05-19-2003, 07:30 AM
<a href='http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A7902-2003May18.html' target='_blank'>Wash Post article</a> on minorities' separatist activities.
Gotta love that hypocrisy.
Gotta love that hypocrisy.
05-19-2003, 07:30 AM
05-19-2003, 10:58 AM
They also had Jewish and Catholic groups. I don't see the problem with this. We have many organizations on our campus that allow minority groups that share something in common to congregate. Caribbean students, international students (of all races), black students, Hispanic students. These students are fragmented all across a really big campus. I can see why they would feel uncomfortable. There is no point in having a "white student alliance" because everywhere you turn you can find a white student and white students make up some of those interest groups anyway. Maybe they have one at Tennessee State.
I read an article about reverse affirmative action at TSU (a predominantly black school). I only came across this because UCF was mentioned in the article. It was an interesting read. Unless you experience what it's like to be a member of a minority group I don't think you can understand why they would want to meet with others who share a common bond.
<a href='http://www.newschannel9.com/vnews/topstories/1052879817' target='_blank'>http://www.newschannel9.com/vnews/topstori...ries/1052879817</a>
[quote]"When I come on campus- almost all the time I'm stopped by campus police and they want to see why I'm on campus and if I have an ID card and it's just because I'm a white student," Robbins says.
It's not a world of black and white here, many shades of gray. It's a new experience for the 'new' minorities and the black students now part of the majority for the first time.
It's an experience Josh Robbins will leave behind next year.
"You know I've gotten what I hoped to experience at this school. You know, the program, there's not the program so yeah I'm switching because of program, but also I want to be back- I want to be back in the majority."
Josh is heading south to Orlando to spend a year at the University of Central Florida. It's all part of an exchange program with Tennessee State University.
I read an article about reverse affirmative action at TSU (a predominantly black school). I only came across this because UCF was mentioned in the article. It was an interesting read. Unless you experience what it's like to be a member of a minority group I don't think you can understand why they would want to meet with others who share a common bond.
<a href='http://www.newschannel9.com/vnews/topstories/1052879817' target='_blank'>http://www.newschannel9.com/vnews/topstori...ries/1052879817</a>
[quote]"When I come on campus- almost all the time I'm stopped by campus police and they want to see why I'm on campus and if I have an ID card and it's just because I'm a white student," Robbins says.
It's not a world of black and white here, many shades of gray. It's a new experience for the 'new' minorities and the black students now part of the majority for the first time.
It's an experience Josh Robbins will leave behind next year.
"You know I've gotten what I hoped to experience at this school. You know, the program, there's not the program so yeah I'm switching because of program, but also I want to be back- I want to be back in the majority."
Josh is heading south to Orlando to spend a year at the University of Central Florida. It's all part of an exchange program with Tennessee State University.
05-19-2003, 02:12 PM
I love this story, about Russians making a splash at Alcorn State. Mississippi's historical black colleges are working hard to diversify, and they seem to be having an easier time bringing in whites from outside the United States:
<a href='http://www.uh.edu/admin/media/topstories/2003/nytimes/200303/20030312rus.html' target='_blank'>http://www.uh.edu/admin/media/topstories/2...0030312rus.html</a>
<a href='http://www.uh.edu/admin/media/topstories/2003/nytimes/200303/20030312rus.html' target='_blank'>http://www.uh.edu/admin/media/topstories/2...0030312rus.html</a>
05-19-2003, 02:30 PM
RochesterFalcon Wrote:I love this story, about Russians making a splash at Alcorn State. Mississippi's historical black colleges are working hard to diversify, and they seem to be having an easier time bringing in whites from outside the United States:
<a href='http://www.uh.edu/admin/media/topstories/2003/nytimes/200303/20030312rus.html' target='_blank'>http://www.uh.edu/admin/media/topstories/2...0030312rus.html</a>
Quote:"It's worse than the education we had in Russia," said Alex Alexandrov, 20, a senior. "But it's America."
This says a great deal about 'class mobility', higher education and opportunities in the US vs Europe. I don't think your views on Europe's socialist countries holds up, RF.
05-19-2003, 03:12 PM
Quote:This says a great deal about 'class mobility', higher education and opportunities in the US vs Europe. I don't think your views on Europe's socialist countries holds up, RF.
How so?
I'm not sure one could extrapolate from the Russian experience to that of western Europe. It's wholly different.
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05-20-2003, 08:04 AM
RochesterFalcon Wrote:Although this is anecdotal, if it's true it says several things:Quote:This says a great deal about 'class mobility', higher education and opportunities in the US vs Europe. I don't think your views on Europe's socialist countries holds up, RF.
How so?
I'm not sure one could extrapolate from the Russian experience to that of western Europe. It's wholly different.
1. Higher education in the US is in a sad state. Russian HS is better.
2. Even w/ #1, higher education provides social mobility/opportunity in the US.
3. That social mobility is envied by the Russians (and presumably many other internationals given the immigration stats).
4. Sweden, and other European countries would be an easier immigration for these Russian nationals...yet they desire the US for its opportunities.
Thus the conclusion is that US social mobility is greater in magnitude w/ lower requirements (education) than even W. Europe.
Again there are limits to this logic, but I think it's safe to say that this is a perception held by at least some Europeans, particularly those who aren't influenced by nationalistic pride.
05-20-2003, 08:30 AM
I don't know where you get all that.
All I get is the idea that a bunch of dirt poor but reasonably educated Russians want very badly to live in one of the richest countries of the world. I see no more, no less.
All I get is the idea that a bunch of dirt poor but reasonably educated Russians want very badly to live in one of the richest countries of the world. I see no more, no less.