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When you have a campus with no selectivity in admissions, and admins like Geiger who are thugs behind a desk...doesn't this just follow?

Summit addresses riotous behavior at Ohio State U.

By Bekah McCurdy & Ted Williams The Lantern

(U-WIRE) COLUMBUS, Ohio -- Following a number of disturbances during and after sporting events in the past few months, the topic of fan behavior at college sporting events has brought to the national level.

Ohio State President Karen A. Holbrook, Athletics Director Andy Geiger and Mayor Michael B. Coleman traveled to Dallas Thursday for the Sportsmanship and Fan Behavior Summit.

The three met as part of a newly-formed coalition which oversees collegiate athletics. Sportsmanship, fan behavior and celebratory riots are some topics the panel discussed.


The conference included commissioners from all NCAA Division I conferences, stemming from an annual meeting of NCAA football. Geiger said several representatives from every athletic conference were in attendance and included officials such as university presidents, student affairs representatives, athletic directors and media.

Many colleges and universities in North Carolina, Ohio, Oklahoma and Washington are struggling with the problem of celebratory riots and other disturbances following college games.

The Sportsmanship and Fan Behavior Summit came together with hopes of having a broader discussion on celebratory riots.

"This has become a problem nationwide, and we want to see what other cities are doing to address the issue," said Mike Brown, spokesman for Coleman.

Holbrook outlined the scope of "celebratory riots" Thursday, saying, "These riots are fueled by the excessive use of alcohol, and Ohio State is not alone in experiencing them. At Ohio State and in Columbus, we have some of the best minds working on trying to solve this problem, and we plan to share what we learn with others in the country."

Before the OSU-Michigan game, Holbrook addressed the issue of inappropriate fan behavior and the possible negative effects it could have on the academic strengths of the university. Holbrook and the Office of Student Affairs asked students and fans to be responsible and show respect when celebrating.

Geiger said Holbrook was correct in addressing fan behavior.

"There's a fundamental climate of disrespect that is pervasive in our society," he said. "While we have made great progress in encouraging good sportsmanship on the part of our players, we have not carried the same message to our fans."

Geiger said he was eager to address the problems following the Michigan game, alcohol consumption and the way people were treated.

"Michigan and Penn State fans were treated poorly by our fans when they were here. However, Washington State fans commented how nice we were -- there's obviously differential behavior," Geiger said. "Our fans aren't so nice when we play other Big Ten teams."

He attributes it to alcohol, a lack of respect and an absence of good sportsmanship among fans.

Geiger also criticized beer commercials that pay for sports telecasts and are televised during sporting events, saying they encourage "rowdy behavior, in one instance even rioting, and are at best very disrespectful of women. The number and themes of beer commercials during our games causes me to wonder why we are surprised at the amount of beer consumed and the boorish behavior caused by the drunkenness that results."

Coleman agrees with Holbrook that correcting fan behavior will take time.

"The only solution is a community solution that engages all stakeholders, all residents and all our resources to prevent the violence from occurring in the first place," he said.

Coleman said celebratory riots are disrupting the quality of life and jeopardizing safety in the campus area neighborhood, as well as tarnishing the image of the city of Columbus, Ohio. He also said riots have been detrimental to the city's fiscal and human resources.

"The personnel overtime for our police officers, firefighters and public service staff has hit us hard," Coleman said.

Geiger said strong enforcement will help control the rioting crowd, but universities need to implement programs for athletic fans that will engage them in sportsmanship, mutual respect, respect for the opposition and a concept of what a true team is all about.

Coleman was asked to speak in Dallas by the NCAA because of his position as mayor of Columbus and being a co-chairman with Holbrook on the task force in Columbus. Coleman said a task force report will provide new research action steps for the Columbus community.
Should Bowling Green win Sept. 20, I'm certain I'll be in fear for my life.



<!--EDIT|RochesterFalcon|Feb 24 2003, 09:28 AM-->
RochesterFalcon Wrote:Should Bowling Green win Sept. 20, I'm certain I'll be in fear for my life.
I'll be there regareless...was there in '92 and '97.

I remember most OSU fans (not students) were very cordial and complemented us on BG's performance (we came very close to winning in '92). The students were another story....most were classless @ssholes that thought OSU was the ONLY school in the world worthwhile.

On Sept. 20th...in Ctown. IF BG pulls this one off, I plan on walking straight out of the Shoe, over to the BG locker room area and celebrating there. Somehow I just don't trust the majority of students there.

GO FALCONS!!!!!! 04-cheers
Falconfreak90 Wrote:[QUOTE=RochesterFalcon,Feb 24 2003, 02:28 PM]

I remember most (home team) fans (not students) were very cordial and complemented us on (my team here) performance (we came very close to winning in '(year)). The students were another story....most were classless @ssholes that thought (home team) was the ONLY school in the world worthwhile.
Couldn't this be a mad-lib for about everywhere you go.


FWIW, the students usually aren't the ones who initiate riots in Cbus (at least not in my years there). Usually some local talent comes around and gets it going and a very smal minority of the participants are actually students.

Unfortunately for one of my former 4-Hers, she was caught as "picture child" by the Columbus Dispatch for one of the riots a few years ago. She was in a group of people with a beer in her hand as a car was being flipped. She wasn't involved but was underage and drinking and on the cover of the largest newspaper in Ohio. It was not a good call home to the family to warn them.
"Geiger said strong enforcement will help control the rioting crowd, but universities need to implement programs for athletic fans that will engage them in sportsmanship, mutual respect, respect for the opposition and a concept of what a true team is all about."

Who will tell OSU what these concepts are?
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Quote: Geiger also criticized beer commercials that pay for sports telecasts and are televised during sporting events, saying they encourage "rowdy behavior, in one instance even rioting, and are at best very disrespectful of women. The number and themes of beer commercials during our games causes me to wonder why we are surprised at the amount of beer consumed and the boorish behavior caused by the drunkenness that results." [I]

Yep, that's what it is. It's Madison Avenue's fault. Don't lay blame at the feet of those responsible. Pathetic. What a shining example this clown sets. No wonder the fans there are out of control (besides the obvious fact that well, it is Ohio Sate...what else would you expect?).
[QUOTE]When you have a campus with no selectivity in admissions, and admins like Geiger who are thugs behind a desk...doesn't this just follow?
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03-lol Are you kidding??? BG folks questioning admissions standards?? Seriously, you are extremely miguided. You might want to compare the stats of the recent freshman classes at OSU vs. BGSU. This isn't the OSU of the Seventies and Eighties......

Moving on, anyone familiar with the OSU campus would tell you the source of the problem. The University and city got into bed with a developer a few years ago to build this "Gateway" project. Basically, a re-design of the commercial areas around campus. First thing you do is close all the bars the kids would frequent. Then, you knock the buildings down that held the bars, eliminating any chance of another bar opening. Now, 5-10 years later, the south High Street area is a ghost town. Face it, every big campus is chaotic on a football Saturday. Take away all the places that controlled the chaos (i.e. college bars), this is what happens. House parties become street parties. Street parties become block parties. And block parties become "riots".....

I know it's commonplace to bash tOAMU here, and I usually smirk and move on. This just gets me everytime.

Looking forward the BG game......Akron and KSU the last two years were some of my favorite games of the respective seasons. See you September...

[QUOTE][Geiger said strong enforcement will help control the rioting crowd, but universities need to implement programs for athletic fans that will engage them in sportsmanship, mutual respect, respect for the opposition and a concept of what a true team is all about."

Who will tell OSU what these concepts are? QUOTE]

The question is.......
Who will tell the BG kids who called young Hipsher a "homo" and "@-hole" and confronted him on the court?????

Careful, your stones are smashing that glass house of yours........ :wave:
[quote="MAC tOAMU"][QUOTE]When you have a campus with no selectivity in admissions, and admins like Geiger who are thugs behind a desk...doesn't this just follow?
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03-lol Are you kidding??? BG folks questioning admissions standards?? Seriously, you are extremely miguided. You might want to compare the stats of the recent freshman classes at OSU vs. BGSU. This isn't the OSU of the Seventies and Eighties......
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I haven't lived in Ohio since 1988. Let's just say tOAMU set a precedent, that has yet to be broken.

As for the Gateway project...well that's the university's fault too; no-one said the stupidity was limited to the athletic department or undergraduates.

And that still doesn't account for Geiger. :wave:
[quote="MAC tOAMU"][QUOTE]When you have a campus with no selectivity in admissions, and admins like Geiger who are thugs behind a desk...doesn't this just follow?
[QUOTE]

03-lol Are you kidding??? BG folks questioning admissions standards?? Seriously, you are extremely miguided. You might want to compare the stats of the recent freshman classes at OSU vs. BGSU. This isn't the OSU of the Seventies and Eighties......

Moving on, anyone familiar with the OSU campus would tell you the source of the problem. The University and city got into bed with a developer a few years ago to build this "Gateway" project. Basically, a re-design of the commercial areas around campus. First thing you do is close all the bars the kids would frequent. Then, you knock the buildings down that held the bars, eliminating any chance of another bar opening. Now, 5-10 years later, the south High Street area is a ghost town. Face it, every big campus is chaotic on a football Saturday. Take away all the places that controlled the chaos (i.e. college bars), this is what happens. House parties become street parties. Street parties become block parties. And block parties become "riots".....

I know it's commonplace to bash tOAMU here, and I usually smirk and move on. This just gets me everytime.

Looking forward the BG game......Akron and KSU the last two years were some of my favorite games of the respective seasons. See you September...

[QUOTE][Geiger said strong enforcement will help control the rioting crowd, but universities need to implement programs for athletic fans that will engage them in sportsmanship, mutual respect, respect for the opposition and a concept of what a true team is all about."

Who will tell OSU what these concepts are? QUOTE]

The question is.......
Who will tell the BG kids who called young Hipsher a "homo" and "@-hole" and confronted him on the court?????

Careful, your stones are smashing that glass house of yours........ :wave:[/quote]
Puuuhlease! You've GOT to be kidding me.

I know...OSU is such a shining example of sportmanship and integrity.

Admissions? BGSU doesn't just take anybody like OSU. Let's look at the 90's shall we? Andy Katzendoesn'tgotoclassenmoyer....nuff said.
Reggie Germany....0.00 GPA. Matter of fact the year OSU got their asses handed to them in the bowl game by South Carolina, 24-7, if that game had been 1 or 2 days later, 20 or so OSU players would have been ineligible. Or this year...out of 56 bowl teams, OSU ranked 47th in grad rates...yep, pretty good there too. :rolleyes:


I didn't see the incident with Hipsher so I can't comment on that. All I know is a student and Andy got mixed up near the sideline. I heard Hipsher's side and the story students who were there tell. The student was escorted out of Anderson Arena. Why not ask Andy what happened? Of course Andy would never instigate a situation, right? Go ask the Ozone at Ohio U about Hipsher. That kid hears it everywhere he plays.
But I know...it was the BG student's fault, right?

Careful now...your OSU arrogance is shining thru....
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Sorry guys......In all seriousness, I meant no harm.

I think I just picked a bad place to extol the academic virtues of OSU...... :D


Won't happen again...... 04-bow
Why don't you try the UMiami board? They LOVE to talk all things Buckeye!
:angel:


(As opposed to here, where we don't really g-a-s about anything buckeye...)

Though your hoops team this year might actually be capable of finishing as high as 3rd in one of our divisions! That's not bad!!
03-razz
Sounds like you guys are being pretty hard on mac toamu!

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If it's any consolation, I have never once posted anything in regards to OSU atheltics. I know where that belongs. I guess the barbs at the expense of my degree granting University finally got to me......


I do have credentials though.........

Probably have been to as many MAC football games as I have OSU games over the past ten years, and that's quite a bit.......

Awwwww.....who cares, right?

04-cheers
MAC tOAMU Wrote:If it's any consolation, I have never once posted anything in regards to OSU atheltics. I know where that belongs. I guess the barbs at the expense of my degree granting University finally got to me......


I do have credentials though.........

Probably have been to as many MAC football games as I have OSU games over the past ten years, and that's quite a bit.......

Awwwww.....who cares, right?

04-cheers
Don't let those Kent and BG fans scare you. Kent is just bitter because their best sport is B-Ball, and they have been losing a lot in the last week or two.

As for BG, they play OSU this fall (Hopefully they will pull off the huge upset because OSU won't take them seriously) so they are ready to jump on their fans.
Quote:Don't let those Kent and BG fans scare you. Kent is just bitter because their best sport is B-Ball, and they have been losing a lot in the last week or two.


You can say that again. We're pretty cranky these days. Worse stretch of games since '96-97. And a trip to Huntington tonight that just doesn't feel right. (But then, when does it? 03-wink )

Still, only a half game out of the overall lead for #1 seed, and sitting on the tiebreakers with CMU and Miami...if we just looked like we had ever played together before. We've been playing like strangers.
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