I figure I'd post the link over here since the first half of the article talks about UCF and the MAC.
<a href='http://www.orlandosentinel.com/sports/college/knights/orl-sptucf26062603jun26,0,6341032.story?coll=tf-knights' target='_blank'>Several suitors may try to woo Knights</a>
What exactly does Chryst have in mind? To keep UCF in the MAC, he better be adding ECU and USM to the league to have any chance.
KC
Best of luck to UCF whether they stay or go.
Kit-Cat Wrote:What exactly does Chryst have in mind? To keep UCF in the MAC, he better be adding ECU and USM to the league to have any chance.
KC
Sounds like he might consider giving UCF an all-sports membership.
I don't think that would make a difference should the Big East or C-USA come calling.
Same here. It's one thing for football (only 4 MAC away games and we're use to flying everywhere anyway), but another to fly women's volleyball up to Buffalo.
Dodo Wrote:Kit-Cat Wrote:What exactly does Chryst have in mind? To keep UCF in the MAC, he better be adding ECU and USM to the league to have any chance.
KC
Sounds like he might consider giving UCF an all-sports membership.
I don't think that would make a difference should the Big East or C-USA come calling.
If it's between the MAC and CUSA I wouldn't want to leave the MAC if we had an all sports membership.
1. If UCF isn't included as a new Big East team it's safe to assume that another CUSA team was included which means it is watered down even further.
2. CUSA still won't have a conference championship game
3. How will CUSA hold on to all of its bowls without UL and another school?
It would be nice if some of the schools who really shouldn't be playing football would drop it so the MAC could pick off some of the better CUSA schools left out from the BE fallout.
<a href='http://www.ajc.com/sports/content/sports/0603/26tony.html?932' target='_blank'>The AJC online poll has UCF winning (by a wide margin) as next ACC member.</a>
Looks like Miami is pushing for a 12th member right as we speak.
<a href='http://www.timesdispatch.com/sports/MGBJP8LBEHD.html' target='_blank'>http://www.timesdispatch.com/sports/MGBJP8LBEHD.html</a>
KC
Dodo Wrote:<a href='http://www.ajc.com/sports/content/sports/0603/26tony.html?932' target='_blank'>The AJC online poll has UCF winning (by a wide margin) as next ACC member.</a>
This is the stupidest poll I've ever seen. It doesn't even list the major candidates (BC, Syr, Pitt)
I'm so dumbfounded I don't know whether to rant about the stupidity of Atlanta, Georgia, journalists/newspapers or all of the above.
DrTorch Wrote:Dodo Wrote:<a href='http://www.ajc.com/sports/content/sports/0603/26tony.html?932' target='_blank'>The AJC online poll has UCF winning (by a wide margin) as next ACC member.</a>
This is the stupidest poll I've ever seen. It doesn't even list the major candidates (BC, Syr, Pitt)
I'm so dumbfounded I don't know whether to rant about the stupidity of Atlanta, Georgia, journalists/newspapers or all of the above.
I think the assumption is that with the larger buyout going into effect after June 30th, and with Syracuse and BC already being snubbed, the ACC will have to look outside the BE for expansion. I don't know if that's accurate or not, but I could see that as a possibility.
CamelotUCF Wrote:Dodo Wrote:Kit-Cat Wrote:What exactly does Chryst have in mind? To keep UCF in the MAC, he better be adding ECU and USM to the league to have any chance.
KC
Sounds like he might consider giving UCF an all-sports membership.
I don't think that would make a difference should the Big East or C-USA come calling.
If it's between the MAC and CUSA I wouldn't want to leave the MAC if we had an all sports membership.
1. If UCF isn't included as a new Big East team it's safe to assume that another CUSA team was included which means it is watered down even further.
2. CUSA still won't have a conference championship game
3. How will CUSA hold on to all of its bowls without UL and another school?
It would be nice if some of the schools who really shouldn't be playing football would drop it so the MAC could pick off some of the better CUSA schools left out from the BE fallout.
Let me answer your questions from the way I see the future realignment.
1)If UCF is not included in the new Big East, it will probably because they've picked East Carolina. So its ECU and UofL out of CUSA. Then I expect CUSA will try and reload with Marshall to replace UofL Football and Tulsa for 1-A football and good basketball. This will cause the remaining basketball only members (DePaul, SaintLouis) to revolt and join the Atlantic-10.
CUSA would be watered down a little bit in football and substancially in basketball. It would still be more attractive to TV executives.
2) To sum it up, CUSA will have 11 teams after the defection of Marquette, UofL,and ECU. Then Marshall and Tulsa for 13. Then DePaul and SaintLouis leave to go back to 11. That leaves just one non-football member (Charlotte) and one football only member (Army). So the league will need a 12th all-sport member as well as a 12th football member because you would then have 11 footballl schools and 11 basketball schools.
CUSA would be looking for a 12th member to host a championship game out of the following schools: (SMU, UCF, LaTech). TCU will then be offered a spot in the Mountain West, so SMU will go into CUSA as a backup. That leaves the last spot for CUSA down to UCF, LaTech, and some of the better positioned MAC schools (NIU, Toledo, WMU). When it comes to geography, market, budget, potential.......UCF would be at the top of that list. UCF would definetly going to want to be in a southern based CUSA as opposed to a Marshall-less MAC.
3)CUSA will hold on to its bowls the way it always has; by having schools located close to bowl destinations. The MAC would be in danger of losing the GMAC without Marshall and UCF.
KC
Kit-Cat Wrote:1)If UCF is not included in the new Big East, it will probably because they've picked East Carolina. So its ECU and UofL out of CUSA. Then I expect CUSA will try and reload with Marshall to replace UofL Football and Tulsa for 1-A football and good basketball. This will cause the remaining basketball only members (DePaul, SaintLouis) to revolt and join the Atlantic-10.
Gotta disagree with you on that one KC. I am not saying that we will go in the BE for sure, but I don't think that ECU would be there before us. Of coarse UL is the top choice, but past them...I would think if its not us it would be either Cincy or hell even USF.
I just don't see ECU in the mix. I feel like have already reached their prime in football, aren't good in basketball, and don't have an appealing tv market.
Of coarse we aren't any better in basketball, but I think we have a bigger upside for football- same for USF.
Cinci of coarse beats all 3 of us in basketball, but I actually think that the loss of VT, instead of Cuse and BC actually helps us here. The BE didn't really lose much in terms of basketball so I think the football schools have an edge now.
I personally would love to see UL, UCF, and our hated rivals USF invited to BE. It would help with travel to have USF, for not only us- but the northern teams as they can do one road trip for both of us. Also it would be a great rivalry and just this last year of playing in the MAC has shown me how important and fun that is!
ECU has been to the peach bowl with a top 10 finish. They have an on-campus stadiium of 50,000. Basketball is getting better now that they are in CUSA. Last year they averaged 5400 a game in basketball, equivalent to USF.
UC has never in its history won 10 games in a season. They really no fan base in Football, and are marginally in danger of the 15k rule.
ECU routinely out recruits Duke and Wake in football, and occasionally outrecruits UNC and NCState.
The Carolinas are growing. I'd say ECU has plenty of upside.
KC
Dodo Wrote:DrTorch Wrote:Dodo Wrote:<a href='http://www.ajc.com/sports/content/sports/0603/26tony.html?932' target='_blank'>The AJC online poll has UCF winning (by a wide margin) as next ACC member.</a>
This is the stupidest poll I've ever seen. It doesn't even list the major candidates (BC, Syr, Pitt)
I'm so dumbfounded I don't know whether to rant about the stupidity of Atlanta, Georgia, journalists/newspapers or all of the above.
I think the assumption is that with the larger buyout going into effect after June 30th, and with Syracuse and BC already being snubbed, the ACC will have to look outside the BE for expansion. I don't know if that's accurate or not, but I could see that as a possibility.
I think that's exactly why. BC and Cuse have already said they won't pursue this anymore (after being rejected) and you know the BE will have a serious overhaul of their exit policy. It won't be so easy next time to pick them clean if they survive this. Having said that, I don't see any of those teams in the ACC. Hey it would be nice, but I wouldn't get my hopes up. I think it's ND or hold out a while, like the Big 11.
I don't care too much for some ACC schools though. I read an article where the UNC faculty were talking bad about VT because of some criminal incident that occcured with their football team a few years ago. Why pick on VT? Miami is coming to and they have a past that rivals Marshall's. And *** **** FSU is currently in the conference. Way to turn a blind eye to the bad things the schools you "approve" of do.
Kit-Cat Wrote:Last year they averaged 5400 a game in basketball, equivalent to USF.
If that's what they averaged then it's much higher than USF (4K).
And they don't out recruit UNC or NC State in football. They can sign a bunch of nonqualifiers and they do/did, but they don't out recruit anyone in that state in a true battle.
Kit-Cat Wrote:ECU has been to the peach bowl with a top 10 finish. They have an on-campus stadiium of 50,000. Basketball is getting better now that they are in CUSA. Last year they averaged 5400 a game in basketball, equivalent to USF.
UC has never in its history won 10 games in a season. They really no fan base in Football, and are marginally in danger of the 15k rule.
ECU routinely out recruits Duke and Wake in football, and occasionally outrecruits UNC and NCState.
The Carolinas are growing. I'd say ECU has plenty of upside.
KC
Thanks KC...I actually wasn't aware of all those facts, especially their basketball game attendance. That is pretty impressive. Don't get me wrong I am not saying that ECU hasn't been great in football, I just think that UCF has potential to become a more powerful football team on a consitent basis. Plus the market factor.
Anyways interesting stuff about ECU BB, although I still say we beat out ECU head to head!
ucfjay Wrote:Anyways interesting stuff about ECU BB, although I still say we beat out ECU head to head!
I think UCF beats out ECU head-to-head too. In fact my projections have UCF going into the Big East. I'm just saying that if they pick a Florida school, it will be UCF. If they go away from a Florida school, its down to either UC and East Carolina with ECU winning that battle, especially since the Big East plans to add Xavier to give them the Cinncinati market in basketball.
KC
Interesting article in the NY Times.....not that they any credibility left
I would rather stay in the MAC instead of CUSA........well unless what Kit Cat said happens.....
<a href='http://www.nytimes.com/2003/06/26/sports/26react.html?ex=1057204800&en=d9c15e20e4a4a38e&ei=5062&partner=GOOGLE' target='_blank'>http://www.nytimes.com/2003/06/26/sports/2...&partner=GOOGLE</a>
Listen to the chatter...two conferences w/ 11, and 2 prime candidates to join up: ND and Pitt.
ND is like Veronica: rich and pretty and can take her choice.
Pitt is like Betty: two t's in their name...oh yeah, a good choice with merits of her own.
ND in the ACC makes little sense, except for ND's draw. But are folks around South Bend going to get tired of Wake and UNC?
I still think the ACC is poised for Pitt, which I've said from the beginning makes the most sense for them: new, big market, solid bball and fball, premier recruiting area.
ND is a distraction, just like BC was. I think there was 1 person on this board who said VPI could easily get more ACC votes than BC.
ND will only consider the Big 10, with their 3 100K+ stadiums. Pitt wants to go to the Big 10 (Archie) but will settle for Reggie (the ACC). Unless the Big East does something quickly, it will soon be Jughead.
As for the Big East...UCF is on the short list. ECU is not a serious candidate. Too poor of an academic reputation. The Carolina's are growing, but so is Florida. If the Big East needs 3, UCF will be there. If Pitt and VPI leave the Big East, that hurts Marshall's chances b/c the 2 big rivalries after WVU are gone. Still, Marshall makes some sense from the aspect of trying to keep BCS eligibility. ECU has had some nice years, but they aren't all that spectacular. I'd bet Miami(OH) is ahead of them on TrainedGeese's list.
The Big East plans to remain at 6 in Football for the short term.
<a href='http://www.nj.com/sports/ledger/index.ssf?/base/sports-0/1056607827271730.xml' target='_blank'>http://www.nj.com/sports/ledger/index.ssf?...07827271730.xml</a>
KC