Did OU students . . . ummmm . . . "celebrate" the extra hour on Saturday night?
<a href='http://athensnews.com/issue/article.php3?story_id=2439' target='_blank'>http://athensnews.com/issue/article.php3?story_id=2439</a>
seems eerily similar to when i was a soph at miami (the infamous riot on high street that took out the poor parking meter and the dubois book trailer)
greenbbs Wrote:seems eerily similar to when i was a soph at miami (the infamous riot on high street that took out the poor parking meter and the dubois book trailer)
Sounds like the same riots can be found at the old english copycat (Oxford).
Athens is the center of learning.
KC
Hmmm . . . let's see.
Athens is a smog-choked quasi-modern city on the edge of the developed world that is struggling to put on a decent set of athletic events meant to remind the world of its past glories.
Oxford, on the other hand, is a modest but picturesque gem in the English countryside that nevertheless manages to house one of the world's best modern research universities and is world-renowned for housing scholars that (get this!) are still alive.
I'll take that analogy, sir! B)
DevilGrad: Please explain your reference to "one of the world's best modern research universities." Apparently the Carnegie Foundation doesn't agree -- Miami isn't ranked among Research I, Research II or Research II universities.
The only "Research Universities, Doctoral-Extensive" in the state of Ohio are Case Western, Cincinnati, Ohio University, Ohio State University, Kent and Toledo.
Ohio University's annual outside research grants are triple what Miami receives.
Oh, and yes, add your petty comment about "Cannibus" research here__________________, you smug idiot.
The reference was to the OTHER Oxford. I'd've thought that "English countryside" would have given it away, not to mention the description of Athens as a honest-to-God "city." Hell, I think even KitCat got it, and that's sayin' something.
OU may do all sorts of research for all I know. The three generations of family that have attended there studied in nonscientific fields. Good on 'em. It detracts not one jot from what happens at Miami.
There's a lot more I could say but both bandwidth and billable hours are scarce resources. Thanks for playing, you dope. We'll send you the home version so that, next time, you too can meet the Foghorn Leghorn test.
That exchange was actually pretty entertaining!!
And I think we all learned a little something today, about both universities and their graduates!
Why is it I sense Devil Grad would rather go home than post "billable hours" tonight, but he hates how chatty his mom gets at the dinner table?
Ray's Freeze Wrote:Why is it I sense Devil Grad would rather go home than post "billable hours" tonight, but he hates how chatty his mom gets at the dinner table?
Oh, pluuuease! :rolleyes:
Surely you can do better than that.
Good gawd, man! It's Miami v. OU week! Bring your "A" game! B)
Kit-Cat Wrote:greenbbs Wrote:seems eerily similar to when i was a soph at miami (the infamous riot on high street that took out the poor parking meter and the dubois book trailer)
Sounds like the same riots can be found at the old english copycat (Oxford).
Athens is the center of learning.
KC
athens is a center of learning? last time i was out there, i passed 2 outhouses and saw more mullets than i've ever seen on this side of west virginia...the only thing i learned out there is i don't ever wanna go back
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Dodo Wrote:Ray's Freeze Wrote:Why is it I sense Devil Grad would rather go home than post "billable hours" tonight, but he hates how chatty his mom gets at the dinner table?
Oh, pluuuease! :rolleyes:
Surely you can do better than that.
Good gawd, man! It's Miami v. OU week! Bring your "A" game! B)
Unofrtunately Dodo. That probably was his A game. Damn shame what pot does to you.
Dodo Wrote:Ray's Freeze Wrote:Why is it I sense Devil Grad would rather go home than post "billable hours" tonight, but he hates how chatty his mom gets at the dinner table?
Oh, pluuuease! :rolleyes:
Surely you can do better than that.
Good gawd, man! It's Miami v. OU week! Bring your "A" game! B)
Mom's dinner table is surprisingly close to Athens. I am not. And, while Mom can be chatty, she (OU '62) would expect better cognitive skills of a fellow alum.
But y'all do have my deepest apologies for only working until 8:00 last night. :rolleyes: (Now you see why MAKO was smart enough to hang out his own shingle.)
OVERHERD Wrote:Dodo Wrote:Ray's Freeze Wrote:Why is it I sense Devil Grad would rather go home than post "billable hours" tonight, but he hates how chatty his mom gets at the dinner table?
Oh, pluuuease! :rolleyes:
Surely you can do better than that.
Good gawd, man! It's Miami v. OU week! Bring your "A" game! B)
Unofrtunately Dodo. That probably was his A game. Damn shame what pot does to you.
Too true; too true.
Friends don't let friends go to OU....
"Ohio University: A Mind Is a Terrible Thing."
I know you like to wish otherwise, but MOH and Ohio have quite different institututional goals. MOH as you know is focused on trying to be a quasi-private undergraduate teaching oriented school. Are they one of the best in the country at it? MOH probably is, and they do have to be commended for their admission standards. That's what MOH spends its money on, scholarships to attract top students, not research.
Ohio isn't agressively targeting top students. My brother who went to Dartmouth early decision recieved something in the mail from MOH, but nothing from Ohio. Ohio is more interested in being the economic center of S.E. Ohio, and bringing in a larger research dollar each year. We are third in economic impact on the state of Ohio behind OSU and Cinncy, much larger schools. We have the largest endowment in the MAC, over 50 million for our engineering college alone. That Engineering endowment goes to facilites, and endowed professorships, not scholarships.
You either want Ohio or you don't; we don't buy our students like MOH.
KC
Miami has the highest tuition in the state and charges nearly $17K in tuition and fees for out-of-staters. If that constitues "buying students," we probably ought to rethink the business model.
Cf. <a href='http://www.ohiou.edu/admissions/scholarships.html' target='_blank'>http://www.ohiou.edu/admissions/scholarships.html</a>
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DevilGrad Wrote:Miami has the highest tuition in the state and charges nearly $17K in tuition and fees for out-of-staters. If that constitues "buying students," we probably ought to rethink the business model.
Cf. <a href='http://www.ohiou.edu/admissions/scholarships.html' target='_blank'>http://www.ohiou.edu/admissions/scholarships.html</a>
We have scholarships for top students, but MOH offers better deals to those with over a 30 on the ACT. Thats how the buying works; MOH gives nice deals to top students, while it gouges the ordinary student. To make up for all of scholarships given out to top students, MOH charges a top buck to the regulars. What Ohio does is instead devoting all its resources to luring top students, it will give an good student with a 3.5 and 1250 SAT a one time award of 2,000 dollars to get them to show up in Athens. Miami would give that student nothing, and subsequently lose that student.
BTW, here is a great article on the Ohio research:
<a href='http://www.ohiou.edu/news/02-03/80.htmlx' target='_blank'>http://www.ohiou.edu/news/02-03/80.htmlx</a>
KC
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Miami would give that student nothing because, at Miami, that student would be a middle-of-the-road entering student. Miami doesn't have to make offers in that range to attract candidates. Nevertheless, Miami has an exceptionally high sophomore retention rate for a public school (90%) and a higher graduation rate than OU.
You had a good argument there. It's a shame the facts got in the way.
BTW, I agree with you, however, that at the top end, Miami price discounts to compete with Northwestern and the Ivies. Without resorting to anecdotal empiricism, let's just say that it works.
<a href='http://www.miami.muohio.edu/about_miami/quickfacts/index.cfm' target='_blank'>http://www.miami.muohio.edu/about_miami/qu...facts/index.cfm</a>
I agree with what your saying about Miami as to how they feel about a 3.5, 1250 student. Im just illustrating the difference in admission policies. The facts didn't get in the way. I know Miami has a 6 year retention rate of almost 80%. We do well at over 70% 6 year graduation rate, plus 85% sophmore retention rate. You do have a more selective student body and it should be expected.
My point was that the reason Miami has 25% of its student body at 29 or above on the ACT, while Ohio has only 25% at 27 or above has much more to do with student targeting, than a "halo effect". Of course having 10% more undergrads at Ohio makes it tougher too.
The brie jokes you and Dodo use are just a fantasy image of your school. And the hippie days are long gone in Athens.
KC
I am shocked -- utterly shocked -- that you think I would exaggerate stereotypes about someone's university for the purposes of adding humor to a football message board. :eek:
Others started making the brie jokes. The Miamians basically took a "what the hell, let's go with it" approach. (FWIW, I know more about the area surrounding Athens and the rural poverty therein than you or most of your fellow alums, but I'm forever a "brie-eater." Ah, well.)
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KC, why would you criticize a school for giving scholarships to top students? Scholarships can make a big difference in your school choice. In my case, I chose UT over OSU because UT offered me a bigger scholarship. Show me the money!