Ohio University currently has commitments to support 19 chairs and 27 professorships, 46 total.
Our esteemed peer institutions, such as the Universities of North Carolina and Virginia, each support hundreds of these valuable positions.
<a href='http://www.ohiou.edu/infocus/endowedchair/' target='_blank'>http://www.ohiou.edu/infocus/endowedchair/</a>
KC
If so, then how are those institutions peers?
That's the funny thing about peers. The other school doesn't have to know you consider them a peer. Marshall has Ohio listed as a peer institution. *shrug* UVA and UNC probably list schools like Michigan, Berkley, UCLA, etc as peers.
RochesterFalcon Wrote:If so, then how are those institutions peers?
I thought the same thing myself. What it does indicate is what institutions OU is trying to emulate. And that goes back to my earlier statement about OU's goal to be the UNC of Ohio......not the UNC of the country, but the state of Ohio. We are not trying to be a Miami double, nor a OSU factory school.
If I had to rank OU as a public, I'd say 25 would be about right. We are usually in the 30's and 40's in the USNews reports, but that includes a lot of overrated schools like OSU, MSU,UC-Irvine...ect., that are riding on the coat tails of their graduate programs.
We will never be regarded as any higher than that, obviously because to be in the top 10 you would have to be BETTER than UNC or UVA to take their spot, which we will never be in academic reputation. I like OU in that we have full professors, not TA's teaching undergraduate classes like UNC, but I wonder if that will change as we move to a more "learning" environment over the "teaching" environment we have now.
OU will continue to grow as a school, and with the completion of the appalacian highway from Columbus to Parkersburg,WV, the school finds intself in a corridor of renewed regional growth. Therefore, I anticipate a continued expansion of our Football fan base in the future.
40,000 in Peden stadium is a possibility.
KC
hashmander Wrote:That's the funny thing about peers. The other school doesn't have to know you consider them a peer. Marshall has Ohio listed as a peer institution. *shrug* UVA and UNC probably list schools like Michigan, Berkley, UCLA, etc as peers.
UVA is consistently listed as a top undergraduate school, <a href='http://www.usnews.com/usnews/edu/college/rankings/brief/natudoc/tier1/t1natudoc_brief.php' target='_blank'>by outside sources</a>...thus they have an objective source when they claim to be peers w/ Mich and Berkely (and vice versa).
Graduate programs hold alot of prestige among academicians, and I don't believe UVA is on par w/ these programs (or many land grant universities to be honest).
Please don't let my wife find out I defended UVA.
UVA has Law School and Business School ratings in the top 10 and considers Princeton and Harvard as peer schools. The Medical School is not far behind. If you are in the top 10% of your high school class, you may apply. You will probably not make the cut. UVA does not consider UNC a peer school. Maybe Duke in Law and Medicine.
DrTorch Wrote:hashmander Wrote:That's the funny thing about peers. The other school doesn't have to know you consider them a peer. Marshall has Ohio listed as a peer institution. *shrug* UVA and UNC probably list schools like Michigan, Berkley, UCLA, etc as peers.
UVA is consistently listed as a top undergraduate school, <a href='http://www.usnews.com/usnews/edu/college/rankings/brief/natudoc/tier1/t1natudoc_brief.php' target='_blank'>by outside sources</a>...thus they have an objective source when they claim to be peers w/ Mich and Berkely (and vice versa).
Graduate programs hold alot of prestige among academicians, and I don't believe UVA is on par w/ these programs (or many land grant universities to be honest).
Please don't let my wife find out I defended UVA.
I agree, and thats why I think part of the rational on Ohio's part to peer with UVA is because its not a graduate monolith like Michigan, UCLA,.....ect.
KC
DrTorch Wrote:hashmander Wrote:That's the funny thing about peers. The other school doesn't have to know you consider them a peer. Marshall has Ohio listed as a peer institution. *shrug* UVA and UNC probably list schools like Michigan, Berkley, UCLA, etc as peers.
UVA is consistently listed as a top undergraduate school, <a href='http://www.usnews.com/usnews/edu/college/rankings/brief/natudoc/tier1/t1natudoc_brief.php' target='_blank'>by outside sources</a>...thus they have an objective source when they claim to be peers w/ Mich and Berkely (and vice versa).
Graduate programs hold alot of prestige among academicians, and I don't believe UVA is on par w/ these programs (or many land grant universities to be honest).
Please don't let my wife find out I defended UVA.
I don't understand what that has to do with my post. I know UVA is a great school. I agree with everything GFlash posted. I don't know who UVA considers peers, but I know it's not Ohio. I just picked some randon top public schools as an example. That was my whole point. One school may consider another a peer, but that doesn't mean it's reciprocated. Which is why I mentioned Marshall listing Ohio as a peer.
I think Torch understands your point Hash, he's just trying to point out the fact that UVA is on level par with Michigan, UCLA as a top 10 public university, a true "Public Ivy" backup to Ivy League schools.
KC
hashmander Wrote:DrTorch Wrote:hashmander Wrote:That's the funny thing about peers. The other school doesn't have to know you consider them a peer. Marshall has Ohio listed as a peer institution. *shrug* UVA and UNC probably list schools like Michigan, Berkley, UCLA, etc as peers.
UVA is consistently listed as a top undergraduate school, <a href='http://www.usnews.com/usnews/edu/college/rankings/brief/natudoc/tier1/t1natudoc_brief.php' target='_blank'>by outside sources</a>...thus they have an objective source when they claim to be peers w/ Mich and Berkely (and vice versa).
Graduate programs hold alot of prestige among academicians, and I don't believe UVA is on par w/ these programs (or many land grant universities to be honest).
Please don't let my wife find out I defended UVA.
I don't understand what that has to do with my post. I know UVA is a great school. I agree with everything GFlash posted. I don't know who UVA considers peers, but I know it's not Ohio. I just picked some randon top public schools as an example. That was my whole point. One school may consider another a peer, but that doesn't mean it's reciprocated. Which is why I mentioned Marshall listing Ohio as a peer.
Marshall lists Ohio as a peer because of the proximity of some of their campuses and Marshall fills voids in the nearby ones for classes. If our classes are good enough for them....
Because one school does not recognize another as its rough equal does not mean it's not true, either. Just ask the Mountaineers about this one. We consistently outperform them on the field and they consider us to be beneath them.
Which community college does CFU akin itself to?
If UCF was to pick one I would guess Marshall since we're in the same conference now.
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When you're open enrollment and the average SAT/ACT score of your incoming freshman is in the same range as the NCAA minimum required score for athletes, you shouldn't be throwing barbs.
<a href='http://uaps.ucf.edu/PeerInstitutions.html' target='_blank'>http://uaps.ucf.edu/PeerInstitutions.html</a>
Is the "CFU" thing supposed to be funny?
(BTW, an interesting way to play this game is to see what schools your alma mater names as peers and then to do a Google search on "yourschoolname peer institutions" to see which other schools name yours as a peer. The truth probably lies somewhere in between.)
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Admission standards are not really important in peership. What's more important is academic mission, and thats why Marshall claims it has more in common with Ohio than the "land grantesqe" WVU.
KC
DevilGrad Wrote:<a href='http://uaps.ucf.edu/PeerInstitutions.html' target='_blank'>http://uaps.ucf.edu/PeerInstitutions.html</a>
Is the "CFU" thing supposed to be funny?
(BTW, an interesting way to play this game is to see what schools your alma mater names as peers and then to do a Google search on "yourschoolname peer institutions" to see which other schools name yours as a peer. The truth probably lies somewhere in between.)
I think U[sic] Toledo considers my HS a peer institution, but classes at my HS were harder and taught by better faculty members.
DevilGrad Wrote:<a href='http://uaps.ucf.edu/PeerInstitutions.html' target='_blank'>http://uaps.ucf.edu/PeerInstitutions.html</a>
Is the "CFU" thing supposed to be funny?
(BTW, an interesting way to play this game is to see what schools your alma mater names as peers and then to do a Google search on "yourschoolname peer institutions" to see which other schools name yours as a peer. The truth probably lies somewhere in between.)
thanks for the link.
here is another:
<a href='http://uaps.ucf.edu/PeerVariables.html' target='_blank'>http://uaps.ucf.edu/PeerVariables.html</a>
that page shows all the variables used in peer selection. very interesting.
and don't you know that "CFU" is suppose to be a riot?
Well, to be charitable, it is marginally funnier than the border-line racist Cuban boat people jokes some of those guys like to make.
This whole "peer discussion" is a little like the "who is your biggest rival" thread.
OU considers us a rival, but since they've only beaten us once in football since the Reagan Administration, from our perspective, it's a little tough to seem them as a rival. It's really more a of a jealousy/indifference kind of relationship at this point.
On the academic side of things, it would make sense that OU would look outside the state of Ohio for a peer. Clearly, they have fallen far short of being Miami's "peer." They're more like our pool boy -- only really stoned. B)
DevilGrad Wrote:Is the "CFU" thing supposed to be funny?
No, it is just common usage; the same as BUGS, Rockettes, etc, and who could forget the hilarity of Farshall?
The Knights must have done a perty good job of pounding the brie into shape last season. They even have you standing up for them. Can you say "Redhawks are their beeatches?"
You're not going to take your ball and disappear for six months, again, are you?
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Dodo Wrote:This whole "peer discussion" is a little like the "who is your biggest rival" thread.
OU considers us a rival, but since they've only beaten us once in football since the Reagan Administration, from our perspective, it's a little tough to seem them as a rival. It's really more a of a jealousy/indifference kind of relationship at this point.
On the academic side of things, it would make sense that OU would look outside the state of Ohio for a peer. Clearly, they have fallen far short of being Miami's "peer." They're more like our pool boy -- only really stoned. B)
We've left you to enjoy your prestigous peer group by yourselves.
<a href='http://www.ecu.edu/pir/peer.htm' target='_blank'>http://www.ecu.edu/pir/peer.htm</a>
KC
MUther Wrote:DevilGrad Wrote:Is the "CFU" thing supposed to be funny?
No, it is just common usage; the same as BUGS, Rockettes, etc, and who could forget the hilarity of Farshall?
The Knights must have done a perty good job of pounding the brie into shape last season. They even have you standing up for them. Can you say "Redhawks are their beeatches?"
You're not going to take your ball and disappear for six months, again, are you?
I'm not pro-UCF; I'm anti-idiot. And, as bad as the self-proclaimed saviors of the Midwest Athletic Conference can be, they still haven't knocked off the reigning conference champs in that department.
As for the disappearing thing, I guess you're entitled to your own wishful thinking.
Bite me,
DG