Here is a list of representatives to the NCAA Management Council that are going to be voting on the 15k rule amendments during April 14-15:
<a href='http://www1.ncaa.org/eprise/main/membership/governance/committee_rosters/d1_mgmt_council_roster' target='_blank'>http://www1.ncaa.org/eprise/main/membershi..._council_roster</a>
Notice that half of these representatives are from 1-AA/1-AAA conferences. Only 1 representative from the MAC, and only 7 out of 51 members from non-BCS 1-A conferences.
KC
What the hell is I-AAA? I have never heard of that before. As far as I knew, NCAA classifications consisted of I-A, I-AA, Division II and Division III.
I believe what they mean by I-AAA, and someone correct me if I'm wrong, is certain Conferences and Schools that compete in I-AA Football without any Scholarships..
Conferences such as the Pioneer League, Northeast Conference and the MAAC.
There aren't many of them and they seem to be dropping off the map, bit by bit.. Recently, Canisius, St. John's and Fairfield have all decided to drop Football.
MAKO Wrote:What the hell is I-AAA? I have never heard of that before. As far as I knew, NCAA classifications consisted of I-A, I-AA, Division II and Division III.
1-AAA schools are division 1 schools/conferences without Football (e.g. Xavier, Bradley)
BTW, here is the 15k exception amendment in present form:
"20.9.6.3 Football-Attendance Requirements. The institution annually shall average at least 15,000 in actual attendance for all home football games
at least one year during the immediate past three-year period.
[20.9.6.3.1 unchanged.]
"20.9.6.3.2 Exception. Active Division I-A members prior to August 1, 2004 shall satisfy Bylaw 20.9.6.3 or the following attendance requirements:
"(a) The stadium used regularly for the institution's home games during the football seasons being evaluated shall contain a minimum of 30,000 permanent seats. Further the institution shall have averaged more than 17,000 in paid attendance per home football game for games played in that stadium (or in a stadium approved by the members of the Management Council representing Division I-A conferences) at least one year during the immediate past three-year period; or
"( b ) Average more than 20,000 in paid attendance for all of its games (at home and away) at least one year during the immediate past three-year period.
"20.9.6.3.3 Conference Exception to Home-Attendance Requirement. An institution that fails to meet the home-attendance requirement or the exception may retain Division I-A football classification if it holds membership in a member conference (which conducts championship competition in football) in which at least 75 percent of the football-playing conference member institutions meet the attendance criterion at least one year during the immediate past three-year period."
KC
Well there you go.. Thanks for the lesson KC, I learned something new at the MAC Board today..
Here is a look at the process diagram for legislative approval by the NCAA. In this diagram, the current stage of MAC's 15k exception rule is outlined in yellow:
<a href='https://goomer.ncaa.org/wdbctx/LSDBi/LSDBi.LSDBi_LP_Search.D1_DisplayStatus?p_State=21' target='_blank'>https://goomer.ncaa.org/wdbctx/LSDBi/LSDBi....atus?p_State=21</a>
KC
The schedule for the 15k exception is the following:
April 14-15, 2003 Management Council initial review of new legislative proposals and second review of legislative proposals from October 2002.
If exception approved then:
April 24, 2003 to July 22, 2003 90 day Comment period.
October 20-21, 2003 Management Council initial review of new legislative proposals and second review of legislative proposals from April 2003.
If exception approved for the second time then:
October 30, 2003 Board of Directors review of legislative proposals given second approval by the Management Council in October 2003.
If exception approved by Board of Directors then:
October 30, 2003 to December 29, 2003 60 day Override period.
If no call to override during 60-day period then:
Board of Directors Action Final
<a href='http://www1.ncaa.org/eprise/main/membership/membership_svcs/d1_legislative_calendar' target='_blank'>http://www1.ncaa.org/eprise/main/membershi...lative_calendar</a>
KC
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Theres gonna be a lot of mad people if that 15k rule passes :mad:
AkronObsessed Wrote:Theres gonna be a lot of mad people if that 15k rule passes :mad:
The 15k rule has already passed. What is up for debate right now is modifications/exceptions to the 15k rule.
The April 14-15 meeting is something to keep your eye on. The exceptions could be completely rejected in 2 weeks. Or they can be approved in total, or modified form.
One of the key things to remember with the legislative process is that if/once these exceptions gain acceptance, they will have to go through a 90 day comment period before second review, plus about another 90 days of waiting before the second management council review. If any significant modificatios are made by the second management review council, the purposal has to go back through the 90 day review and the 90 day wait period. So, if at the earliest it will be December 29, 2003 before the exceptions will be adopted, one major modification and it sets the legislation back 6 months, maybe not in time for the start of the 2004 season.
KC
MylesKnight Wrote:Well there you go.. Thanks for the lesson KC, I learned something new at the MAC Board today..
you should have known that :) Our A-Sun conference mate and rival, Stetson is classified as I-AAA.
Well, well, well. I had absolutely no idea what I-AAA was.
As for my personal opinion, an average attendance of 15k in at least one year over the past three would be fine. As for the other exceptions, I'll stick to my opinion that if you can't get 15k in your stadium, you don't need to be playing I-A football. My gut feeling is that these exceptions won't make it through the legislative process for several reasons.
First, the BCS conferences have every incentive in the world to limit the number of I-A teams. Second, the I-AA schools also have an incentive to gain teams. Between the BCS schools and the I-AA schools, I don't think it will get through. Of course, I have been wrong on at least one previous occasion in my life. :eek:
Quote:Of course, I have been wrong on at least one previous occasion in my life.
Mako, wasn't that just the time you
thought you were wrong, but you were wrong?