For piling on so nicely after a horrendous defeat. You Marshall people bi+ched when people ridiculed you for your performance against VaTech. Not me. I kept my mouth shut. You were outclassed, but had a shot. And the rest of you, having such a great time piling on with your "thanks" for "embarassing" the conference...you're welcome. Glad we could get to a bowl when you couldn't.
Toledo played possibly it's worst game of the year tonight. It was ugly all the way around. BC is that much faster at almost every position. For instance, in our defense, the ILBs are often expected to drop into pass coverage (as Marshall knows!), and they're not quick enough to cover WRs. BCs are, and did.
Jones put the ball on the turf 3 times and threw 4 picks (could have been more) trying to force the action and make plays. Against anyone in the MAC, he gets away with most of those.
You're all having a great time piling on to Kaczur for getting ejected. Please tell me why the guy who STARTED that whole thing didn't get tossed too. Or any of the other 10 people involved. As for the ejection for the hit out of bounds...the penalty was a good call. The ejection was garbage.
This was a very difficult game for all of us fans, and I'm sure more so for the players. We all appreciate your "support" and "concern" for us. :mad:
Karl,
You are absolutely right...we have way too many folks on here that get enjoyment out of the failures of others.
I know 12 MAC teams that couldn't earn the honor to compete in a bowl game this year and therefore have no right to gripe.
As for the other MAC bowl team, it seems our fans have forgotten our last game vs the Big East and the moronic 'you
embarrassed the MAC' crap that we saw on here.
No doubt Toledo left their 'A' game in Ohio tonight and that was unfortuneate. Their gangster actions on the field were
even more unfortuneate. BUT, how many folks before the season even gave UT so much as a thought after winning the MAC
and MCB last year?
Overall it was an overachieving year for the Rockets (in comparison to most preseason prognostications)...and it has been one
in which the Rockets did themselves and the MAC proud.
Go Herd!
Go MAC!
Listen Karl. I stand by you. Boston College was pretty good and I don't think anyone in our conference could have won against them tonight. Personally I think Kaczur has a damn good upper cut. Most athletes (especially basketball players) look like wimps when they start throwing punches. At least Kaczur knows how to stick a punch in the soft spot. I think there was probably some taunting going on that the viewers can't hear or see. As well as pride. I don't think many viewers would have watched that game and thought that the MAC was any more thuggish than any other conference. The Hawaii Cincinnatti fight was a brawl. This was just a skirmish between college kids.
I still don't get how teams can be so different on different nights. UCF scared the heck out of Penn and lost 27-24. I would think by that example that Toledo would have shown better against BC. And for all of you Marshall fans who are going to yell about comparing scores. I think most of the crowd here understands my point and acknowledges it. Flame suit on.
While I can appreciate and understand your feelings regarding tonights debacle, please explain the difference in your loss to BC and the Marshall loss to VT as well as the remarks made after last years MACC when Toledo managed to defeat Marshall. The shoe is now on the other foot..that is the only difference as far as most can see. But in the two instances regarding a Marshall defeat the Toledo boards lit up like a Christmas tree with negative responses and post. Many of us were actually wanting to see Toledo defeat BC, well it didnt happen so we all lost (everyone in the MAC)
But to end the post I fail to see any difference in the response from Marshall fans in regard to the responses from the Toledo fans when Marshall was the one having difficulties..
GO HERD
MARSHALl 77
Seriously ..I really was hoping that Toledo would defeat BC, a BCS win would have been nice
As I stated in my original post, I wasn't one of those "you embarassed all of us" folks.
Now then...I was on the 35 yd line for the game. Frankly, I couldn't see Kaczur throwing those punches. I think the ref was between us. But I've seen it on ESPN several times now (and I intend to watch my tape of the game, painful as it will be), and I'm bothered A LOT by the repeated punches. The replays you all may have seen on tv didn't end up on the stadium screen, so we didn't get that view. What I thought I saw was a BC player make the first shove and it went to hell from there. Kaczur's punching happened a good time after it all started. The refs had no choice but to throw him out.
Someone disagreed that the hit by Dodrill on the QB out of bounds "wasn't that late". I thought that originally too. Shoulda been a 15 yarder and that's it. But it WAS that late. He could have pulled up. And if the game hadn't threatened to get out of hand earlier, it probably would have only been the 15 yards. But the refs went to the locker rooms at halftime, I understand, and warned them. No way Dodrill was gonna get away with that without getting tossed.
Four personal fouls against UT in this one. And they didn't even call the head-butt on David Gardner (against the guy that had his helmet knocked off). I defended Gardner on his hit against Leftwich, but no way I can condone that one. That looked like an attempt to injure. Totally unacceptable.
And just in case you didn't notice...I was a bit frustrated when I got home last night, and it only got worse when I checked the boards and found the attacks (please refer to
http://www.toledorockets.com for examples). My reactions were a little emotional (kinda like the players, but without the uppercut).
Kazur is a former Hockey player. His punches and attitude reflected his roots, I guess.
The officials probably should have tried to get a handle on the game a little earlier, but Nick deserved to be ejected. There was a lot of pushing and shoving, but his punches were as obvious as they were well executed. The ejection of Dodrill, unless there was more to it than was apparent, seemed unwarranted to me. That was a foul, and got deserved the 15. But that's it, imo.
Oddball Wrote:Kazur is a former Hockey player. His punches and attitude reflected his roots, I guess.
The officials probably should have tried to get a handle on the game a little earlier, but Nick deserved to be ejected. There was a lot of pushing and shoving, but his punches were as obvious as they were well executed. The ejection of Dodrill, unless there was more to it than was apparent, seemed unwarranted to me. That was a foul, and got deserved the 15. But that's it, imo.
I think that like Karl said, the players were warned that anymore of it would result in ejection. They must have felt the late hit was flagrant enough that it was intentional. I wouldn't want to make that call, but I guess they needed to stick by their guns.
RE: my earlier post suggesting you check the posts on
http://www.toledorockets.com.....never mind. Mark already removed them, and all the replies to them.
Karl,
I can assure you that nothing but good things have come out of my mouth sincce your lost last night. I was pulling for you to come back and win all night and after the lost I tried to focus on the postives that came out of last night. Here is what I have come up with.
1. This is the 2nd or 3rd loss that a MAC team has had since the MAC expanded to an east and a west dvision, something ALL MAC teams should be proud of.
2. Toledo, a MAC team, outdrew Boston College, A Big East team. That is something that Toledo and their fans should be very proud of.
3. Toledo played tough all night against a very tough Boston College team that beat Notre Dame, another thing Toledo and their fans should be proud of.
4. At least Toledo got a chance to go to a bowl game while other teams, who thought they deserved a chance to go to a bowl game, had to sit home. Toledo did what they had to do to get to a bowl game and that is also something to be proud of.
I feel it is time to start the healing instead of rubbing more salt in the wounds. The players feel terrible about their loss last night so why make them feel even worse by kicking them while they are down?
Kaczur had to be ejected immediately. The TV view showed the first punch perfectly and also showed the ref directly behind him throwing his flag immediately upon seeing the punch. No matter who started the shoving, you don't throw punches or you will be tossed.
Dodrill's ejection was bullcrap. 15 yards, yes. Seemingly low class, yes. But hardly worth an ejection - he didn't go for his head, his knees, facemask, or anything, he just hit him late. It was more stupid than anything.
I still don't know what they called Ward for, on the personal foul when he was on the pile.
My negative comments were largely from the gut and made at halftime, but what bothered me most was :
1) the undisciplined play, especially the punches and an oob hit that was quite late. The QB was already two steps oob, and the UT guy lowered his helmet and "brought it." On TV, this was quite obvious, especially on the replay.
2) Toledo bringing it's "F" game, at least on defense, to an important game (poor tackling, missed assignments, etc).
3) The fact that BC played with much more desire, IMO. That's a little hard to understand, playing a good opponent in a bowl game and in front of a noisy, mostly-partisan crowd.
Mistakes by the "baby backs" were more understandable (first bowl game and all that), as was the PF penalty on one of UT's OL guys (may not have heard the whistle in time).
About the fight: my initial thought was that one guy from each team would be ejected, but Kaczur was the only guy to throw a punch (and he threw at least three). One BC player was shoving and had to be restrained by a teammate, but that doesn't automatically warrant an ejection. I never saw what actually started the ruckus, so it could have been trash-talk, combined with physical play near the goal line.
Positives were already mentioned above, but IMO:
1) attendance
2) UT's offense did pretty well against a physical defense.
3) Ford's record-setting performance, despite a mild injury. I hope the NFL gives him a long look. Jones too although I have a feeling he'll be Arena- or CFL-bound, at least initially.
Rocket stinks. herd stinks.
but what really makes me angry is when some dolt quotes Katherine Hepburn on this board.
Rocket stinks. herd stinks.
but what really makes me angry is when some dolt quotes Katherine Hepburn on this board. WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU, DUDE!!!!!!!
Or Huskie Dan,
maybe your the only one who thinks he is for real. But by reading your past posts, you know way more then everyone else.
I don't think a bobble head would have helped him, maybe playing for a real team would be a good place to start.
Herdon Wrote:Or Huskie Dan,
maybe your the only one who thinks he is for real. But by reading your past posts, you know way more then everyone else.
I don't think a bobble head would have helped him, maybe playing for a real team would be a good place to start.
Ahhhhh, we have a ******$ucker......should have known with such a brilliantly clever screen name like "Herdon". Oh, look at me, I made a dick joke, aren't I smart.....dip****** :saber:
OHIO FOOTBALL Wrote:Rocket stinks. herd stinks.
but what really makes me angry is when some dolt quotes Katherine Hepburn on this board. WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU, DUDE!!!!!!!
Only thing wrong with me is reading junk from OHIO FOOTBALL (that has got to be one of the best oxymorons I've ever seen!!!)