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Man oh man oh man--lemme just tell you it was soooooooo painful to sit in the stands and watch the UCF vs. FAU game.

First off, it was so up and down--amazing plays where our defense was just evil to the FAU players, then later our secondary falls asleep and FAU makes big plays.

Then we make great plays--like returning a kick for a touchdown, and have some big runs--only to have the officials call it back.
We made too too many mental mistakes for too many penalties.

However, the silver lining is that, to a man, the team knew they f'ed up.
To begin, on the post-game show, Coach K was furious.
The reporter gave him every opportunity to spin the game, but K refused and flatly said that he was embarrassed.

The team, too.
They made no excuses and admitted that they did not play well.

The best line was from Schneider, who said that if we play like this again we may never win another game.

SO--perhaps the silver lining is that this game is the kick in the a@@ we need before Syracuse.
Perhaps the pain of this game will motivate the boys into greater things.

If not...gonna be a looooong season.

Ni

Sounds better than how our coach handled barely beating YSU. He went out of his way to say how close they were to D-1A players, blah, blah, blah. What he should have said is that KSU is preparing itself for Gateway Conf play in 2006 and that we are recruiting with that goal in mind. AAAAAAAAHHHHH!

Again--when we say we are embarrassed to win vs. a D1AA team, it follows that if we beat a BCS team or lose a close game to one, they should be "embarrassed" because they are really far more superior than the score indicated.
I think Pees handled it right. They deserve our respect. How many years in the last 10 do you think Youngstown State would have finished in the bottom half of the MAC? Where would W. Illinois finish this year?
They would not win titles, but give them the 1A advantages and it wouldn't take long. We aren't going to ever get the respect of the BCS teams because mostly they are much better. If we get the BCS money, we have a chance to improve, which is why we aren't getting the money. Even 2 or 3 wins this week is not going to change that or improve our stature more than momentarily, and then, mostly on chat boards and in bars.
My opinion--I don't want the MAC to be like them.

I follow your point; however, I guess my point was that I think it is healthy for a team to be self-analytical after a disappointing game rather than indulgent in excuse-making.

Ni

Maybe they would have played better if before the game Coach K had given the defense a nice shrubbery!

:wave:

...yeah--can't beat an opponent with a HERRING!!!

Ni

The silver lining is, you won. Toe-stubbing only counts if you lose. An ugly win is a coach's delight. He gets to yell like you lost, but it is still a W.

axeme Wrote:My opinion--I don't want the MAC to be like them.

Agreed - 100% Just wish KSU was a bit more competitive on the gridiron. My frustration with that shows a bit too often...

Or as our coach Novak said after the Tenn Tech game, which we won handily but did not play well in - "this is a good time to be a coach, because we have a lot of work to do."

(trying to be as upbeat as i can) At least our offense(passing) is looking good. I was glad to see the young receivers step up and take charge.



I hope our young db's that are going to be in the lineup at Syr do the same. :bluethumb:

B. Marshall had a phenomenal game. Alex Haynes let me down a bit, but only because my expectations of him are so high these days (he's the MAN). I'm not to big on Ryan to be honest. I'm not sure of his leadership, and I really don't think he has much field vision. UCF tends to make one big mistake, then fall apart. As a team captain, he needs to help motivate these guys more. He does have a great arm though, I think 500 yards proves that. We just might have to hold his hand while he gots onto the bus. Be a shame if a another curb attacks him I guess the good comes with the bad sometimes, and I'm probably too critical. I just hate seeing Daunte's records being broken by a lesser player.

Anyway. We really need to learn some defense. `Cuse is going to eat us alive if we don't man up already.

Oh well.

I dont see Ryan as a lesser player. H

e doesnt have the legs Daunte had so the defense can get to him better and he isnt 270# so they can get him down easier. They both are very good.

Dante had more possibilities(mobility) to work with, but Ryan is a much better drop back passer.

(Wishing for the Mckibben bro's to come back) :angel:

axeme Wrote:Again--when we say we are embarrassed to win vs. a D1AA team, it follows that if we beat a BCS team or lose a close game to one, they should be "embarrassed" because they are really far more superior than the score indicated.

Wrong! We are in the same divison as the BCS. That is an assumption based on their perception of being superior. Div. 1-AA is a lower division and a team in a higher division should never lose to them. It happens. It is embarrassing. 1-A teams can expect to win against other oppnents in 1-A but their is always a chance that the other 1-A team has its ducks in a row and will beat them. The division is perception and not real. BCS teams who are embarrassed to be beaten by MAC teams don't understand football, IMO.

Ryan certainly is talented, and he has great arm strength. In terms of passing style, your right, they're apples and oranges.

In my opinion though, he lacks the other characteristics a QB needs, namely vision. Watch him drop back -- he'll generally throw into coverage with a wide open reciever. Too much reliance on routes, not enough of actual evaluation. FAU's defense certainly isn't strong. He had plenty of time to pass the majority of downs, but he'd continue to make sub-par plays because he wouldn't evaluate the field. Thank god his receiving core is badass.

A QB also has to be a leader. The true test of a QB is how he'll respond to an interception or a fumble. The only time we've really seen it this year was Va. Tech. Yes, it's the number nine team in the nation. It doesn't mean you completely fold in the fourth once things don't go your way. It's ryan (and certainly coach k's) job to keep people playing.

I just remember Daunte making things happen I guess. I tend to block out games like Ga. Tech (Daunte's late fumble)

MUther Wrote:Wrong! We are in the same divison as the BCS. That is an assumption based on their perception of being superior. Div. 1-AA is a lower division and a team in a higher division should never lose to them. It happens. It is embarrassing. 1-A teams can expect to win against other oppnents in 1-A but their is always a chance that the other 1-A team has its ducks in a row and will beat them. The division is perception and not real. BCS teams who are embarrassed to be beaten by MAC teams don't understand football, IMO.

Disagree.
The same separation exists in D1A--BCS and non-BCS. When the one group beats the other group at about a 90% rate (at least that in our conference) you are going to be embarrassed by having one of the rare losses to that lower group. The division is real--and this point has been made over and over again here. The BCS schools have resources far beyond those of schools in the MAC.
When our best program for attendance draws a piddling 28,000 per game, it's no wonder playing us is a joke to them and why they have a million excuses when they occasionally lose.

rulethirty Wrote:I just hate seeing Daunte's records being broken by a lesser player.

You know I love Daunte like the next guy because his success is good for UCF. But he didn't really accomplish anything Ryan hasn't. In fact Ryan won that big game Daunte ( and his team ) always found a way to lose. I have to give it to Ryan, he deserves those records. I know you didn't say he didn't. But still Daunte didn't do much outside of that 9-2 year where we beat a buch of cupcakes.

you are also forgetting the Auburn game and a few others.

Dont get me wrong, i have Daunte stuff all over the place. But he threw alot of bad passes also and would focus on a single receiver ALOT(Burley, Lee, Clark).

As a matter of fact he still is (MOSS). Ryan, just like D, always follows a bad pass(INT)
with a fabulous series.

Ryan takes the heat if he messes up and usually makes up for it. I do believe he will have a great game at SYR. He is taking alot of the blame for last week, even though he made few mistakes.


But if they dont get better, all of the MAC needs to buy stock in Anheiser-Busch cause i am going to make them alot richer.

axeme Wrote:

MUther Wrote:Wrong!  We are in the same divison as the BCS.  That is an assumption based on their perception of being superior.  Div. 1-AA is a lower division and a team in a higher division should never lose to them.  It happens.  It is embarrassing.  1-A teams can expect to win against other oppnents in 1-A but their is always a chance that the other 1-A team has its ducks in a row and will beat them.  The division is perception and not real.  BCS teams who are embarrassed to be beaten by MAC teams don't understand football, IMO.

Disagree.
The same separation exists in D1A--BCS and non-BCS. When the one group beats the other group at about a 90% rate (at least that in our conference) you are going to be embarrassed by having one of the rare losses to that lower group. The division is real--and this point has been made over and over again here. The BCS schools have resources far beyond those of schools in the MAC.
When our best program for attendance draws a piddling 28,000 per game, it's no wonder playing us is a joke to them and why they have a million excuses when they occasionally lose.

and you just summed up your programs failure in football in one paragraph. All you gotta do is believe, man. If you let them creep into your head and plant that BCS non-sense, then you will always fell beneath them. If every BCS was played home and home then we would be no worse than 40% against them as a conference on the whole.

Well, that's my point--until the system changes and the MAC stadiums get bigger so the money evens out, it just ain't hapnin'.

And I'm insulted that you think it would take me a paragraph to sum up our football program's failure! :wave:

I tell you what I do believe: the MAC is going to get its ****** whipped in its BCS encounters this week.
I'm in favor of reality and know that what Ibelive has no bearing on what happens on the football field.

axeme Wrote:I tell you what I do believe: the MAC is going to get its ****** whipped in its BCS encounters this week.
I'm in favor of reality and know that what Ibelive has no bearing on what happens on the football field.

I believe that you are probably correct. However, there was a time when there wouldn't have been much doubt about it. Now there is due to the elevated level of play in the the MAC and the fact that 2 of the 4 teams facing tough competition this weekend have gotten quite a few wins against the BCS. The other 2 have come close many times.

I'm not going to be surprised by any outcome. Well, almost...if Marshall beats Kansas State, I'll be pretty surprised.