I'd actually say there is some truth here. But, if this guy thinks UConn will stay ahead of PSU for long, then he's a bigger dope than I ever believed.
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Connecticut, Rutgers, Pittsburgh and West Virginia have a lawsuit claiming Miami and Boston College conspired to weaken the Big East by leaving for the ACC. Programs aren't weakened by other programs; they're strengthened by winning. Should West Virginia have one of those magical seasons, go unbeaten and play in the BCS title game -- don't laugh, it might happen this fall -- that will do more for the health of a program and the league than the Big East bully staying around. Should UConn win two of the next three Big East championships, those two BCS appearances will help the Huskies hop in the passing lane with Pittsburgh and roll right past Penn State in the Northeast recruiting wars.
The Big East is where the ACC was before Florida State joined in 1992: It's one of the nation's best basketball conferences and the worst major football conference. So what? Two years before FSU joined the ACC, Georgia Tech won a share of the national title.
It's not good for the collective ego, but the quality-of-life index in the Big East rose when the Canes left town. The league never was going to get two teams in the BCS, anyway, and it won't lose any of its bowl tie-ins. The only uncertainty is the value of television contracts; ESPN is trying to restructure its remaining four years with the Big East because of the shakeup.
But winning eventually will cure those ills, too. And if it doesn't, you better believe the BCS honchos won't leave their brethren hooked to life support. The BCS administrators easily could have taken away the Big East's automatic bid but decided against it. At some point, if the Big East is failing, those same men who control college football might take drastic measures and give Notre Dame an ultimatum.
The Irish are part of the party because BCS administrators allow it. With Notre Dame interest at an all-time low -- don't be surprised if NBC tries to renegotiate its contract with the school next year after another subpar Irish season -- what better way to re-energize a program and a league than a marriage of convenience?
Losing Miami is the best thing that ever happened to the Big East. It's just going to take time and vision to see it through.
Staff writer Matt Hayes covers college football for Sporting News. Email him at mhayes@sportingnews.com and include your name and location.
DrTorch Wrote:I'd actually say there is some truth here. But, if this guy thinks UConn will stay ahead of PSU for long, then he's a bigger dope than I ever believed.
Quote:*snip* (He just repeats himself anyway)
Connecticut, Rutgers, Pittsburgh and West Virginia have a lawsuit claiming Miami and Boston College conspired to weaken the Big East by leaving for the ACC. Programs aren't weakened by other programs; they're strengthened by winning. Should West Virginia have one of those magical seasons, go unbeaten and play in the BCS title game -- don't laugh, it might happen this fall -- that will do more for the health of a program and the league than the Big East bully staying around. Should UConn win two of the next three Big East championships, those two BCS appearances will help the Huskies hop in the passing lane with Pittsburgh and roll right past Penn State in the Northeast recruiting wars.
The Big East is where the ACC was before Florida State joined in 1992: It's one of the nation's best basketball conferences and the worst major football conference. So what? Two years before FSU joined the ACC, Georgia Tech won a share of the national title.
It's not good for the collective ego, but the quality-of-life index in the Big East rose when the Canes left town. The league never was going to get two teams in the BCS, anyway, and it won't lose any of its bowl tie-ins. The only uncertainty is the value of television contracts; ESPN is trying to restructure its remaining four years with the Big East because of the shakeup.
But winning eventually will cure those ills, too. And if it doesn't, you better believe the BCS honchos won't leave their brethren hooked to life support. The BCS administrators easily could have taken away the Big East's automatic bid but decided against it. At some point, if the Big East is failing, those same men who control college football might take drastic measures and give Notre Dame an ultimatum.
The Irish are part of the party because BCS administrators allow it. With Notre Dame interest at an all-time low -- don't be surprised if NBC tries to renegotiate its contract with the school next year after another subpar Irish season -- what better way to re-energize a program and a league than a marriage of convenience?
Losing Miami is the best thing that ever happened to the Big East. It's just going to take time and vision to see it through.
Staff writer Matt Hayes covers college football for Sporting News. Email him at mhayes@sportingnews.com and include your name and location.
Sonmeone thinks that UCONN will out recruit Penn State???
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MU ATO Wrote:Sonmeone thinks that UCONN will out recruit Penn State???
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It could happen if Joe Pa keeps on refusing to let go.
FunkmasterFlash Wrote:MU ATO Wrote:Sonmeone thinks that UCONN will out recruit Penn State???
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It could happen if Joe Pa keeps on refusing to let go.
You might have a point, but a chance to play in the Big 10 beating out a chance to play in the Big East???
Yea right
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Forget UConn out recruiting Penn State, the whole MAC has been out recruiting Penn State. Whoever is putting the drugs into Paternos prune juice that lets Paterno still think he is good enough to coach should stop so he will retire.
IMO, the Irish will join the Big East before they join any other football conference. But it will be a last resort.
I don't think the ND - Big Ten hook up is ever going to happen, despite Big 10 dreams. Remember, ND is a private school with only 12,000 students. Only NU and Michigan are in its academic league; and only NU is similarly situated as a private school.
As far of "lack of interest", all I know is we make a donation every year to earn the right to be part of the alumni lottery for ND football tickets. This means we pay in full for as many games as we hoped to get selected for by May 15, with most having a 2 or 4 ticket limit. They keep our check until about Labor Day, when we are notified of which games we "won" . We submit for all home games every year and never have received more than two. I dream of Kent State football having a fraction of this same "lack of interest."
Ty gets at least five years at ND. He promised a West Coast style offense and will get the full cycle to recruit and try to pull it off.
Now back to the MAC
Bronco stampede Wrote:Forget UConn out recruiting Penn State, the whole MAC has been out recruiting Penn State. Whoever is putting the drugs into Paternos prune juice that lets Paterno still think he is good enough to coach should stop so he will retire.
Paterno has more than earned the right to go out as he sees fit...even if he takes PSU with him. The throttling at the hands of Toledo ~5 years ago was the start of the end. Penn State is just a shell of what they were just 10 years ago.
UConn passing PSU in recruiting...completely feasible should PSU continue their downward trend and UConn "win two of the next three Big East championships."
...but I certainly wouldn't put my money on the latter part of that statement. Then again, all PSU would have to do is hire a big name coach to turn around recruiting...I'm sure Rick Neuheisel will still be looking for a job. (we already have more than our own fair share of 2nd chance coaches in CUSA
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I think the article makes some great points, though I don't know where the "UConn can outrecruit Penn State" comment came from. I really believe that one of the reasons the Big East schools outside of Miami struggled was because they were to conservative. They had Miami to carry the load. Now we'll see the Big East schools pick it up especially on the recruiting trail. One advantage that the Big East has is that it's practically wide open as far as competing for a conference title, BCS bowl and national title. The Big East may not be able to outrecruit Big Ten schools straight up but get recruits who are on the fence. As far as Joe Paterno being allowed to leave on his own if he wants and bringing Penn State with him, as much good as he has done one man is NOT bigger then a University. He might have put the university on the map but that doesn't give him free reigns to drag it into the ground. That's like saying the people who built the Statue of Liberty have every right to tear it back down if they want to.
FlashFan Wrote:IMO, the Irish will join the Big East before they join any other football conference. But it will be a last resort.
I don't think the ND - Big Ten hook up is ever going to happen, despite Big 10 dreams. Remember, ND is a private school with only 12,000 students. Only NU and Michigan are in its academic league; and only NU is similarly situated as a private school.
I completely agree. The Big East gives Notre Dame a bunch of advantages. They would shack up in a BCS conference where they would have the run of the place, as far as media attention and treatment is concerned, have full access to the BCS, have established allies in the Big East instead of looking over its shoulder in the Big Ten, would likely be allowed to keep their full television deal, would improve their recruiting by actually being able to use a conference as leverage and still be in a conference that is geographically friendly save for South Florida. And of course the rest of their athletics are already placed in the Big East. It wouldn't surprise me if Notre Dame joins the Big East on a partial basis to maintain its independence at the least.
Any chance of Notre Dame joining the Big East went out the door with Miami(FL.), Va Tech, and BC. Being in a conference is all about the $$$ and the Big Ten's television contract dwarfs that of the Big East. ND will remain independent as long as they have that paycheck from NBC, but if they are ever forced to join a conference then it will be the Big 10.
Get over it, Stu. ND passed on the Big Ten. Its Trustees voted it down. "It's official"- Rejected.
Find another date.
Or, at least discuss this on the Big Ten board where there may be some interest.
DrTorch Wrote:At some point, if the Big East is failing, those same men who control college football might take drastic measures and give Notre Dame an ultimatum.
The Irish are part of the party because BCS administrators allow it. With Notre Dame interest at an all-time low -- don't be surprised if NBC tries to renegotiate its contract with the school next year after another subpar Irish season -- what better way to re-energize a program and a league than a marriage of convenience?
Losing Miami is the best thing that ever happened to the Big East. It's just going to take time and vision to see it through.
1) IF (and that's a big "IF") the BCS ever got tough with Notre Dame and gave them an ultimatum (they won't) - they still wouldn't join the BigEast. They'ld join a premiere conference - not one where they are the only thing keeping it afloat. If they just wanted "any" conference - they'ld build their own with teams they like and could always beat - like Army, Navy etc.
2) NBC already re-upped with Notre Dame and isn't liekly to put the screws to them to join a conference - because the conferences (the BCS ones anyway) are aligned with ABC - not NBC. That would be the bonehead play of the 21st century!
3) "Losing Miami is the best thing that ever happened to the BigEast" Does this even need a comment?
FlashFan Wrote:IMO, the Irish will join the Big East before they join any other football conference. But it will be a last resort.
I don't think the ND - Big Ten hook up is ever going to happen, despite Big 10 dreams. Remember, ND is a private school with only 12,000 students. Only NU and Michigan are in its academic league; and only NU is similarly situated as a private school.
As far of "lack of interest", all I know is we make a donation every year to earn the right to be part of the alumni lottery for ND football tickets. This means we pay in full for as many games as we hoped to get selected for by May 15, with most having a 2 or 4 ticket limit. They keep our check until about Labor Day, when we are notified of which games we "won" . We submit for all home games every year and never have received more than two. I dream of Kent State football having a fraction of this same "lack of interest."
Ty gets at least five years at ND. He promised a West Coast style offense and will get the full cycle to recruit and try to pull it off.
Now back to the MAC
Why would Notre Dame join a small Big Least when they could join the Big 10 which has 100 times the Tradition that the Big Least has???
Not to mention South Bend is right in the middle of Big 10 country.
Notre Dame joining any Conference other than the Big 10 will be looked at a crazy for years to come.
Notre Dame will NEVER join the Big East.
FlashFan Wrote:Get over it, Stu. ND passed on the Big Ten. Its Trustees voted it down. "It's official"- Rejected.
Find another date.
Or, at least discuss this on the Big Ten board where there may be some interest.
You're nuts if you think Notre Dame will ever join the Big East in football.
