Rightupinthere Wrote:G-FORCE Wrote:Wow Omar has website!! He must be the better QB. Anybody who called for Phil to be benched after the Akron game was simply saying it out of frusteration. Did you not noticed that he threw for 486 yards nad 6 td's in that game?
I believe this is called "deflection".
I wasn't saying that Omar is a better QB because he has a website. It's normal for fans to put up websites for their fav. I was just wondering when the Grand Wagoneers of NIU were going to set one up for Horvath.
I did notice that he did very well against Akron pass defense. A defense ranked third from the bottom in the MAC. :bluethumb:
Yes and Omar has done well against Temple and yes Ball State! He actually did have a great game @Wisky, but how did your beat down in Boise taste? Call me when Omar wins a big game.
G-FORCE Wrote:but how did your beat down in Boise taste?
Call me when Omar wins a big game.
Couple of things before I turn in for the evening:
One, I didn't play against Boise. In fact, I don't believe I'm even on the team. I wouldn't know how I enjoyed the taste of "my beat down".
Horvath should be congratulated on his series of HUGE wins. Which are - uh - er - hmmmmmmmm. Perhaps he should be congratulated on close losses, then.
I'm done with you. You have deflected everything I've thrown at you. You, however, still argue to your "accuracy" that somehow Jacobs is overrated (as you stated at the beginning of the year) yet Horvath is the best things since flush toilets and legalized prostitution.
Good evening to you G.
MAC leader in passing efficiency is........The freshmen from Buffalo with that 4th qt last week. His rating is like 200 or so I believe. Bulls might have found the man that will lead them out of the basement.
Rightupinthere Wrote:G-FORCE Wrote:Wolfe - 4th in nation with 703 yds rushing (That's not suprising)
Horvath - 5th in nation with 1,483 passing yds, 5th in nation with 13 TD passes (tied with 2 others), 3rd in nation with QB rating of 175.97
Hurd - 5th in nation with 533 receiving yds, 1st in nation with 8 TDs (tied with 2 others)
Wanna talk stats? Okay, let's talk stats.
Horvath: Yeah, nice numbers of 1,483. Of course that equals out to be a whopping 296 yds per game. Jacobs is second in the country at 358 ypg. Remember, Horvath has 5 games where Jacobs only has 4 games. We'll see what Saturday has in store for Omar's stats. Jacob's passing efficiency is just behind Horvath at 170 and the top three guys all have 5 games under their belt. I'm not saying that's a factor, but it is interesting.
Jacobs also has more attempts on fewer games than Horvath but this is out of necessity since our running game is a bit anemic with the injury to Pope.
Question: when is the Horvath for Heisman website going up? Didn't many of your fans want to BENCH him after the Akron game? I seem to remember that being posted during the post Akron suicide watch on the Huskie board.
So, which is it? Is Jacob's overrated? You seem to think Horvath is one of the if not THE best in the MAC but the stats tell a different tale. Which is it, G? I suppose we'll never know until the end of the season.
Hurd: Sanders and Sharon are both ahead of Hurd - statistically speaking YPG. They are just behind in TDs (6.2 and 6.8 receptions per game). Wanna talk TD's? Sanders tied for THIRD (national scoring) with 9 Td's. Hurd is tied at ninth. I don't know from where you get your stats or what classification you're using.
Great. He has more yards. We also have RB's who have put up lots of yards. We spread it out, we aren't a one player offense. One that relies on one QB to make all the plays(passing and running). As G-Force said, Ball State(without their players) and Temple? Not very impressive competition.
If anyone, Wolfe would be the one we make a Heisman site for.
P.S. BSU fans-I said without your players, I am sure you will be better when you have your players back. Not meant as a slam.
Some of you non-NIU fans took some of my comments way out of context. Go back to the original post I said
Horvath is PLAYING like the best QB in the MAC, he is doing that no MAC QB has played better then him this year
Wolfe is the best back in the MAC which he is
We have the best OL in the MAC which we do
Hurd is ONE of the best WR in the MAC which he is
I never said Hurd and Horvath are the best in the MAC.
So you are going to sit here and argue that Horvath isn't playing like the best QB in the MAC and Sam isn't one of the best WR??
.....none of those players have proved anything to me or to Toledo
Rockets1 Wrote:.....none of those players have proved anything to me or to Toledo
Your right you HAVE TO PROVE SOMETHING TO TOLEDO TO BE GOOD!
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This convo has nothing to do with Toledo, except for maybe Bruce.
LakelandRocket Wrote:We have yet to hear from Akron, anyone, anyone?
Akron, please tell us how you stopped that unstoppable offense.
PM me and we'll work out the details.
Giving up 42 points is "stopping"?
Zippy989 Wrote:RobertN Wrote:LakelandRocket Wrote:We have yet to hear from Akron, anyone, anyone?
Akron, please tell us how you stopped that unstoppable offense.
PM me and we'll work out the details.
They stopped the run but they didn't stop our offense. Is 42 points stopping our offense? As I said, go ahead and ask how they stopped our running game but please don't say they stopped our O because they didn't. 
We dared you to throw all game... you finally did in the 4th and we almost gave you the win.. you were not going to run it on us and you didn't... Wolfe 26 carries for 57 yards.
We threw the ball 19 times out of 31 plays in the first half of that game. Doesn't quite jibe with your account.....
OUBOBCATJOHN Wrote:MAC leader in passing efficiency is........The freshmen from Buffalo with that 4th qt last week. His rating is like 200 or so I believe. Bulls might have found the man that will lead them out of the basement.
No, it's not. And he's had less than half of the attempts of the other leaders.
Nasty Wrote:Northern is by far the best team in the MAC so far and should win it all...mark it down...Akron is an unknown but they gave Purdue everything they wanted and are looking strong...UT is still an unknown and I just don't see BG winning it because their defense.
Thats my top four...anyone else??
We're too inconsistent to be considered the best team in the MAC. But then again, who in the MAC hasn't been inconsistent?
NIU007 Wrote:I think our OL might be the best in the conference, if not, certainly one of the top 2 or 3. Our offensive numbers definitely show that. Hurd is currently playing like the best WR in the conference, but that's only for the last 2 games. I wouldn't trade Wolfe for anybody. After watching him run last year and this year, this guy is just fun to watch - he takes such good advantage of the holes he gets. He's like a little blur.
And, of course, I'm not biased or anything. :angel:
Not to mention they have to pop Wolfe's shoulder back into place two or three times a game, which I only bring up since it appears to be ok to play the injury card by the PJ Pope comment.
The reason Akron was successful in the 3rd Q vs. NIU was because NIU stuck with the run too long on three consecutive series when it was obvious the Zips 8 men in the box defensive scheme was shutting our running game down.
Just like I think Miami tried to run too much in the first half on NIU, when clearly the weakest part of our defense is our CB's. The Miami coaches must not have looked at the Akron game film.
For the record, two of Horvath's 5 INT's were tipped by defensive linemen, and one bounced right off of Hurd's hands in OT at Akron.
I am not ready to call Horvath the best QB in the MAC. But his 70+% completion rate is pretty impressive. However, he is helped greatly by the fact that team's cant really drop 7 or 8 guys into coverage, like NIU did last night versus Miami, because of Wolfe.
Slow + steady does not always win the race. Speedy + steady is deadly. Just ask Miami (OH)'s defence. Wolfe is a beast.
and now the lame part of our schedule lies ahead.
marchmadness Wrote:Slow + steady does not always win the race. Speedy + steady is deadly. Just ask Miami (OH)'s defence. Wolfe is a beast.
and now the lame part of our schedule lies ahead.
I hope that the Huskies aren't too lame.
Nasty Wrote:Northern is by far the best team in the MAC so far and should win it all...mark it down...Akron is an unknown but they gave Purdue everything they wanted and are looking strong...UT is still an unknown and I just don't see BG winning it because their defense.
Thats my top four...anyone else??
Purdue 49 Akron 24
Purdue had almost 500 yards total offense.They will probably be a 6-5 or 7-5 ballclub.
G-FORCE Wrote:So you are going to sit here and argue that Horvath isn't playing like the best QB in the MAC
Hell yes. Your proposition is absurd.
Omar is on a pace to potentially break the single-season touchdown record -- and Gregg Brandon is too classy to let him throw 11 against an Eastern Washington, as David Klingler did for Houston in 1990.
Northern Illinois scares me. They run the ball; Bowling Green has struggled defending the run.
But to suggest Horvath is better Omar is hopelessly absurd.
Field Turf Wrote:Not to mention they have to pop Wolfe's shoulder back into place two or three times a game, which I only bring up since it appears to be ok to play the injury card by the PJ Pope comment.
How does a dislocated shoulder affect his ability to run? Pope had both ankles severely sprained in the Wisky game. THAT will affect his ability to run (not to mention his ability to cut).
Your reasoning is hopelessly flawed.
G-FORCE Wrote:Rockets1 Wrote:.....none of those players have proved anything to me or to Toledo
Your right you HAVE TO PROVE SOMETHING TO TOLEDO TO BE GOOD!
TOLEDO
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This convo has nothing to do with Toledo, except for maybe Bruce.
G, you only had eight Toledo's, you needed to add three more. I've fixed that for you below.
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Let me see if I understand this:
NIU fans think Horvath is the best QB in the MAC.
BG fans think Jacobs is the best QB in the MAC.
UT fans think, that while they understand the statistical arguments that may be made for Horvath or Jacobs, that Gradkowski is the best QB in the MAC.
Fascinating stuff.
We need more threads like this.
I like it when people step out on a limb and think independently.
Keep up the good work!
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axeme Wrote:Let me see if I understand this:
NIU fans think Horvath is the best QB in the MAC.
BG fans think Jacobs is the best QB in the MAC.
UT fans think, that while they understand the statistical arguments that may be made for Horvath or Jacobs, that Gradkowski is the best QB in the MAC.
Fascinating stuff.
We need more threads like this.
I like it when people step out on a limb and think independently.
Keep up the good work!
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One difference here at least IMO........
If Omar would show that leadership and beat Toledo and win the MACC then I would personally say yes he is the best QB in the MAC. However, that hasn't been the case yet. Bruce has been the one that has got it done. There is so much more to a QB than statistics. Look at Tom Brady. He doesn't have the stats that some NFL QB's do, but you can't argue with the fact that he keeps winning the Super Bowl. That arguably makes him the best QB in the NFL.........now let's start the debate. :D
I really believe that when you have QB's that have very good stats and are considered the best couple of QB's in the league, the deciding factors need to be leadership, how they perform in the big and meaningful games, and whether or not they lead their team to championships.