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NY Times story angers officials

Article claims football attendance was miscounted


Mike Gardner
Daily Kent Stater

A New York Times reporter said Kent State is miscounting its football attendance. Kent State officials said he was lying.

Laing Kennedy, Kent State's athletic director, said the article's author, Jayson Blair, never even contacted the university about how the school counts its football attendance.

"It's full of inaccuracies," Kennedy said. "It's totally irresponsible and not true. It infuriates me."

Neither Blair nor various editors at The New York Times could be reached for comments after numerous attempts.

The story says the university has sponsored tailgating parties and counted those packed on flatbed trucks and sitting on lawn chairs in the parking lot as being in attendance.

In one version of the article, Blair quotes Pete Mahoney, associate athletic director who oversees marketing, as saying, "We are going to do it until someone tells us to stop." In another version of the article, the same quote was attributed to "one Kent State official."

"I never saw the article," Mahoney said. "I got a phone call after it ran. Those are not my quotes.

"We're not very happy, especially about some comments that were made. 'Flatbed trucks' never came out of my mouth. My whole objective is to get people in the stands. The gate revenue is very important."

Kennedy backed-up Mahoney's comment, stating attendance numbers are accurately reported based on people coming through the turnstiles at Dix Stadium.

"We are not free and easy with the NCAA," Kennedy said. "They are very clear on how to count attendance. We don't count tailgaters. We don't count people on flatbed trucks, and we don't count people in lawn chairs."

There are certain NCAA stipulations Division IA schools must meet to still be considered Division IA. A school must have 90 percent of its scholarships occupied, must sponsor 16 sports (six of them men's) and must have 200 scholarships. The final stipulation -- averaging 15,000 people per home game against Division IA opponents -- is still being decided upon. Kennedy said the rule has been referred to the NCAA board of directors and, if passed, will go into effect Aug. 1, 2004.

This stipulation is what concerns the university. In 2001, it was about 8,000 people short of the proposed standard, but numbers are creeping up. In 2002 it averaged 11,447 people -- a hike of close to 90 percent.

Ramifications of not meeting the requirements have not yet been settled on by the NCAA, but the ramifications for the university could be huge.

To be a full-fledged member of the Mid-American Conference, the school must sponsor football, volleyball, baseball, softball and men's and women's basketball at a Division IA status. If the football program is dropped to IAA, Kent State would lose all its MAC membership.

The athletic department is working on new and innovative marketing ideas to put more people in the stands at football games. While Kennedy admitted winning is the best way to boost attendance, he said there are ways of encouraging more participation. Mahoney said the marketing department wants to reach out more to the community and to the students. Kennedy is looking at some schedule changes in order to not directly compete with larger football powerhouses like Ohio State.

"We need to be proactive and get creative and get rid of the sacred cow that Kent State football has to be played on Saturday at 2 p.m."

Kennedy said he wants to play more games on Thursdays and Fridays and make some of the game times later in the evening.


I don't see how this could pad the attendence any more than a couple hundred for the season. If they want to do a good job pading the attendence they should just make up number. It worked for Toledo 03-wink



<!--EDIT|FunkmasterFlash|Dec 6 2002, 04:47 PM-->
Looks like the Flashes will have to play Horizon B-Ball in 2005.

KC
The Horizon conf has been kicking the MAC's ass this year so far... :rolleyes:
We really know why Kit-Kat would like to see Kent State in another conference. Get used to it. With your high paid coach who can not coach, you do not have a chance to win the MAC even without KSU to block your way. 03-lol
KSU fans, why is there no support for Flash Football? The Men's Hoops gets their fare share when it comes to attendance figures, granted the actual product is on a whole 'nother level than the gridironers. That shows me there are people that care about KSU athletics... Why don't they bother to show up for football games now and again?

Is dropping the sport actually being considered as an option? Would KSU become the MAC's Marquette or DePaul?
MylesKnight Wrote:KSU fans, why is there no support for Flash Football? The Men's Hoops gets their fare share when it comes to attendance figures, granted the actual product is on a whole 'nother level than the gridironers. &nbsp;That shows me there are people that care about KSU athletics... Why don't they bother to show up for football games now and again?

Is dropping the sport actually being considered as an option? &nbsp;Would KSU become the MAC's Marquette or DePaul?
People do not follow Flash football because they have won 1 championship in the school's history and been to 1 real bowl game, both in 1972. Not to mention that they have only rarely even been competitive. I don't even want to count the number of 0,1, or 2 win seasons.

NE Ohio also closely follows successful high school football, pro football, and Ohio A&M. Not to mention the DIII programs are excellent at Mount Union and John Carroll.

People want a winner...very simple.

As for dropping, who knows, but I doubt it?



<!--EDIT|The Flash|Dec 7 2002, 06:36 PM-->
[The athletic department is working on new and innovative marketing ideas to put more people in the stands at football games]

...They are? That's news to me. I live in NE Ohio, and read the Cleveland, AKron and Canton papers. I also listen to the radio and watch the TV, and I never heard anything promoting the games. I have ranted about this before, the marketing department at KSU is horrible!

Case an point:

There is a home basketball game today that I will not be able to attend, but can I watch it on TV? No. I have to listen to the telephone quality radio broadcast on WNIR. It pains me to think that this is how the University is treating on e of the Eight best B-Ball programs of the last year.

GO FLASHES!!!!
Right now, I am listening to the godawful Real Audio broadcast off of WNIR that cuts in and out and sounds half the time like a 70's style synthesizer concert. I hope to catch about 20% of the action.
The Flashes are on Fox Ohio 5 times this year and ESPN once, plus a half dozen more games on cable around Kent, which I am way too far away to get.
And we are probably on more than anyone else in the MAC. :crying:



<!--EDIT|axeme|Dec 7 2002, 02:20 PM-->
I am just glas that Bill Needle calls a better basketball game then he does football. I remember listening to Steve Sefner over the last several years and thinking that nobody could be worse. I was wrong. It is kind of sad when our games have the same broadcast quality as the NAIA and D-III teams on the radio in the area.
Not to mention the hose job they get from the Cleveland TV media. I turn on Channel 3 news at 6 to get the score and maybe a highlight.

I GET NEITHER! THIS TEAM WENT TO THE ELITE 8 IN THE NCAA AND THE CLEVELAND MEDIA CAN'T GET A SCORE OR SEND A CREW FOR THE GAME. F*^K THEM! :mad:

Yeah, I care about the Lakers/Mavs game. How about some pointless NASCAR drivel they had on. They really need to get off of their asses and go out and cover something. 03-banghead

That said the KSU athletic dept probably forgot to tell anyone there was a game today anyway... 03-confused



<!--EDIT|The Flash|Dec 8 2002, 12:33 AM-->
Do they even have a marketing director? Last time I checked, that position was open. When they let Steve Sefner go, he was the marketing director also, the position had not been filled. The University created no buzz around the basketball team over the summer. Now they are paying for it with subpar crowds.
Face it: unless you are an alumnist, the fact that this is an elite 8 team is not close to the top of your mind. Many people have forgotten about that run already.
I had to listen to part of the first half of the game Sat. as I was coming to the game from a trip to the airport, and I agree, our broadcast does not sound good. What is really depressing, is that no one can logically follow the game with Needle's explanations. He is NOT a play by play announcer. Please, someone do something.

BTW, get ready for tourney time again. We can be that good.
I really liked the way they were able to win without Gates scoring a ton. Eric Haut appears to be coming into his own and Haynes..wow. He's a true freshman? This team will be reckoned with come tourney time. They have a winning attitude and want to make a tradition here!

Now, if only the AD would figure out how to handle the damn situation and get them some pub. Less than 5k a game is ridiculous!
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