Quote:``You want to be careful about too long of a playoff system; it's not like the NFL.'' Kent State's Dean Pees said. ``Everybody talks about Division I-AA and II, but I don't remember seeing any other games on TV other than the championship.''
Here is a link..........
<a href='http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaaf/news;_ylc=X3oDMTBpMmgzc2pzBF9TAzk1ODYyMzAwBHNlYwN0aA--?slug=ap-coachesmeeting&prov=ap&type=lgns' target='_blank'>Yea Kent State why dont you make things a little more hard. </a>
I mean are these guys robots??
Do they have nuts?
You certainly don't want to say anything that might come back to haunt you when you apply for the BCS job. :rolleyes:
MU ATO Wrote:Quote:``You want to be careful about too long of a playoff system; it's not like the NFL.'' Kent State's Dean Pees said. ``Everybody talks about Division I-AA and II, but I don't remember seeing any other games on TV other than the championship.''
Here is a link..........
<a href='http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaaf/news;_ylc=X3oDMTBpMmgzc2pzBF9TAzk1ODYyMzAwBHNlYwN0aA--?slug=ap-coachesmeeting&prov=ap&type=lgns' target='_blank'>Yea Kent State why dont you make things a little more hard. </a>
I mean are these guys robots??
Do they have nuts?
Its Kent, What more do you expect form these guys
They haven't saw post season in so long they have forgotten it existed so why a Play-off
MAKO Wrote:You certainly don't want to say anything that might come back to haunt you when you apply for the BCS job. :rolleyes:
I don't know if that's it.
I think there are legitimate cases that MAC coaches (and fans) can make against a I-AA-style playoff system.
As a Bowling Green fan, I know my season ended much better than it might have with a playoff system. The Falcons weren't going to make any playoff this year, which really would have changed how our performance was perceived this year.
I'll admit, I don't grasp MAC coaches' occasional defense of the BCS faux "championship."
I wonder if the $1 million in hush money that flows from the BCS to non-BCS is a bigger factor than future employment opportunities. Does that money come with strings? Is there a contract that calls on league officials to be supportive in their public statements?
Very interesting editing, MU ATO. Glad a read more of the article than you posted.
Quote:All the coaches favored making only small adjustments to the current system rather than junking it for a radical solution, such as a playoff
Besides, the Herd has enough to worry about. Don't add this to your list.
Schadenfreude Wrote:As a Bowling Green fan, I know my season ended much better than it might have with a playoff system. The Falcons weren't going to make any playoff this year, which really would have changed how our performance was perceived this year.
The thing is, why couldn't we have a playoff combined with the traditional bowl system? We could keep the minor bowls and play them during the middle of the week like they mostly already are and each of the individual playoff games could also be a bowl. With a 16 team playoff you have 15 different bowls. They could rotate the championship game with the 4 major bowls similar to how the BCS works now. You keep the minor bowls to give everyone more football to watch during the week and the Bowling Green's or whoever of the world end their season on a happy note if they win their minor bowl game.
HerdKixButt Wrote:Schadenfreude Wrote:As a Bowling Green fan, I know my season ended much better than it might have with a playoff system. The Falcons weren't going to make any playoff this year, which really would have changed how our performance was perceived this year.
The thing is, why couldn't we have a playoff combined with the traditional bowl system? We could keep the minor bowls and play them during the middle of the week like they mostly already are and each of the individual playoff games could also be a bowl. With a 16 team playoff you have 15 different bowls. They could rotate the championship game with the 4 major bowls similar to how the BCS works now. You keep the minor bowls to give everyone more football to watch during the week and the Bowling Green's or whoever of the world end their season on a happy note if they win their minor bowl game.
Actually, it's not just a middle of the week thing.
Your last playoff game (presumably NYD) would be the only game that day. But, folks are used to 5 games that day. Play other bowls that day.
Like you said, 15 games for the playoff, and keep 8 more bowls, and you have 23 games (close to what they have now) and 32 teams that get to the post-season. Very reasonable.
I still have a sheet showing this season's playoff bracket combined w/ keeping bowls.
I don't believe you can have it both ways. Many bowls already have trouble convincing people they have any meaning. Add a playoff system and people would stay away from bowls in droves. They could exist, yes, but the difference between playoffs games and bowls would be akin to the difference between the NCAA tourney and the NIT. Preferable to not playing, but roundly dismissed by fans and media alike.
As for Pees, does he think every single playoff game has to be nationally televised? Sweet 16 NCAA hoops games are only regionally televised.
I am of the opinion that a playoff system in IA would not benefit the MAC......no way they'll go to a 16 team IAA model. Most likely would be a one game playoff (which doesn't really affect us or the current BCS set-up that much), or perhaps a 2 game series max. Any serious proposal will not have the MAC in mind, believe me.
I feel our best opportunity is to get the BCS to open up a 5th bowl so that highly ranked (i.e. 99 Marshall and 03 Miami) get an opportunity to participate. Also, we need to get a few more dribs and drabs of all that $$ being generated so we can continue to invest in our football programs and be competitive.
Also, not to harp but of course we need a 3rd bowl for the MAC..........look what having that second bowl did for BG this year. It was the key to being ranked at year's end, and gave the conference a lot of positive press.
MacLord Wrote:I don't believe you can have it both ways. Many bowls already have trouble convincing people they have any meaning. Add a playoff system and people would stay away from bowls in droves. They could exist, yes, but the difference between playoffs games and bowls would be akin to the difference between the NCAA tourney and the NIT. Preferable to not playing, but roundly dismissed by fans and media alike.
I disagree for a few reasons:
1. There isn't the same competition against the bowls as the NIT. NIT obviously means less than the NCAA tourney, but they are the same format. Bowls are a unique format and stand on their own as an interesting game. They also allow 8 bowl "champs", whereas the NIT eliminates every team but one.
2. The bowls could fill the vacuum of programming. NYD w/ only 1 game would be sad. NYD w/ 5 games is good. In contrast the NIT crowds an already full schedule, and just tries to squeeze in games on weeknights. This causes a confusing schedule w/ no standardization, and little time for travel. Bowls OTOH, would be scheduled on set days: Xmas, NYE, NYD, maintaining tradition, and allowing folks to schedule travel. They also coincide nicely w/ vacation times.
3. Bowls get local support. Again, this coincides w/ the scheduling, but Bowls do well w/ local support. They also match up w/ parades and other holiday festivities...which the NIT cannot do.
There are really only a couple bowls that feature parades and a whole lot of festivities. Regardless, Torch, your points are well taken, but my main point in comparing to the NIT is a psychological one. What bowls have now is that they remain invested with meaning in the public consciousness. As more and more bowls are added, this has become less the case, but it's still there. BG won the Motor City Bowl, beating a .500 Northwestern team, but it was a bowl, and it mattered. Ask the majority of players and coaches what their goal is, and they would say, "to get to a bowl".
A playoff would severely diminish the cachet of going to a bowl. If a playoff is instituted, ask players and coaches what their goal is then? "Get to the playoffs." Bowls turn from rewards into consolation prizes, and attract less and less support.
I really hate any of these half-way, compromise solutions.
Personally, I'd rather see a straight playoff system like div 1aa, or a return to the old bowl system, including strict limitations on the number of tie-ins the bowls can sign with conferences.
Given it's unlikely any of the heavies of college football are going to accept a return to the days of yore, just go ahead and establish the playoff system.
Yes, I know the playoff system would probably only feature one MAC team, but so what? The current system, which allows dozens of unworthy teams to participate in the post-season while worthy teams stay home is much more hamrful to the MAC in terms of recruiting, pr etc.
IMO, it's much more egregious that Northwestern, UCLA, Georgia Tech, NC State and Tulsa DO participate in the post-season than that NIU, Toledo, Marshall and UConn don't.
Even if you take out the top 16 teams, you can still get some good matchups for bowl games. Just looking at the final AP poll, the following teams are outside the top 16 (including "others receiving votes):
Maryland, Purdue, Nebraska, Minnesota, Utah, Clemson, BUGS, Florida, TCU, Oklahoma State, Arkansas, Virginia, NIU, Auburn, Oregon State, Pitt, NC State, WVU and UConn.
Add in the coaches poll and you've also got:
North Texas, Missouri, Michigan State, Memphis, Cal, Boston College, Marshall, Virginia, Texas Tech, Southern Miss, Hawaii and Fresno State.
I won't sit here and argue that those matchups carry the same panache as an Oklahoma/LSU game but then neither did BUGS/NW. My point is that, even taking the top 16 teams out of the equation, you can still get some good games that would be supported locally, that would get fans of each school excited, and that would be watched on television. You could even use the same bowl venues for the playoff games and erase the objection regarding the local economy impact of the bowls.
Unfortunately, there will never be a true playoff in I-A.
Don't want to rain on your parade guys, but I have been following YSU for quite sometime. Theres no argument here between a National Championship and the Motor city Bowl . The bowl loses everytime. MAC plays chump Bowls , but at least its incentive and reward for the players. $$$ is the HOLY GRAIL for the BCS prostitutes and this years NC was a farce. Take your shots , but the play-off system works and National Champs beats The TUNA FISH BOWL any day of the week !!!!!!
paladin1aa Wrote:Don't want to rain on your parade guys, but I have been following YSU for quite sometime. Theres no argument here between a National Championship and the Motor city Bowl . The bowl loses everytime. MAC plays chump Bowls , but at least its incentive and reward for the players. $$$ is the HOLY GRAIL for the BCS prostitutes and this years NC was a farce. Take your shots , but the play-off system works and National Champs beats The TUNA FISH BOWL any day of the week !!!!!!
If YSU is all that, they should move up and play in big boy league, maybe then they will be able sit at the adult table for Thanksgiving.
Come out and play, Penguin boys!
MacLord Wrote:There are really only a couple bowls that feature parades and a whole lot of festivities. Regardless, Torch, your points are well taken, but my main point in comparing to the NIT is a psychological one. What bowls have now is that they remain invested with meaning in the public consciousness. As more and more bowls are added, this has become less the case, but it's still there. BG won the Motor City Bowl, beating a .500 Northwestern team, but it was a bowl, and it mattered. Ask the majority of players and coaches what their goal is, and they would say, "to get to a bowl".
A playoff would severely diminish the cachet of going to a bowl. If a playoff is instituted, ask players and coaches what their goal is then? "Get to the playoffs." Bowls turn from rewards into consolation prizes, and attract less and less support.
MacLord, that's absoluely true.
But, I think keeping a cap of 23 games preserves enough of the "scarcity".
Consider, college football used to have a situation much like you describe. A conference had
one bowl it could go to, and that was for the champion. So, teams had one goal: Rose, Sugar, Cotton or whatever bowl.
Then they started adding bowls. Folks still care about going to the Rose Bowl...but they cheerfully accept a Sun Bowl invite as better than nothing.
That's why I think it could work. I'll try to re-post my "bracket" and other games later...it's on another computer.
Based on these meetings, Sporting News predicts that adding a 5th BCS bowl (with a guaranteed slot for the top ranked non-BCS in hte BCS poll power rankings) may be in the offing by 2006. The thought is that the top 3-4 non BCS bowls will bid for it. That would be the Gator, Cotton, and Citrus, etc. The payout for the 5th bowl would be half that of the other BCS bowls. If in effect this year, Miami would've been in a BCS bowl.
Herd --- I don't call the MAC a "big boy league". I like the MAC & its sports ,but you are hardly at the "adult table ' playing for the scraps you get. Knock off the class warfare. Playing for the National Championship always beats playing in minor bowls. Always will !! There is no knock intended for the MAC. But outside of 2 or 3 teams per year, the MAC doesn't command much respect nationally. Thus even your best teams get at best a very minor bowl game or two. I'm not jiving you. The thrill of a National Championship playing thru a National Tournament beats a minor bowl hands down. Been there, done that and want to do it again and again and again............ :)
paladin1aa Wrote:Herd --- I don't call the MAC a "big boy league". I like the MAC & its sports ,but you are hardly at the "adult table ' playing for the scraps you get. Knock off the class warfare. Playing for the National Championship always beats playing in minor bowls. Always will !! There is no knock intended for the MAC. But outside of 2 or 3 teams per year, the MAC doesn't command much respect nationally. Thus even your best teams get at best a very minor bowl game or two. I'm not jiving you. The thrill of a National Championship playing thru a National Tournament beats a minor bowl hands down. Been there, done that and want to do it again and again and again............ :)
No class warfare here! Watched many a 1AA playoff game. Watched our two teams battle it out for the championship 3 straight years. Watched my team move up to bigger and better things because we realized we had outgrown the 1AA division. Do you really think playing in front of 15K in Chattanooga is better than 50K at the new Ford Field in Detroit? The MAC may not be the true 'big time' but it's a lot bigger than the small pond your shark makes its home in, trust me on that--from someone who has followed my team from both sides of the fence.
MU ATO Wrote:Quote:``You want to be careful about too long of a playoff system; it's not like the NFL.'' Kent State's Dean Pees said. ``Everybody talks about Division I-AA and II, but I don't remember seeing any other games on TV other than the championship.''
I know I watched the quarterfinals and semifinals for DI-AA this year on Fox Sports.