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No changes from last week.

1. Kent State (Last week 1)
2. Cincinnati (2)
3. Dayton (6)
4. Toledo (4)
5. Miami (5)
6. Xavier (6)
7. Wright State (7)
8. Akron (8)
9. Ohio State (9)
10. Bowling Green (10)

My Rankings.....

1. Cincinnati- Has hit a couple of road bumps in C-USA, but had a big win over Louisville on saturday. Only 1 game out of first in C-USA
2. Kent State- The best team in the MAC continues to roll and gets an impressive victory over Creighton on bracket buster saturday.
3. Dayton- The Flyers have lost 3 of their last 4 but are still a lock for the NCAA tourney.
4. Xavier- One of the hottest teams in the nation, the Muskies have won 6 straight including wins over Dayton, Cincy, and Richmond.
5. Ohio State- A win at Indiana is one of the few bright moments in an otherwise disappointing season.
6. Miami- Hawks beat SMS in bracket buster and have won 3 in a row.
7. Toledo- Losers of 3 straight and 4 of their last 5
8. Wright State- tied for 2nd in the Horizon League with 2 games left, they will be a serious contender in the Horizone League tournament.
9. Bowling Green- after a slow start to the season BG has turned it around and has been decent in conference play
10. Akron- continues to struggle losing to Drake in the bracket buster. Now in last place in the East.
11. Ohio- Is playing better lately having won 4 of 7 and only losing by 1 in road games at Miami and Butler.
12. Youngstown State- Beating first place UW-Milwaukee was one of the biggest upsets of the season but since then the Penguins have returned to their losing ways.
13. Cleveland State- Will the Vikings go winless in the Horizon League? It's looking that way with their remaining two games on the road.

BuckeyeStu Wrote:My Rankings.....

1. Cincinnati- Has hit a couple of road bumps in C-USA, but had a big win over Louisville on saturday. Only 1 game out of first in C-USA
2. Kent State- The best team in the MAC continues to roll and gets an impressive victory over Creighton on bracket buster saturday.
3. Dayton- The Flyers have lost 3 of their last 4 but are still a lock for the NCAA tourney.
4. Xavier- One of the hottest teams in the nation, the Muskies have won 6 straight including wins over Dayton, Cincy, and Richmond.
5. Ohio State- A win at Indiana is one of the few bright moments in an otherwise disappointing season.
6. Miami- Hawks beat SMS in bracket buster and have won 3 in a row.
7. Toledo- Losers of 3 straight and 4 of their last 5
8. Wright State- tied for 2nd in the Horizon League with 2 games left, they will be a serious contender in the Horizone League tournament.
9. Bowling Green- after a slow start to the season BG has turned it around and has been decent in conference play
10. Akron- continues to struggle losing to Drake in the bracket buster. Now in last place in the East.
11. Ohio- Is playing better lately having won 4 of 7 and only losing by 1 in road games at Miami and Butler.
12. Youngstown State- Beating first place UW-Milwaukee was one of the biggest upsets of the season but since then the Penguins have returned to their losing ways.
12. Cleveland State- Will the Vikings go winless in the Horizon League? It's looking that way with their remaining two games on the road.

You put OSU at 5th because you beat Indiana? Have you seen Indiana this year?

I agree with Sticks rankings. OSU is 9th where they belong.

No, I have Ohio State 5th because they are the 5th best team in the state of Ohio. I agree that Ohio State is having an awful year, but the other Ohio Schools are also having down years outside of the top 4.

Somebody had to win the Louisville-UC game. It didn't look like either would win--or could beat anyone-- in the first half. Maybe they straightened themselves out of their funks as the game progressed.
Earlier in the year, I would have agreed with you about UC. They are very beatable now.

Cincy looks very beatable right but a lot of that has to do with the competition they are facing right now. C-USA is deeper than ever this year and could get as many as 6 teams in the NCAA tournament. This isn't meant as a knock at the MAC but if Cincy were playing Kent St.'s schedule they would probably still be undefeated. There is no doubt in my mind that Cincy is the best team in the state, but I really do like this Kent St. team and hope they can get in the NCAA tourney and make a run again like they did two years ago.

I'd move OSU up to #7 (ahead of Wright and Akron) if it were my poll. C-USA is quite deep this year (although I see 4-5 bids more likely), but of course most of their depth (i.e. UL, UC, Marquette, DePaul, St. Louis, etc.) leaves the conference in the next year or two. A slight quibble (because I'm admittedly biased), but UT is kind of reeling and I'd put Miami ahead of them now.

Don't know what'll happen, but WMU and Kent should definitely get NCAA invites this year.

BuckeyeStu Wrote:This isn't meant as a knock at the MAC but if Cincy were playing Kent St.'s schedule they would probably still be undefeated.

But if the Bearcats played Akron's schedule, they would have two losses to Kent.

BuckeyeStu Wrote:No, I have Ohio State 5th because they are the 5th best team in the state of Ohio. I agree that Ohio State is having an awful year, but the other Ohio Schools are also having down years outside of the top 4.

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Stu, give it up. Ohio A&M is pathetic this year. PATHETIC. Ninth place in stick's poll is generous.

Of course, if Ohio A&M would grow a pair and play a couple of Ohio schools, we might have more to base this on...but until they do, Sagarin is about the most objective source we have...and he says that Ohio A&M is 142, WELL behind Kent, Toledo, and Miami. The Aggies are also behind Michigan, Michigan State, AND Western Michigan, which must make Stu all kinds of happy...because Ohio A&M would be better off in competing in Michigan where they would actually be fifth (Detroit Mercy even has better Sagarins than the Aggies) than in Ohio were fifth best is simply a daydream.

RedSteve Wrote:Stu, give it up. Ohio A&M is pathetic this year. PATHETIC. Ninth place in stick's poll is generous.

Of course, if Ohio A&M would grow a pair and play a couple of Ohio schools, we might have more to base this on...

This is the one that gets me....OSU will not play anyone from Ohio but schedules Dartmouth, Coppin State and Maryland-Baltimore Co.

C'mon Buckeys! Play some Ohio schools. Hell, I'd pay the overinflated ticket price to see BG beat OSU at the Value City Arena! Ya play us in football, baseball, softball, hockey (CCHA) and all these other sports. Why not hoops?? :rolleyes:

I think we all know why....Rockette fans...didn't UT beat OSU 64-63 a few years ago at Savage? I believe that was the last time OSU played a school from Ohio. If I am mistaken, anyone know?

GO FALCONS!!

I believe that is the case. If they don't play us, they have the plausible deniability with recruits that "Ohio A&M would never lose to another Ohio school." If they play us, they might actually be tested against that claim.

Interestingly, Miami and Ohio A&M had an agreement in principle in the early 90s (after our NIT victory over the aggies in 91.) for a home-and-home...most likely a favor from Randy Ayers to his alma mater. However, the Oxford portion of that agreement was later taken off the schedule by the aggies...followed shortly by the disappearance of the series altogether by the Miami administration. There is simply no reason for us to play A&M in Cow-town only.

I think it is ironic that you will bash the computers in football but then turn around and cite them a clear as day proof the Miami is a better basketball team than Ohio State.

I agree with you all on the scheduling part though. Andy Geiger needs to start scheduling in state schools in basketball. Im refusing to buy nonconference basketball tickets again until we start playing our fellow Ohio schools.

To the contrary! Miami was in the top 5-6 in the country in some of the computer rankings. It's the BCS system that's screwed up, as they demonstrate often.

Falconfreak90 Wrote:I think we all know why....Rockette fans...didn't UT beat OSU 64-63 a few years ago at Savage?&nbsp; I believe that was the last time OSU played a school from Ohio.&nbsp; If I am mistaken, anyone know?

Yep, it was the year OSU went to the Final Four. UT beat them in Savage, I'm not sure the exact score, but that looks close. I was the sole Rocket fan in a sea of angry Bucks at a BW-3 in Columbus that day.

In fact, I believe we beat the year before that as well, in Columbus.

BuckeyeStu Wrote:I think it is ironic that you will bash the computers in football but then turn around and cite them a clear as day proof the Miami is a better basketball team than Ohio State.

Did I bash the computers at all during football season, Mr Aggie Apologist? Were you even here during the football season, or were you hanging out on BuckNutz or some other fine Aggie establishment?

As Axeme said, the computers said my alma mater should have been playing in a BCS bowl; it was the pollsters who said otherwise. Further, it was my alma mater that has the BCS big wigs rethinking the importance of the computers to make sure they don't fsck with their monopoly.

As for Sagarin, his ratings are remarkably accurate, particularly in basketball when he has a much larger sample size to work with. (And yes, that is in contrast with the RPI which is less of an indicator of future success as it is an indicator of how a team has performed over the course of the year.) Further, it's not like I'm splitting hairs when I say that Sagarin has the Aggies rated lower than Miami, Kent, Toledo, or any of the other schools I cited. The Suckeyes aren't within 50 places -- 1/6 of D-I basketball teams -- of Miami. And Miami is the weakest of the 6 other Ohio teams (UC, XU, UD, KSU, UT) that are in Sagarin's top 100.

A win over the weakest Indiana team in three generations doesn't do anything to counterbalance that.