Haddix is 6-1 190 and one of te best qb's I have seen at this level.He throws the ball a mile and on a dime, and he is like a runningback when it comes to running the ball.He plays safety on defesne and is a force on that side of the ball aslso.
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I don't know if too many folks here have the ear of anyone at their favorite university. Send some video tape around. BSU and WMU would be good starts.
DrTorch Wrote:I don't know if too many folks here have the ear of anyone at their favorite university. Send some video tape around. BSU and WMU would be good starts.
I talked to the coach at Ball State and they have their qb already signed.
dallasinohio Wrote:DrTorch Wrote:I don't know if too many folks here have the ear of anyone at their favorite university. Send some video tape around. BSU and WMU would be good starts.
I talked to the coach at Ball State and they have their qb already signed.
Well, virtually every MAC team can use a QB in the near future. Personally, I don't buy the "we've signed a QB". That's a smoke-screen to say they don't want to be bothered, or to prove that they are already signing top talent. (Check the MAC's OOC record, does it seem as if they are signing top talent?) BSU having a new coach only makes it worse.
That's why you need to send a video tape. Make sure it's got the best highlights first, and give the best quality footage possible. Include box scores from the guy's best games in the package. Make everything as easy to read as possible.
Have the coach make a personal phone call to a university. If this doesn't get very far have the coach call a friend for a favor; this is an old-boy network, the coach should know someone who knows someone...finally getting the ear of someone at a university.
In the meantime, have the kid look at college catalogues. Where would he like to attend? What's the best place for him? (What does he want to major in? What industries are available in the region? Where would he like to live? etc.) He'll play better if he's happy, that's vital to maximize his chances at achieving his goals. If he gets injured or doesn't do well? He wants to be at a university he likes for more than football.
How many times do you think coaches receive phone calls that start "hey, this kid is a real player."
The coaches do their research. Just cause someone says this kid (or any other kid) has a future, doesn't mean he really does (at least for this audience). No offense, cause I have no idea about this particular kid, but the coaches jobs are to evaluate talent - I tend to leave it to them.
HuskieDan Wrote:The coaches do their research. No offense, cause I have no idea about this particular kid, but the coaches jobs are to evaluate talent - I tend to leave it to them.
I'm not sure about this. Like you said, coaches are innundated w/ calls about "this kid can play". Coaches tend to go w/ who they know...and often to play it safe, taking a kid who, "is fair but might develop"
on recommendation as opposed to a "true gem" who comes from a region a coach doesn't know.
To be honest, I don't think MAC coaches hustle enough to find the gems that are around.
For the kid it involves networking...this can appear daunting, but isn't as impossible as it seems. It also may involve taking a year as a walk-on to prove himself. That's humbling, but a year invested at a state school isn't a big cost, plenty of people do it w/o the prospect of an athletic scholarship.
I can't believe you're calling MAC coaches lazy. :rolleyes:
How many MAC players were top flight, All-American type recruits? MAC coaches have to work harder at talent evaluation than most BCS conference teams, as they have a tougher sell.
Your comment about coaches going with what they know is correct and IMO not a big deal - so you might miss an occasional opportunity, but what do you think the percentage of those situations are missed opportunities and which are overvalued by those doing that valuing?
NIU's QB this year, Josh Haldi, wasn't on our radar as we don't really recruit Ohio, but he was suggested to us by an Ohio MAC team's coaching staff that stopped recruiting him. NIU's 1st team All-MAC CB Randee Drew was a walkon from Wisconsin. 1st team All-MAC LB Larry Williams was a walkon from Chicago. I don't know about your guys, but our coaches work their butts off to find the diamonds. And I also know that our guys have done a great job evaluating talent - no one recruited Michael Turner because he played wingback in a funky offense in HS. We took a flier, and I'd say it paid off.
HuskieDan Wrote:I can't believe you're calling MAC coaches lazy. :rolleyes:
How many MAC players were top flight, All-American type recruits? MAC coaches have to work harder at talent evaluation than most BCS conference teams, as they have a tougher sell.
NIU's 1st team All-MAC CB Randee Drew was a walkon from Wisconsin. 1st team All-MAC LB Larry Williams was a walkon from Chicago. I don't know about your guys, but our coaches work their butts off to find the diamonds. And I also know that our guys have done a great job evaluating talent - no one recruited Michael Turner because he played wingback in a funky offense in HS. We took a flier, and I'd say it paid off.
The plural of anecdotes is not 'data'.
Some of these examples just show how coaches got "lucky" w/ their walk-ons...if coaches were working so hard why weren't they recruited w/ scholarships?
Maybe some blossomed in college, but they still are NOT good examples of coaches working. Walk-ons are gifts to a program, the antithesis of coaches doing research.
As for Turner, you seem to be agreeing with me (which is always the smart choice). It's exactly what I've been saying...take chances on productive players instead of playing it safe.
I refuse to simply "agree" with someone that sounds as though he has absolutely no concept of what the recruiting process is like. It is this kind of uninformed criticism that has coaches and players across America shaking their heads.
Just because a recruit invited to take a visit is not offered a scholarship (at least not during the recruiting process) it does not mean that he is not being recruited, evaluated or is not invited to come to school. Randee Drew was an invited walkon, as was Larry Williams. Larry had grade issues in school that scared some people off him, but we stuck with him and it paid off.
Your "point" about Michael Turner is solid, but the example you quote is wrong - Michael Turner was not terribly productive from what I understand - the coaches have said that occasionally he would flash something but that he didn't get the ball enough to say "Wow, we HAVE to have this kid". But the coaches saw something they liked and yes, took a chance. This is good evaluation just like inviting Randee Drew as a walkon was good evaluation. It helped that Drew didn't have another offer, yes, but that doesn't mean the coaches didn't do a good job as you suggest.
Walkons are generally a lot more calculated than you believe - sure, there may be occasional complete surprises that show up from nowhere and impress, but the majority of walkons are invited by the coaches and they aren't initially offered a scholarship due to the numbers game.
Seriously - understand the game and how it's played before you rip those playing it for doing so poorly and without hustle.
HuskieDan Wrote:I refuse to simply "agree" with someone that sounds as though he has absolutely no concept of what the recruiting process is like. It is this kind of uninformed criticism that has coaches and players across America shaking their heads.
How many "walk on" positions did NIU offer to kids who instead took scholarships at WIU?
Yeah, those NIU folks are really tearing up the local recruiting.
Guess I'm too dumn to know how the system works.
The Nebraska and KansasSt programs of classic examples of how a strong perfered walk-on program can make a tremendous difference. Sometimes a school isn't offering that many scholarships at a particular position for the year and a otherwise qualified recruit could miss out on a scholarship from his school of choice. So, while capable of going to another school, the player will walk-on in hopes of landing a scholarship for the next season.
KC
Kit-Cat Wrote:The Nebraska and KansasSt programs of classic examples of how a strong perfered walk-on program can make a tremendous difference. Sometimes a school isn't offering that many scholarships at a particular position for the year and a otherwise qualified recruit could miss out on a scholarship from his school of choice. So, while capable of going to another school, the player will walk-on in hopes of landing a scholarship for the next season.
KC
Don't try facts and logic, KitCat, Dr. Torch is obviously all knowing and is able to judge coach's recruiting all by himself with his own ambiguous set of criteria.
Torch - did you go to MIT and develop these criteria all by yourself.
Seriously, Torch, you're just bein' stupid. But I expect little else from you anymore. You obviously don't have a PhD in football.
Huskie DAn,
in one of your above posts you state something to the fact that you can not agree with someone that has absolutely no concept of what the recuritiing process is. Well how about someone that has no clue about who a quality player is. Sure Michale whatever is good but come on.
Is it possible that the big media types know a little more about top notch athletes then you, you homer loving, internet posting cry baby.
Michael what ever is not and never will be a star to the national media, nomatter how bad you want it. He certiantly is not Heisman quality, regardless of what his stats are or how much you want him to be.
He plays for a loser team with loser posters like you that waste our time with this constant whinning.
Dude, get over it, no one, I mean no one respects him outside of your directional school, well maybe some of the other wannabees on this board will come to your defense, but not the people that really know. So keep trying to fool your self and put your cute stats at the bottom. He, like your team is still a loser, not on the national radar.
[On second thought, you're too damn stupid to merit a response.]
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At least we are getting somewhere, you left off that pitiful tag at the bottom, maybe you are starting to see the light. Self actualization is a wonderful thing. ask doctor Phil.
Herdon Wrote:At least we are getting somewhere, you left off that pitiful tag at the bottom, maybe you are starting to see the light. Self actualization is a wonderful thing. ask doctor Phil.
Unlike self-realization, like when
you are sitting at home (cause you don't have a job) watching Dr. Phil (cause you don't have a life) and you look down at the puny little d*** in your hand......and come to the realization that no matter how big you talk on some internet message board, it doesn't change the fact that
you are actually the loser, the one whose only lot in life is to cling to the tainted accomplishments of a crooked, renegade program with no regard for the rules. God forbid you actually accomplish something yourself to give you this superiority complex, you twit.
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oh my God, i got the wrong person, dg you are just as bad, well maybe not, oh well, who has my beer.
Well you only got one thing right, and I won't tell which one that was. But I have two kids so I guess it really dosen't matter. I must have hit a nerve. By the way, why are you posting all day long when you should be working, welfare must me a good thing.
Quote:Michael what ever is not and never will be a star to the national media, nomatter how bad you want it. He certiantly is not Heisman quality, regardless of what his stats are or how much you want him to be.
He plays for a loser team with loser posters like you that waste our time with this constant whinning.
Dude, get over it, no one, I mean no one respects him outside of your directional school, well maybe some of the other wannabees on this board will come to your defense, but not the people that really know.
This was a productive post, Herdon.
Are you drunk?
Don't allow him to blame his ignorance and stupidity on alcohol.