Over 1,200 miles away -- and that's only the "formal reservations" of people coming from SW Ohio. I know of a number of other people from the west coast who are making the trip inland. We might expect between 800-1000 fans to "travel."
So, with 8-10,000 at Northwestern, 5-8,000 or so at Toledo last year (Rocket fans could probably give a better count), 5-6,000 at UNC last year, and similar numbers for Michigan, Ohio State, and Vanderbilt, who says we "don't travel well"?
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I expect to see a nice Redhawk crowd in Peden this year with the game the Saturday before Thanksgiving.
Kit-Cat Wrote:I expect to see a nice Redhawk crowd in Peden this year with the game the Saturday before Thanksgiving.
As a rule, we travel well to each other's venues. People still love the OU v. Miami rivalry, even if it has lost a little of its luster (with you guys being unable to beat us, and all :D ).
Dodo Wrote:Kit-Cat Wrote:I expect to see a nice Redhawk crowd in Peden this year with the game the Saturday before Thanksgiving.
As a rule, we travel well to each other's venues. People still love the OU v. Miami rivalry, even if it has lost a little of its luster (with you guys being unable to beat us, and all :D ).
I watched the NU/Miami game last Saturday and it looked like there were as many Redhawk fans as UN fans in the crowd.
It's very cool you guys travel so well. Historically, we do not, but historically there hasn't been much to follow, so that's not surprising.
It seems to me Huskie fans are starting to catch the travel bug. We have a pretty decent crowd going down to Tuscaloosa this weekend (Not including baby-laden Flying Corn :crying:).
If early reports are to be believed, we should be bringing our first sizeable contingents of fans ever to Bowling Green and Toledo later this fall.
With any luck, we'll be bringing thousands rather than dozens of fans to opposition stadiums in the years to come. :)
Flying Corn Wrote:With any luck, we'll be bringing thousands rather than dozens of fans to opposition stadiums in the years to come. :)
You're probably dreaming there.
The only reason MiamiU travels decently is because its a statewide/midwestwide school with alumni scattered all over the place. NIU is more of a regional school, with alums primarly in a two hour radius.
Ask Central Florida fans. OU brought more fans to Orlando than Toledo and Akron combined even though the team sucks. Thats because OU is more of a national school.
Social, academic, and economic arrogance. Ain't nothin' like it, eh boys and girls?
Quote:Ask Central Florida fans. OU brought more fans to Orlando than Toledo and Akron combined even though the team sucks. Thats because OU is more of a national school.
Bullcrap. It's because, like just about every other decent-sized Midwestern university, you have a ton of retired alumni in Florida. The same reason why BSU took nearly 3,000 fans to the Swamp while we were in the middle of a record 21-game losing streak for a game where we were 40 point underdogs.
Get over yourself, already...
That was just KC's poor attempt to slam Miami. Unfortunately for him, he's so off base, it's not even mildly amusing. :snore:
Dodo Wrote:That was just KC's poor attempt to slam Miami. Unfortunately for him, he's so off base, it's not even mildly amusing. :snore:
I'm not slamming. How am I off base by saying that schools with widely spread out alums (more national) tend to travel better to far flung places. BallSt probably travels better to Florida than Akron and Toledo, and I'm not surprised because Ballst is statewide school, not just city wide with a concentrated local fan base.
And why does OU bring more fans to the Gund than Toledo? Easy answer, OU has more alums in Cleveland than Toledo. Does this concept make any sense to you Oddball, or is it just so far out in Left field? Miami has way more alums in the Chicago area than say Marshall, and I'd like to see the Herd bring 5,000 to Northwestern. Marshall has more alumni in the Carolinas and Virginia because of the poor economy in West Virginia, thats how they send big numbers on the road to Tennesse, Clemson, ect. I'd be shocked if they send many to Kansas State, but if they do it would be a tribute to the big national following they've built because of Football.
For you Oddball, the ABC's of traveling fan base.
Toledo draws 30,000 at home from strong city-wide support, 8,000 Toledo fans make the short 20 mile trek to BG for a road game. 2,000 show up 5 hours away at OU FROM Toledo. The key point is your fans are traveling from Toledo, and not living in S.E. Ohio comming out of the woodwork.
Miami has 5,000 fans from Northwestern being mostly from Illinios, Indiana, and to be fair a decent amount from Ohio. If you think 5,000 fans FROM Oxford traveled TO Chicago..........you have a screw loose. They don't even have 5,000 season ticket holders in Oxford and the students have better things to do with their time than to make a long trip to Chicago.
OU has more fans in Florida to come out of the woodwork for a game than Toledo that makes OU more of a national school. If I said OU was more national than OSU, I could understand the retard pose, but OU is certainly more national than any of the "city schools of ohio" (Toledo, Akron, WrightSt, Cinncinati, ClevelandSt). Who have alums primarly within a tri-county region.
Don't make me say it again...
My point was that saying that OU is a "national university" and Miami is a "regional university" is a joke. I mean, that is a total joke.
:rofl:
Dodo Wrote:My point was that saying that OU is a "national university" and Miami is a "regional university" is a joke. I mean, that is a total joke.
:rofl:
Miami and OU are regional universities when compared to Michigan and Wisconsin who are drawing nationally. Miami students are mostly from Ohio and then other Midwestern states. Few make the trip from Atlanta or Colorado to go to Miami. OU is the same way being primarly Ohio, and then Pennsylvannia, West Virginia, Maryland, DC, NYC.
The difference is a Miami or OU grad will leave the region and settle elsewhere because they are already going away to school and have that adventurous mentality.
Toledo has a lot of non-traditional students who live and work in Toledo and already have established careers in the area.
Let me guess, retard pic installment 3.
Kit-Cat Wrote:Let me guess, retard pic installment 3.
Who else would sit and have an argument with himself?
Oddball Wrote:Kit-Cat Wrote:Let me guess, retard pic installment 3.
Who else would sit and have an argument with himself?
Lack of responses mean the rest of the board besides yourself can understand my points and don't have to quibble with me.
FYI
You will have the MAC's #1 crew officiating this game.
Good luck
Kit-Cat Wrote:Lack of responses mean the rest of the board besides yourself can understand my points and don't have to quibble with me.
Or, to take Option B, it may mean that a substantial fraction of us try not to waste the time required to argue with you any more.
But, to go back to your example for just one minute, Michigan states that "over one-third" of its students come from outside the state of Michigan. Miami reports that 35% of its students are from out of state. I didn't find a hard number for Wisconsin, but it might be slightly higher since Wisconsin and Minnesota have an inter-state compact that allows high school students from each state to attend the state schools in the other at reduced tuition rates.
In short, my guess is that the geographic composition of the student bodies at Michigan and Miami is far more similar than you would suggest.
You can do your own research for OU. That would be a nice change.
DG........you need to get a clue.
Yes I already know the percentages of out of state students at both Miami and Michigan. What I'm saying is that if you read any college guide it says that the out of state students at Miami are from the Eastern Midwest primarly.
Michigan has more of a national draw, its a better school.
Miami has a grand total of ZERO undergraduate programs ranked by the Gorman report.
OU has eight, which is the most in the MAC less Buffalo which has 20.
Miami is not on par with Michigan in any quantifiable measure. Not in academics, not in national reputation, not anywhere close in selectivity, especially out of state selectivity.
Michigan is a fallback school if you can't get into the Ivies. Miami is a fallback school if you can't get into Michigan.
But OU isn't really a fallback school if you can't get into Miami. The truth is, while Miami is more selective it has no better of a reputation than OU, just take a look at academic reputation score of the two schools in the US News and World Report, basically identical.
OU has more upside academically with its growing school that will have an increasing number of resources for its programs. While Miami just sits around trying to lure more Wittenberg hopefulls with scholarship money.
Miami is way overrated, your students even say so.
"J. Crew U is correct! Steer clear if you don't own North Face jackets or Kate Spade purses! There are only a few "real" people at this school, and they're tough to find."
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