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WHYLO of the Week
"Hear ye Hear ye, WHYLO court is now in session. The honorable judge Flem, presiding. Be seated."
"All right, let's begin. I have read the statements from both parties regarding the behavior of this column's formerly beloved Lil' RedHawks of Miami University after a recent loss to Marshall and am here now to impose a WHYLO sentence. Let the record reflect that two Miami assistant coaches have been suspended from the program after one was charged with assaulting a fan and another confessed to trashing the coaches box after a recent last-second loss to Marshall."
"YOUR HONOR, PLEASE!"
"Defense counsel would you like to say something?"
"YOUR HONOR, forgive me for interrupting, but the fan was 36 years old! What is a grown man doing on the field celebrating after a win? Unruly fans storming fields after games is now a national issue. We have already pledged to repair the damage in the coaches' box. Besides, between you and me, we really got screwed by two late pass interference calls. Therefore I think the mitigating circumstances are
Hmmm.......seems that punishment is already being administered by the Miami administration (suspensions, etc).......what's been happening with Hill these days?
P.S. Your honor, if the court pleases let the record show that Flounder was not "celebrating" his team's victory as he found it more "enjoyable" to taunt 20 year old college student's after a devastating loss.
<!--EDIT|exCincy Kid|Nov 26 2002, 10:20 PM-->
Since Miami's season is over and Flem doesn't cover basketball, I pointed out to him that banning the RedHawks through the end of July is sort of like making someone sit out the spring game.
Boy, that really was some kind of punishment. I'd say it should keep the Miami coaches from decking some one for at least another ten years.
It's really good that we have the cradle of corporal punishment to use as a guide for all Marshall infractions, real and imagined.
What do you want to bet the pudgy d line coach keeps his job. Why not, it was Marshalls fault, right Monica.
Oh well, so much for doing the right thing, win at all costs[ oh thats right, since we joined the league, you guys haven't won]. Go Herd :wave:
Quote:It's really good that we have the cradle of corporal punishment to use as a guide for all Marshall infractions, real and imagined.
At least we see that wrongdoing at Miami carries consequences with it. Again, when will Stan Hill serve his suspension? The spring game? I'm sure Marshall Reynolds will let him work an extra shift to make up for it...
Did I miss some headlines? When was Stan Hill convicted? Oh, that's right!! We assume guilt here based on a story that runs in Huntington's Herald-Dispatch.
As far as I know, Hill claims he's innocent (unlike coach Johnson who admitted he trashed the press box) and ESPN cameras weren't rolling when during Stan's traffic violation (unlike that other Miami coach that smacked a 36-year-old lawyer in front of state police and a national television audience). Therefore, guilt isn't quite as conclusive.
That's the sound of a man...working on a chain....gang!!
I think he looks good in his new jewelry!!
Quote:When was Stan Hill convicted? Oh, that's right!! We assume guilt here based on a story that runs in Huntington's Herald-Dispatch.
So a suspension should be based on how widely circulated the story is or whether or not the cameras were rolling? Nice. So what you are saying is that people are innocent until proven guilty, unless a layman can see whatever he wants to see in a rorshach test of a long-shot video and pronounce immediate judgement.
Had the Miami coaches' incidents happened in Buffalo where there were no cameras rolling, I'm confident the Miami administration would have still suspended the offenders immediately pending the outcome of their investigation and punished them appropriately based on the findings of the investigation. If Hill had been caught on camera...well...based on the past actions of the Marshall administration and the attitude of their fans, I'm sure there are some windsprints he would be running or a spring game he would be sitting out...after challenging the news report. And the eyewitness accounts. And the police reports....
<!--EDIT|RedSteve|Nov 26 2002, 10:02 PM-->
And the 6 East Division trophies he could dust. Don't forget those!!
Steve:
I believe you mis-interpreted my post. First it's the almighty Miami code of ethics and now it's simply reading comprehension. What's next?
By the way, if my comprehension skills are up to snuff, it certainly appears you've convicted Mr. Hill and, to my knowledge, the only information that has been offered about his situation has come from the Herald-Dispatch.
Me? Just to make myself perfectly clear, I'm one of those innocent until proven guilty types.
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"Had the Miami coaches' incidents happened in Buffalo where there were no cameras rolling, I'm confident the Miami administration would have still suspended the offenders immediately pending the outcome of their investigation and punished them appropriately based on the findings of the investigation."
Miami would initiate an actual investigation? Sounds like a plan to me. Hmmm.... maybe Marshall should consider that for this Hill thing. Hmmmm.
As far as your opinion concerning Marshall's administration and its fans... suggest you save the sermons for the Miami coaching staff. :D :D :D
<!--EDIT|herdjinx|Nov 27 2002, 02:32 AM-->
Amazing that fans of one of the dirtiest renegade programs in all of football take such delight in taunting the fans of one of the classiest programs. Then again, what else would we expect from the sort of person who can look the other way so often so that their meager self-esteem can be boosted by the athletic prowess of overpaid thugs and criminals?
The dirtiest, renegade program in all of college football? Wow. Glad we overtook Alabama for that title. Unfortunately, the NCAA respectfully disagrees. Then again, we all know that Oddball's opinion is inviolate. (Of course, there is that slight difficulty he has with distinguishing opinion from fact but, what the hey).
Goffball,
You sound like Senator McCarthy, " there's communists everywhere". Just Like him, you will be shown to be the fraud you are.
Marshalls infractions, while actionable are small time. With the reems of NCAA rules, its like holding during a football game. You can call it on every play, you could find some actionable infraction in every program.
The sad thing is that this is all you have as a way to participate in a football forum. Hey mr. one trick pony, Marshall is a superior football team to all others in the MAC, we have shown it for 6 years and will continue to show it. The time and effort you spend trashing MU makes me think you have no life, or job.
Now get back to your photo shop and come up with some more cute slams regarding the Herd
MAKO Wrote:The dirtiest, renegade program in all of college football? Wow. Glad we overtook Alabama for that title. Unfortunately, the NCAA respectfully disagrees. Then again, we all know that Oddball's opinion is inviolate. (Of course, there is that slight difficulty he has with distinguishing opinion from fact but, what the hey).
MAKO: Reading comprehension, please.
Herdon: You're as ignorant as your name would imply.
Three times Marshall has been cited with major infractions. Not mistakes, but willful cheating. They employ thugs and criminals and sweep their misdeeds under the rug. They have been kicked out of the conference once before for their cheating ways, and would have been again if Chryst had any scruples. They have been cited by a major, national publication as one of the most (note the "one of", Mako?) corrupt programs in the country. Exactly what do you dispute in these facts?
As for your alleged superiority, do I really need to toss some scores at you? Scores from games where you played teams that weren't cheating to gain a competitive edge?
I'm in no way saying that what those couple Miami coaches did was right, but at least Miami doesn't habitually cheat to win. Anyone that saw the Marshall/Miami game on TV knows that the refs handed you the game. You may win the MAC every year but I'm not impressed because you have to cheat to do it. Miami, not Matshall, should be hosting the MAC Championship. Nothing a Marshall fan says about bad sportsmanship means anything. I mean, that's like the pot calling the kettle black. If there were any justice in the world Marshall would once again get kicked out of the MAC, and never be allowed to join again, and they should have to forfeit all of their MAC titles and bowl game wins. Marshall can diss any MAC team they want but at least none of the other MAC teams cheat to win. Marshall has a long way to go before they have won as many MAC titles as Miami or Bowling Green, so I guess you will have to pay off a lot more refs to come close to leading the MAC in the number of MAC titles won.
Yawn... Yeah we're cheaters. It's all a conspiracy.
In fact, the whole working in the shadows is having a real impact on the university and the football program. Instead of Marco the buffalo, our new on-field mascot is going to be a guy in a trenchcoat. Hell, he may even work the refs, cops, time officials and of course TV network employees and personalities.
Well, actually it's between the trenchcoat, secret agent guy and some mafioso-lookin dude. In either event, with the "buttplug" around, we have no worries of fielding the worst mascot.
Certainly no photos exist that may support the ref calls made at the end of the Miami game. You know, ones showing the Miami defensive back pulling the jersey of the Marshall receiver. You're right not to put any faith in those. They could be part of the conspiracy as well.
<!--EDIT|herdjinx|Nov 27 2002, 02:39 PM-->
And the NCAA has never called you cheaters, either. We made that up because we hate hilljacks.
Just love that ignore button. The only problem is that gawd-awful devil picture still remains. It's pretty appropo though - you know the devil showing up on all of Oddball's posts.
I guess I though Hill was arrested, just like Wauford. Wasn't he charged with something like resisting arrest (which would mean that an officer present was charging him?). No, he hasn't been convicted as of yet, nor has Wauford, but Wauford has already been suspended with more to come after the trial. As for Hill........he just keeps on playing. Note the difference?
Also, no Miami fan I know of condoned Wauford's actions, (in fact, a number on Hawktalk have called for his "head"), but I find it kind of absurb that many keep portryaing Flounder as if he was some "average Joe" fan merely trying to "celebrate" the Herd's victory in the middle of the beaten (under the most trying circumstances) and departing Miami players and coaches. The guy's obviously a jerk and everyone here knows it.