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22,138. Thats the Official Attendance from last years MACC game.
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65,000 Thats how many people Ford Field will official fit.
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You do the math. It come out to 34 percent or a little over one third full. Toledo fans, Miami fans, if you guys think that filling an NFL stadium to one third capacity on national TV looks good to the rest of the country you are SADLY mistaken. The rest of the country is used to seeing 80K or more for Texas, OSU, USC, Penn State, or Michigan every Saturday. If you think that 22K looks "respectable" to the rest of the country you really need to stop drinking the Kool-aid, get off you whiny little soapbox and find something better to do.

I'm done with this arguement.
Quickzips Wrote:22,138.&nbsp; Thats the Official Attendance from last years MACC game.&nbsp;
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65,000&nbsp; Thats how many people Ford Field will official fit.&nbsp;
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You do the math.&nbsp; It come out to 34 percent or a little over one third full.&nbsp; Toledo fans, Miami fans, if you guys think that filling an NFL stadium to one third capacity on national TV looks good to the rest of the country you are SADLY mistaken.&nbsp; The rest of the country is used to seeing 80K or more for Texas, OSU, USC, Penn State, or Michigan every Saturday.&nbsp; If you think that 22K looks "respectable" to the rest of the country you really need to stop drinking the Kool-aid, get off you whiny little soapbox and find something better to do.

I'm done with this arguement.
First off, congrats to Akron. They got screwed last year. No one drastically stepped up in the East this year, and they deserve the chance as much as any other team. I hate the tie-breaker used, but I don't personally don't think Miami deserved it. BG got beat by Akron. Everyone has equal pros & cons.

That being said..... If you're done with an argument, then why did you start a new thread?

Geez, it's only a few, but some of you Akron fans need to get thicker skin. Yes, a few people have gone overboard in their complaining about Akron, but it's no more than what happens in any other topic. Frankly, there was bitching about Miami and the MACC last year. There was handwringing until NIU got knocked out last year too. All about attendance. If you think Miami, BG, Toledo, NIU get handled with kid gloves in these discussions, you are sadly mistaken.

Guess what...... when you're more in the limelight, you get more attention. If you don't like it, just have your administration forfeit so we can talk about something else. This "woe is me" crap is getting old. Way beyond simple defense of your program with facts.
wow i never thought i'd say this but, i agree with the miami guy! lol
mmcincy Wrote:
Quickzips Wrote:22,138.  Thats the Official Attendance from last years MACC game. 
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65,000  Thats how many people Ford Field will official fit. 
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You do the math.  It come out to 34 percent or a little over one third full.  Toledo fans, Miami fans, if you guys think that filling an NFL stadium to one third capacity on national TV looks good to the rest of the country you are SADLY mistaken.  The rest of the country is used to seeing 80K or more for Texas, OSU, USC, Penn State, or Michigan every Saturday.  If you think that 22K looks "respectable" to the rest of the country you really need to stop drinking the Kool-aid, get off you whiny little soapbox and find something better to do.

I'm done with this arguement.
First off, congrats to Akron. They got screwed last year. No one drastically stepped up in the East this year, and they deserve the chance as much as any other team. I hate the tie-breaker used, but I don't personally don't think Miami deserved it. BG got beat by Akron. Everyone has equal pros & cons.

That being said..... If you're done with an argument, then why did you start a new thread?

Geez, it's only a few, but some of you Akron fans need to get thicker skin. Yes, a few people have gone overboard in their complaining about Akron, but it's no more than what happens in any other topic. Frankly, there was bitching about Miami and the MACC last year. There was handwringing until NIU got knocked out last year too. All about attendance. If you think Miami, BG, Toledo, NIU get handled with kid gloves in these discussions, you are sadly mistaken.

Guess what...... when you're more in the limelight, you get more attention. If you don't like it, just have your administration forfeit so we can talk about something else. This "woe is me" crap is getting old. Way beyond simple defense of your program with facts.
It's good to see someone put Zips fans in their place.
msopher Wrote:
mmcincy Wrote:
Quickzips Wrote:22,138.  Thats the Official Attendance from last years MACC game. 
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65,000  Thats how many people Ford Field will official fit. 
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You do the math.  It come out to 34 percent or a little over one third full.  Toledo fans, Miami fans, if you guys think that filling an NFL stadium to one third capacity on national TV looks good to the rest of the country you are SADLY mistaken.  The rest of the country is used to seeing 80K or more for Texas, OSU, USC, Penn State, or Michigan every Saturday.  If you think that 22K looks "respectable" to the rest of the country you really need to stop drinking the Kool-aid, get off you whiny little soapbox and find something better to do.

I'm done with this arguement.
First off, congrats to Akron. They got screwed last year. No one drastically stepped up in the East this year, and they deserve the chance as much as any other team. I hate the tie-breaker used, but I don't personally don't think Miami deserved it. BG got beat by Akron. Everyone has equal pros & cons.

That being said..... If you're done with an argument, then why did you start a new thread?

Geez, it's only a few, but some of you Akron fans need to get thicker skin. Yes, a few people have gone overboard in their complaining about Akron, but it's no more than what happens in any other topic. Frankly, there was bitching about Miami and the MACC last year. There was handwringing until NIU got knocked out last year too. All about attendance. If you think Miami, BG, Toledo, NIU get handled with kid gloves in these discussions, you are sadly mistaken.

Guess what...... when you're more in the limelight, you get more attention. If you don't like it, just have your administration forfeit so we can talk about something else. This "woe is me" crap is getting old. Way beyond simple defense of your program with facts.
It's good to see someone put Zips fans in their place.
so why would such a huge Toledo 'fan' go to the University of Akron? There is a lot to speculate on, but i would rather not put my foot in my mouth. However, I am curious to know; so what's the deal?
What Quickzips failed to mention was that the upper decks of Ford Field are closed for the MACC and the MCB. They're unavailable for sale. That will skew his percentage juuuuust a bit.

He might have known that if he had ever made it to the MACC before. Here's a hint, zippy: You could have shown support for the MAC by going to the game regardless of who was playing.

I suggest you stop whining since you're part of the problem.

-Dan
Quote:What Quickzips failed to mention was that the upper decks of Ford Field are closed for the MACC and the MCB. They're unavailable for sale. That will skew his percentage juuuuust a bit.

He might have known that if he had ever made it to the MACC before. Here's a hint, zippy: You could have shown support for the MAC by going to the game regardless of who was playing.

I suggest you stop whining since you're part of the problem.

-Dan



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Quickzips Wrote:22,138. Thats the Official Attendance from last years MACC game.
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65,000 Thats how many people Ford Field will official fit.
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You do the math. It come out to 34 percent or a little over one third full. Toledo fans, Miami fans, if you guys think that filling an NFL stadium to one third capacity on national TV looks good to the rest of the country you are SADLY mistaken. The rest of the country is used to seeing 80K or more for Texas, OSU, USC, Penn State, or Michigan every Saturday. If you think that 22K looks "respectable" to the rest of the country you really need to stop drinking the Kool-aid, get off you whiny little soapbox and find something better to do.

I'm done with this arguement.
Well, since you decided to include UT and Miami fans in your whinefest, I guess I can voice an opinion on this one. It looks like 22,138 is something for you guys to shoot for then, huh? I will be seriously disappointed if "the best traveling team" in the MAC and the team that you represent don't draw at least this much. :(

I agree with the previous poster though. Why start a thread if you "are finished with it?"
All,

You must forgive QuickZips and the rest of us Zips fans. Were a bit frustrated that Kit-Krap has decided to start spewing his fresh litter on our board (zipsnation.org). MACbb take him back PLEASE!

:mad:

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Sorry Bobcat fans I have nothing personal against your school, except you're not Akron. Please tell me that ignoramous (clearly makes s*** up!) didn't actually attend your institution!
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msopher Wrote:
mmcincy Wrote:
Quickzips Wrote:22,138.  Thats the Official Attendance from last years MACC game. 
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65,000  Thats how many people Ford Field will official fit. 
<a href='http://fordfield.tekgroup.com/section_display.cfm?section_id=130&top=1&level=3' target='_blank'>http://fordfield.tekgroup.com/section_disp...0&top=1&level=3</a>

You do the math.  It come out to 34 percent or a little over one third full.  Toledo fans, Miami fans, if you guys think that filling an NFL stadium to one third capacity on national TV looks good to the rest of the country you are SADLY mistaken.  The rest of the country is used to seeing 80K or more for Texas, OSU, USC, Penn State, or Michigan every Saturday.  If you think that 22K looks "respectable" to the rest of the country you really need to stop drinking the Kool-aid, get off you whiny little soapbox and find something better to do.

I'm done with this arguement.
First off, congrats to Akron. They got screwed last year. No one drastically stepped up in the East this year, and they deserve the chance as much as any other team. I hate the tie-breaker used, but I don't personally don't think Miami deserved it. BG got beat by Akron. Everyone has equal pros & cons.

That being said..... If you're done with an argument, then why did you start a new thread?

Geez, it's only a few, but some of you Akron fans need to get thicker skin. Yes, a few people have gone overboard in their complaining about Akron, but it's no more than what happens in any other topic. Frankly, there was bitching about Miami and the MACC last year. There was handwringing until NIU got knocked out last year too. All about attendance. If you think Miami, BG, Toledo, NIU get handled with kid gloves in these discussions, you are sadly mistaken.

Guess what...... when you're more in the limelight, you get more attention. If you don't like it, just have your administration forfeit so we can talk about something else. This "woe is me" crap is getting old. Way beyond simple defense of your program with facts.
It's good to see someone put Zips fans in their place.
so why would such a huge Toledo 'fan' go to the University of Akron? There is a lot to speculate on, but i would rather not put my foot in my mouth. However, I am curious to know; so what's the deal?
Got my bachelors and masters at Toledo.


Going to Akron for my PhD.


In case you didn't know, its recommended you switch schools for your doctorate and Akron has a great history department. I've been impressed with the university.
No, I don't think that 22K looked all that great for last year's MAC, but considering the time (weeknight) I don't think it was that bad a showing. This year NIU is located a long ways away and like many MAC fans I don't expect Akron fans to show up in large numbers.....would love to be proved wrong on that count. If you guys can get 20K for the MACC, I'll be the first to congratulate you....I think it'll be tough to garner that many, though.

When the MACC was played at campus sites, you usually had crowds of around 24-25K. I liked the on campus enthusiasm (esp students), but of course there are fairness (or unfairness) issues with regards to one of the participants getting home field advantage. So, the MAC went to Ford Field.....relatively centrally located, and guaranteed good weather. I don't tihnk that they expected to exceed the on campus atteandance, though, and would guess that overall were pleased with last year's attendance of 22K.

My main beef with Ford Field is that I think playing there twice (MACC plus the MCB) takes away from the bowl game event (esp for the players and coaches, and even the fans who travel there twice). For that reason, I would've loved to how seen a different site chosen, but realize that the pickn's were slim for other venues. So, here we are with a "3 year experiment" of a neutral site in Detroit. I'm not sure it will be extended beyond the 3 years if we have very poor attendance the next two years, which I'd loosely characterize as less than 15K or so. (or 50% less than last year). For comparison's sake, UCF will likely pull a crowd approaching 40K for their C-USA championship.......comparisons will no doubt be made.
exCincy Kid1 Wrote:No, I don't think that 22K looked all that great for last year's MAC, but considering the time (weeknight) I don't think it was that bad a showing. This year NIU is located a long ways away and like many MAC fans I don't expect Akron fans to show up in large numbers.....would love to be proved wrong on that count. If you guys can get 20K for the MACC, I'll be the first to congratulate you....I think it'll be tough to garner that many, though.

When the MACC was played at campus sites, you usually had crowds of around 24-25K. I liked the on campus enthusiasm (esp students), but of course there are fairness (or unfairness) issues with regards to one of the participants getting home field advantage. So, the MAC went to Ford Field.....relatively centrally located, and guaranteed good weather. I don't tihnk that they expected to exceed the on campus atteandance, though, and would guess that overall were pleased with last year's attendance of 22K.

My main beef with Ford Field is that I think playing there twice (MACC plus the MCB) takes away from the bowl game event (esp for the players and coaches, and even the fans who travel there twice). For that reason, I would've loved to how seen a different site chosen, but realize that the pickn's were slim for other venues. So, here we are with a "3 year experiment" of a neutral site in Detroit. I'm not sure it will be extended beyond the 3 years if we have very poor attendance the next two years, which I'd loosely characterize as less than 15K or so. (or 50% less than last year). For comparison's sake, UCF will likely pull a crowd approaching 40K for their C-USA championship.......comparisons will no doubt be made.
The game probably should get moved back to campus sites. Unless Toledo, BG or even maybe EMU is in this thing the crowds are going to be horrible. NIU is way to far away for a Thursday night game. Unless they can somehow get the game on at least a Friday night attendance will be a problem. The MAC team with the best conference record should get the game on their campus instead of alternating. This is what CUSA does and it makes sense. If this game was in DeKalb the stands would be full.
seeds99 Wrote:
exCincy Kid1 Wrote:No, I don't think that 22K looked all that great for last year's MAC, but considering the time (weeknight) I don't think it was that bad a showing.&nbsp; This year NIU is located a long ways away and like many MAC fans I don't expect Akron fans to show up in large numbers.....would love to be proved wrong on that count.&nbsp; If you guys can get 20K for the MACC, I'll be the first to congratulate you....I think it'll be tough to garner that many, though.

When the MACC was played at campus sites, you usually had crowds of around 24-25K.&nbsp; I liked the on campus enthusiasm (esp students), but of course there are fairness (or unfairness) issues with regards to one of the participants getting home field advantage.&nbsp; So, the MAC went to Ford Field.....relatively centrally located, and guaranteed good weather.&nbsp; I don't tihnk that they expected to exceed the on campus atteandance, though, and would guess that overall were pleased with last year's attendance of 22K.

My main beef with Ford Field is that I think playing there twice (MACC plus the MCB) takes away from the bowl game event (esp for the players and coaches, and even the fans who travel there twice).&nbsp; For that reason, I would've loved to how seen a different site chosen, but realize that the pickn's were slim for other venues.&nbsp; So, here we are with a "3 year experiment" of a neutral site in Detroit.&nbsp; I'm not sure it will be extended beyond the 3 years if we have very poor attendance the next two years, which I'd loosely characterize as less than 15K or so. (or 50% less than last year).&nbsp; For comparison's sake, UCF will likely pull a crowd approaching 40K for their C-USA championship.......comparisons will no doubt be made.
The game probably should get moved back to campus sites. Unless Toledo, BG or even maybe EMU is in this thing the crowds are going to be horrible. NIU is way to far away for a Thursday night game. Unless they can somehow get the game on at least a Friday night attendance will be a problem. The MAC team with the best conference record should get the game on their campus instead of alternating. This is what CUSA does and it makes sense. If this game was in DeKalb the stands would be full.
For fairness sake, a neutral site is the best alternative.

For attendance sake, a neutral site will struggle to have good attendance compared to on-campus games if the game is held on a weeknight.

Either foresake TV - which would be tough - and put it on a Saturday, or move it back to campuses and do what should have been done initially - give it to the team with the best record, not a rotating home team.
I see the whole fairness point, but I think it should be done like in the lower levels of college football. If you have the better record, then you get the reward of playing at home. While that would be a good advantage, the home team would not win 100% of the time.

The home crowd combined with the visiting fans could provide great attendence; maybe even a sellout.
Like was previously posted, in all honestly, unless, Central Michigan, Western Michigan, or Eastern Michigan is in the MAC Championship game at Ford Field, the MACC game will probably continue to struggle for attendance at Ford Field.
david75bsu Wrote:IMO, Canton and Faucet (SP) Stadium would have been the best site. Strong community support, NFL Hall of Fame, the heart of MAC Country, great football community, neutral site, on and on!

I did go to Pontiac to watch the Motor City Bowl. However, downtown Detroit is not a place I care to go! I understand the stadium is great. Detroit is like going to a third world country - the area just north of downtown looks like it was just bombed last week. Sorry, but nothing good to say about downtown Detroit. However, when Ball State makes it to either game, I will be there.

Finally, going to Detroit two times and within weeks of each other, just does not make sense!

I know that the decision has been made, but I would rather see it return to on campus than in downtown Detroit in mid-week!
The MACCG will do just fine, and how can you forget that it's indoors? Playing outdoors in December is just too risky, and not a good idea. Many people felt that playing the MAC bb championship tournament at the Gund in Cleveland was just as bad an idea as you seem to feel that it is to play in MACCG game in Detroit at Ford Field, on December 1, but now that tournament is probably the best example of MAC athletic success both in finance & attendance. I do however agree that playing the MACCG & the MCB at the same stadium in such a close time span is a problem that has to be addressed.
IMO, Canton and Faucet (SP) Stadium would have been the best site. Strong community support, NFL Hall of Fame, the heart of MAC Country, great football community, neutral site, on and on!

I did go to Pontiac to watch the Motor City Bowl. However, downtown Detroit is not a place I care to go! I understand the stadium is great. Detroit is like going to a third world country - the area just north of downtown looks like it was just bombed last week. Sorry, but nothing good to say about downtown Detroit. However, when Ball State makes it to either game, I will be there.

Finally, going to Detroit two times and within weeks of each other, just does not make sense!

I know that the decision has been made, but I would rather see it return to on campus than in downtown Detroit in mid-week!
I agree that it's a combination of factors. As for the HOF Stadium, in the end I don't think Canton felt that they could host both the HS championships and the MACC in the same short timeframe.

As for Ford Field, if you leave it on a weeknight, it just won't do that well..............perhaps it's time to go back to the campuses again (top seed). I realize that UCF fans have been waiting a long time to have a decent team, but it looks like they'll be drawing 40K plus for their C-USA championship game, which is on a Saturday.

In order to prosper, the MACC needs to move to a Friday night or Saturday, or probably just go back to the campuses where you'll always have a good crowd.
The Zips ticket office called me today with my hotel confirmation, so I asked them how ticket sales were going. They informed me that the entire 3000 seat allotment was completely sold out. They were advising people who called for tickets to contact the Ford field box office. They also me that NIU still had 2000 of their allotment unsold as of this afternoon. :(
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