full and part time
Enrollment: Credit: 25,841; Continuing Education: 11,408
(Academic Year 2004/2005 unduplicated headcount)
In-district Tuition: $75 per credit hour
District Population: 555,100 as of the January 2000 Census
Registered Voters: 260,239 as of January 2003
Total Budget: $156,360,849, including $17,744,041 in referendum building projects.
Communities Served: Arlington Heights, Barrington, Barrington Hills, Elk Grove Village, Hoffmann Estates, Inverness, Lake Barrington, Mount Prospect, North Barrington, Palatine, Prospect Heights, Rolling Meadows, Schaumburg, South Barrington, Tower Lakes, Wheeling and portions of Buffalo Grove, Carpentersville, Deer Park, Des Plaines, Fox River Grove, Hanover Park and Roselle.
Programs Offered: 102 certificate programs, 36 Associate of Applied Science degree programs and 5 transfer degree programs
Campus Size: 200 acres, 24 buildings
Founding Date: District established by referendum March 27, 1965
Opening Date: September 1967
That would mean Harper College is bigger than NIU in terms of students. That really suprises me. So then Harper College is not a community college? or is it? One of my good friend's played football last season on Harper's football team and lead them in receiving, he just got another football scholarship and is transferring to Henderson State in Arkansas to play football for them.
It is one of the large ones in the state and one of only 4 that offer football.