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A school like Marshall never lets academics get in the way of the pursuit of championships!

DrTorch Wrote:A school like Marshall never lets academics get in the way of the pursuit of championships!

What's this have to do with Marshall? :withstupid:

Football graduation rates for MAC schools according to the NCAA 2002 graduate rate report. The columns are the 95-96 freshman class, 4 class and transfer classes respectively:

1. Akron - 53, 31, 100 (Note: Less than 5 members of transfer class)
2. Ball State - 82, 61, 80
3. Buffalo - 67, 48, 50
4. BUGS - 50, 52, 36
5. CFU - 0, 41, 52 (Note. CFU had n 95-96 freshman for this report)
6. CMU - 54, 53, 0 (Note: CMU had no transfers for this report)
7. EMU - 63, 44, 44
8. Kent - 53, 42, 39
9. Marshall - 62, 51, 67
10. Miami - 48, 52, 0 (Note: No transfers for this report)
11. NIU - 80, 68, 83
12. Ohio 50, 55, 56
13. Toledump - 41, 56, 25

What do these numbers tell us? Well, Ball State and NIU are heads and heels above every other MAC school. Marshall is above the average. Toledump is below the average. Yeah, yeah. I know. The only reason any Marshall player could ever pass a college class is if his professor gave him a grade. Naturally, that is how Chad Pennington became a Rhodes scholar candidate. :rolleyes:

<a href='http://www.ncaa.org/grad_rates/2002/d1/' target='_blank'>NCAA 2002 Graduation Rates Report</a>

MAKO Wrote:<a href='http://www.orlandosentinel.com/sports/college/knights/orl-sptucf20072003jul20,0,5100430.story?coll=orl-sports-headlines' target='_blank'>Orlando Sentinel Article</a>

Please don't cry for us.......here's why:
Jeanty has been gone since February and is trying the Canadian Football League.

Curry was a seldom used fullback that took forever to quailfy and and has been expected to at some point be a casualty.

Mendez- back o-line.......solid back up, he does hurt depth though.

Mascoe- although starting last year and did a great job, was on probation since January and missed spring, this was not unexpected.

The injuries are sad for those guys. Harper could've been great, but torn three ligaments in his knee then returned late last season only to dislocate his shoulder and tear the muscles surrounding the socket.
The other kid was never two deep but could've contributed. It's tough seeing a kid walking with a cain that young because of a bad back.

So please don't shed any tears.......But you can take it easy on us this year if you must be nice.

I am appalled at KSU's low rates. However, based on the years indicated, this is pre-Dean Pees. There was a lot of crap going on under the prior two coaches and most of it wasn't winning games. I am sure that the situation has much improved under Pees or he would have been canned by now because the wins aren't there.

MAKO Wrote:Football graduation rates for MAC schools according to the NCAA 2002 graduate rate report. The columns are the 95-96 freshman class, 4 class and transfer classes respectively:

1. Akron - 53, 31, 100 (Note: Less than 5 members of transfer class)
2. Ball State - 82, 61, 80
3. Buffalo - 67, 48, 50
4. BUGS - 50, 52, 36
5. CFU - 0, 41, 52 (Note. CFU had n 95-96 freshman for this report)
6. CMU - 54, 53, 0 (Note: CMU had no transfers for this report)
7. EMU - 63, 44, 44
8. Kent - 53, 42, 39
9. Marshall - 62, 51, 67
10. Miami - 48, 52, 0 (Note: No transfers for this report)
11. NIU - 80, 68, 83
12. Ohio 50, 55, 56
13. Toledump - 41, 56, 25

What do these numbers tell us? Well, Ball State and NIU are heads and heels above every other MAC school. Marshall is above the average. Toledump is below the average. Yeah, yeah. I know. The only reason any Marshall player could ever pass a college class is if his professor gave him a grade. Naturally, that is how Chad Pennington became a Rhodes scholar candidate. :rolleyes:

<a href='http://www.ncaa.org/grad_rates/2002/d1/' target='_blank'>NCAA 2002 Graduation Rates Report</a>

I really wish those were the numbers for NIU, but it appears you quoted our stats for baseball, Mako. For football, it is a much less impressive 57, 41, 15. A lot of variables come into play with these numbers, so it's not necessarily as bleak as it may seem. Be that as it may, I really hope Coach Novak and his staff have taken strides to improve these numbers for subsequent generations of players.

I'm not exactly sure what the last two numbers are for, but if I understand this correctly, the 95-96 class would be the incoming fall '95 frosh. If so, Novak's first season was '96, so this would not include Novak recruits.

Quote:I really wish those were the numbers for NIU, but it appears you quoted our stats for baseball, Mako.

Well, it wouldn't be the first mistake I've ever made in my life and I've got a sneaking suspicion it won't be the last.

HuskieDan Wrote:I'm not exactly sure what the last two numbers are for, but if I understand this correctly, the 95-96 class would be the incoming fall '95 frosh. If so, Novak's first season was '96, so this would not include Novak recruits.

Yes, I was thinking the same thing. Furthermore, the woeful rate for transfers is probably a function of Novak cleaning house, getting rid of the juco "athletes" and other detritus left over from the Sadler era.

What does Torch's comment have to do with Marshall? I dunno, but I'm guessing it has to do with the fact that when our kids are on academic probation and they don't do the work (too bad our professors don't hand out test answers) they are ruled ineligible. When Marshall's players are on academic probation*, Booby just says, "Nothing a few B's can't fix." They are just handing out grades left and right in Huntington, huh? No wonder the poor general student body has a graduation rate of 30%. They don't have the luxury of getting "B's" when they need them.

And don't worry about us. The biggest lost was Rashad Jeanty and everyone knew about him already. D-line is one of our strongest and deepest units so that won't hurt too bad. At the end of last season there was talk about moving Mascoe to OLB this year because he didn't have MLB instincts. Stanford Rhule, our leading tackler, is better suited for Mike anyway.

* Didn't Booby say 15% of the team needed to pass some Summer classes to be eligible this Fall?

hashmander Wrote:And don't worry about us.

Oh believe me, we never were. :rofl:

hashmander Wrote:What does Torch's comment have to do with Marshall? I dunno, but I'm guessing it has to do with the fact that when our kids are on academic probation and they don't do the work (too bad our professors don't hand out test answers) they are ruled ineligible. When Marshall's players are on academic probation*, Booby just says, "Nothing a few B's can't fix." They are just handing out grades left and right in Huntington, huh? No wonder the poor general student body has a graduation rate of 30%. They don't have the luxury of getting "B's" when they need them.

And don't worry about us. The biggest lost was Rashad Jeanty and everyone knew about him already. D-line is one of our strongest and deepest units so that won't hurt too bad. At the end of last season there was talk about moving Mascoe to OLB this year because he didn't have MLB instincts. Stanford Rhule, our leading tackler, is better suited for Mike anyway.

* Didn't Booby say 15% of the team needed to pass some Summer classes to be eligible this Fall?

Wasn't Mascoe supposed to be the second coming of Ray Lucas or something? I've seen him on a lot of all-MAC mentions, but this just manage to give my boy Nick Duffy the due he is due at MLB.

Mascoe is an incredible athlete and he's 6-3, 255. That will get you a lot of attention. Ray Lucas is a QB, so I assume you meant Ray Lewis. Anyway, he wasn't suppose to be the second coming of anyone to tell you the truth. I think last season was the first time he played one position in his life. He was an athlete in high school (QB, LB, DL) and more of the same in JUCO (QB, DE, LB). He just didn't have MLB instincts. I was hoping that with a year under his belt he would be great, but I guess we won't find out.

hashmander Wrote:Mascoe is an incredible athlete and he's 6-3, 255. That will get you a lot of attention. Ray Lucas is a QB, so I assume you meant Ray Lewis.

:chair: How's that Huskie Dan????????

Ya suuuuure no ya futball!!!!!!!

No wonder this conference is just a Herd slam fest.

Don't cry for me argentina!!! (aka corn fields or what ever you change your latest monicker too)

Only big loss I see is Andreal Curry...

Anyhow, don't call UCF: CFU or Central Florida...it's obnoxious and annoying. We don't say "University of Marshall" or "Hill-Billy U."

Oh yeah, we do say "Hill-Billy U."

KnightStalker Wrote:

hashmander Wrote:Mascoe is an incredible athlete and he's 6-3, 255. That will get you a lot of attention. Ray Lucas is a QB, so I assume you meant Ray Lewis.

:chair: How's that Huskie Dan????????

Ya suuuuure no ya futball!!!!!!!

No wonder this conference is just a Herd slam fest.

Don't cry for me argentina!!! (aka corn fields or what ever you change your latest monicker too)

Cute, Stalker. Just a little quick with my typing...

BTW, have you guys thawed out yet from that trip to DeKalb a couple years ago? I watch that game from time to time to see how bad your gum flappin' beach-weenies crumble under the pressure of a cold midwestern breeze and some hard-hittin' safeties. :chair:

Quote:I watch that game from time to time to see how bad your gum flappin' beach-weenies crumble under the pressure of a cold midwestern breeze and some hard-hittin' safeties.

Meow.

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I hope that one day......in the near future.....UCF will be as good as this CFU team everybody keeps talking about

:withstupid:

Golden Knight Wrote:

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I hope that one day......in the near future.....UCF will be as good as this CFU team everybody keeps talking about

:withstupid:

actually, neither have proven anything. :D