Just for fun I did a little bit of number fudging.
Most of this is hypothetical, but it is interesting.
11. Miami (Ohio) 14.5 6.00 2.72 1 0 24.22
11. Miami (Ohio) Poll Comp SOS Loss QWin TOTAL
OK I imagine that Miami's poll position would have been significantly higher sooner with an undefeated record. I am guessing around 6-8th, possibly higher. I also believe their computer average would have been astronimical. I am sure that Anderson & Hester, Jeff Sagarin, and Peter Wolfe would have Miami #1 or 2 instead of 4, 3 and 4, respectively. The NYT poll (which has Maryland at #11????) is thrown out because it is too low, and Miami's average jumps to about 3.
SOS remains virtually unchanged, althouhg Iowa with a loss becomes a 'weaker' opponent.
SO - let's look at our new numbers. Poll avg 7 (I feel this is a conservative guess!), Comp avg = 3, SOS 2.75, 0Losses and 0 Qwins.
BCS Composite 12.75
That would put Miami 5th just behind Michigan in the BCS and at least in a BCS bowl.
If their poll average was 4 and comp avg was 2 (IMHO the best possible), Miami would have an 8.75, good enough for 4th....probably about the max for an undefeated MAC school.
imagine Miami in the Rose Bowl...so close.
My guess is no , they aren't gonna let a non-BCS school participate
in a BCS Bowl ....No matter what ..
And they'd still be playing Louisville in the GMAC and we'd still be sitting at home....... :rolleyes:
I honestly believe, the season Miami just had was the closest any non-BCS team has come to playing in the championship game. If they had beaten Iowa, they would have had a legitimate shot at finishing 1 or 2 in the BCS. They would have been ranked earlier in the season. They would have received attention earlier in the season. They would have been the only undefeated team. It still probably wouldn't have happened, but they were very close.
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SAHerdFan Wrote:My guess is no , they aren't gonna let a non-BCS school participate
in a BCS Bowl ....No matter what ..
They wouldn't even let USC play for the National Championship !!
SAHerdFan Wrote:My guess is no , they aren't gonna let a non-BCS school participate
in a BCS Bowl ....No matter what ..
If they finish top 6 they are automatically in.
Had they beaten Iowa, I don't think it would have been possible that they would have been out of the top 6
Absolutely yes, they'd be in a BCS bowl. I think that from now on, it will be tough to exclude an undefeated team from the BCS.
As for the Sugar Bowl? That's a tough one. I don't know if they'd have been #1 or #2. I think they might have as Oklahoma would have fallen below them. BUT, it would have been that much more of an exclamation point to skip the only undefeated team in the country.
The Rose Bowl? I don't think so. Had they been passed over for the Sugar Bowl, the Rose would have gone after the Big 10/Pac 10 match up it always wants. No biggie there.
TCU could have been in the same boat. Would have been even more interesting given their relatively weak schedule/performance. Nevertheless, had they been undefeated, they would have gone to a BCS bowl regardless. I am convinced of that. (See ya Ohio St).
What would have been interesting is if both TCU and Miami (OH) had been the only undefeateds. Then what would the BCS do? I remember in '93, both UNL and WVU were undefeated, and both lost their bowl games I believe. I think the BCS would have cited that precedent, but they would have got themselves into a jam w/ their stupid set-up.
MillenniumFALCON Wrote:SAHerdFan Wrote:My guess is no , they aren't gonna let a non-BCS school participate
in a BCS Bowl ....No matter what ..
If they finish top 6 they are automatically in.
Had they beaten Iowa, I don't think it would have been possible that they would have been out of the top 6
Its possible trust me
Marshall set at #10 for 3 solid weeks in 99, its possible
Theres a fine line when we discuss about undefeated teams....I have seen talk on here with people stating that if a team goes undefeated they should automatically go to a BCS.....BUT....Does a team who goes undefeated where there entire schedule is made up of "Army" like teams..that haven't won a game or is under .500 deserve a BCS Bowl? This is just hypothetically speaking I am not using any specific team as an example.
HerdZoned Wrote:Its possible trust me
Marshall set at #10 for 3 solid weeks in 99, its possible
OK - a couple of points on this. That year, the MAC didn't get the positive press it got this year (didn't deserve it then either). Marshall didn't have a win over a ranked team, I believe. I dont' know what Marshall's SOS would have been, but I believe Miami's would have been higher. Miami was 11th with a poll average of 14.5. Miami could have been around 7th with a poll average of 10.
I can't say for sure, but I sure think Miami would be in a BCS bowl if they had beaten Iowa. The numbers seem to back that up.
Miami is the best MAC team in 30 years. I am sure Marshall fans wil disagree, but this is a team in december who is ranked #3 in the contry in a computer poll.
Wow.
The best part is that they absolutely deserve it. Also different from 99 is the lack of an undefeated team. Imagine if Miami was the only undefeated team....
Someday, a MAC team is going to break into the BCS...soon.
<span style='font-family:Courier'>------------- RATING W L SCHEDL(RANK) VS top 10| VS top 30
13 Marshall A = 87.74 13 0 59.76( 111) 0 0 | 2 0
Miami 2003:
----------------RATING W L SCHEDL(RANK) VS top 10 | VS top 30 | ELO-CHESS | PREDICTOR
4 Miami-Ohio A = 90.25 12 1 69.13( 72) 0 0 | 2 1 | 90.28 3 | 89.77 8</span>
Had Miami beaten Iowa, they would have broken into the polls sooner, but I believe they would have run into a glass ceiling (as did TCU) where pollsters simply refuse to rank them higher.
Despite the mid-major bias, they would have been in the top 6. I doubt the Orange would have taken them. If I were a wagering man and Miami got into the BCS, I would bet they'd be the last team selected. I think that would have been the Fiesta if I remember the selection order.
The problem is, who would they bump? Ohio State? Uh... I find that hard to imagine.
I think Ohio State should have been bumped anyway... but I just can't possibly imagine the ****** storm that would have ensued in this state.
Schadenfreude Wrote:The problem is, who would they bump? Ohio State? Uh... I find that hard to imagine.
I think Ohio State should have been bumped anyway... but I just can't possibly imagine the ****** storm that would have ensued in this state.
I don't see it as an issue- Ohio State lost two games. If Miami was undefeated, they would be ranked ahead of tOAMU in the BCS and would deserve it more than Ohio State.
And my thought is that they would prove it on the field, too.
Miami is better than Ohio State.
But, here is the relevant question. If Miami had gone undefeated, would they have finished in the top 6 in the BCS rankings? If not, I don't care what else was going on, they wouldn't be going to a BCS bowl. Can you see the Big 10 commish saying, "gee whillikers folks. Miami had a really great season and we'll give up our conferences $10 million payout to the MAC?" Right. And if you believe that, boy do I have some investment opportunities for you.
That's what makes the BCS an illegal monopoly. Not only is it controlled by a cartel but, unless you are part of the cartel, you absolutely, positively can't get a BCS bowl bid. Ain't gonna happen.
[quote="HerdZoned"] [quote="DrTorch"] [quote="Falcon Frenzy"] Theres a fine line when we discuss about undefeated teams....I have seen talk on here with people stating that if a team goes undefeated they should automatically go to a BCS.....BUT....Does a team who goes undefeated where there entire schedule is made up of
[quote="DrTorch"] [quote="HerdZoned"] [quote="DrTorch"] [quote="Falcon Frenzy"] Theres a fine line when we discuss about undefeated teams....I have seen talk on here with people stating that if a team goes undefeated they should automatically go to a BCS.....BUT....Does a team who goes undefeated where there entire schedule is made up of
