Walk-on sophomore DL Joe Kay and Redshirt Freshman TE Terrance Partee are being charged by the Police in the incident at that keg party.
Kay has been charged with felonious assault and has been dismissed from the team. Partee has been charged with assault and has been suspended from the team indefinitely.
That is all, the situation is behind us.
Luckily for UT there weren't any starters suspended, but I still question whether or not that is all. I think you could see a lingering effect of all this on the team, even though there were only 2 players suspended. By the sounds of it, there were more than 2 players there, but only 2 were actually charged with assault. I think this will have an effect on the team's chemistry and focus, but I guess we will find out during UT's first game of the season....
Hey, what about letting the system run its course? What about giving the poor misunderstood boys a second chance? What about the frat boys that were just asking to be knocked senseless?
It's Travesty. And a Sham. And a mockery! A true traveshamockery if I've ever seen one!
Not waiting for the court's due process I see.................how refreshingly decisive. After all, you don't have to end up being guilty of a crime to show enough bad judgement to have your football Coach levy suspensions and possibly expulsions against you, now do you?
P.S. And I'm not necessarily attempting to contrast this with Goddard specifically, because there does seem to be some evidence to suggest that he was accosted by a thug with a gun.......not that it gives him "free reign" to push a police officer several times, mind you. Still, I would think that such an action would warrant some discipline at some point. It will be interesting to see what Pruett does (or doesn't do) when he finds out which players ganged up and pummeled the loud-mouth from OSU-land.
mmmm. . . Do they serve sacrificial lamb with mint jelly at Tony Paco's?
ex Cincy Kid Wrote:Not waiting for the court's due process I see.................how refreshingly responsible. After all, you don't have to end up being guilty of a crime to show enough bad judgement to have your football Coach levy suspensions and possibly expulsions against you, now do you?
P.S. And I'm not necessarily attempting to contrast this with Goddard specifically, because there does seem to be some evidence to suggest that he was accosted by a thug with a gun.......not that it gives him "free reign" to push a police officer several times, mind you. Still, I would think that such an action would warrant some discipline at some point. It will be interesting to see what Pruett does (or doesn't do) when he finds out which players ganged up and pummeled the loud-mouth from OSU-land.
Toledo, under Amstutz, has always had a policy that while a player is in legal trouble (charged with something) they are suspended. Terrance Partee is suspended for that reason at the moment. We will have to see how his legal issues go to see if he will be allowed back on the team.
Joe Kay has been kicked off the team because of the extent of the charges against him and the conversation he and Amstutz had. I hope Kay gets his life in order down the road, but it looks like it won't be as a member of the Rocket football team.
Felonious assault is serious stuff, and warrants expulsion I would say.
This is good news coming out of Toledo. College is a learning experience in many different ways, sometimes the hard way. I hope all of the people involved with this have learned and are able to grow and move forward.
rocketfootball Wrote:Joe Kay has been kicked off the team because of the extent of the charges against him and the conversation he and Amstutz had.
Huh, I wonder what school he could transfer to?
***Ducking***
mu77 Wrote:mmmm. . . Do they serve sacrificial lamb with mint jelly at Tony Paco's?
Toledo Police charged these two players and said their investigation was closed. Are you suggesting that someone else be suspended or booted just so it looks better to our opponents?
Karl Wrote:mu77 Wrote:mmmm. . . Do they serve sacrificial lamb with mint jelly at Tony Paco's?
Toledo Police charged these two players and said their investigation was closed. Are you suggesting that someone else be suspended or booted just so it looks better to our opponents?
Not to mention that from what I heard, most of the starters were no where near that party. If there were any other football players at or near the party, first they weren't involved in the incident and second they were not anyone important.
Sorry, but no sacrifices here. In reality, Terrance Partee might not have been high on the depth chart but next year as a 3rd year sophomore he would have probably been the #2 tight end and started to see playing time. He did have a future here until this happened.
Is it any surprise that the BG fans don't feel justice has been served?
Unreal, the police name two players (and thanks to the media for reporting 20 high profile players originally), and both were disciplined, end of story.
barr_b2 Wrote:Is it any surprise that the BG fans don't feel justice has been served?
Unreal, the police name two players (and thanks to the media for reporting 20 high profile players originally), and both were disciplined, end of story.
First of all...justice has not been served because these guys have not had their day in court yet...funny that UT fans have already condemned these guys simply because they are not starters...would you all be so happy is it were Brucey Gee and Lance Moore, or would you claim their innonence? Either way...you should not be rejoicing for having this happen...it is still a bad thing and has caused horrible press for the University for almost a full week...regardless if the press was accurate or not.
For all we know...these guys may not get convicted of anything.
FWIW...I applaud Amstutz for taking swift action here...but in all honesty...did he have any choice? I guess the only thing I am curious about is if there were other players there that Amstutz knows about and whether they will be disciplined at all for being there even though no one could prove they did anything.
Redwingtom Wrote:funny that UT fans have already condemned these guys simply because they are not starters...would you all be so happy is it were Brucey Gee and Lance Moore, or would you claim their innonence?
As I have already said here, If Bruce or Moore were involved I would have wanted to see the same discipline handed out by Amstutz. I wouldn't have been happy that Bruce and Lance did that, but I would have been fine with the discipline.
It really doesn't matter though, because Bruce and Lance are not that friggin' stupid to mess up their careers.
Finally, no one is rejoicing that the incident happened RWT. We are just happy that our better players were not that stupid to get themselves caught up in anything and we are happy that the originally media accounts were very exaggerated. Be realistic RWT!
Redwingtom Wrote:barr_b2 Wrote:Is it any surprise that the BG fans don't feel justice has been served?
Unreal, the police name two players (and thanks to the media for reporting 20 high profile players originally), and both were disciplined, end of story.
First of all...justice has not been served because these guys have not had their day in court yet...funny that UT fans have already condemned these guys simply because they are not starters...would you all be so happy is it were Brucey Gee and Lance Moore, or would you claim their innonence? Either way...you should not be rejoicing for having this happen...it is still a bad thing and has caused horrible press for the University for almost a full week...regardless if the press was accurate or not.
For all we know...these guys may not get convicted of anything.
FWIW...I applaud Amstutz for taking swift action here...but in all honesty...did he have any choice? I guess the only thing I am curious about is if there were other players there that Amstutz knows about and whether they will be disciplined at all for being there even though no one could prove they did anything.
Players do not have the constitutional right to play football, like many Herd fans believe. In addition, Amstutz knows what happened, and obviously thought it was serious enough to warrant suspension/dismissal.
And MU77, as soon as Pruett suspends ANYONE from a real game, you can take the moral high-ground.
IULurker Wrote:rocketfootball Wrote:Joe Kay has been kicked off the team because of the extent of the charges against him and the conversation he and Amstutz had.
Huh, I wonder what school he could transfer to?
***Ducking***
Is he a good athlete
Redwingtom Wrote:First of all...justice has not been served because these guys have not had their day in court yet...funny that UT fans have already condemned these guys simply because they are not starters...would you all be so happy is it were Brucey Gee and Lance Moore, or would you claim their innonence? Either way...you should not be rejoicing for having this happen...it is still a bad thing and has caused horrible press for the University for almost a full week...regardless if the press was accurate or not.
For all we know...these guys may not get convicted of anything.
FWIW...I applaud Amstutz for taking swift action here...but in all honesty...did he have any choice? I guess the only thing I am curious about is if there were other players there that Amstutz knows about and whether they will be disciplined at all for being there even though no one could prove they did anything.
Yes, I'm thrilled that two players got kicked off the team because they were idiots. :rolleyes:
The bad press did not spread outside of Northwest Ohio, never made ESPN, CFN or even the Dispatch. So, that's not really a concern either.
I'm sure the Blade's crack invesitgative staff will solve the mystery of the players who were there but that Amstutz is not punishing because no one can prove they were there. After all they did say that 15-20 high profile players were there, so it must be true.
barr_b2 Wrote:Redwingtom Wrote:First of all...justice has not been served because these guys have not had their day in court yet...funny that UT fans have already condemned these guys simply because they are not starters...would you all be so happy is it were Brucey Gee and Lance Moore, or would you claim their innonence? Either way...you should not be rejoicing for having this happen...it is still a bad thing and has caused horrible press for the University for almost a full week...regardless if the press was accurate or not.
For all we know...these guys may not get convicted of anything.
FWIW...I applaud Amstutz for taking swift action here...but in all honesty...did he have any choice? I guess the only thing I am curious about is if there were other players there that Amstutz knows about and whether they will be disciplined at all for being there even though no one could prove they did anything.
Yes, I'm thrilled that two players got kicked off the team because they were idiots. :rolleyes:
The bad press did not spread outside of Northwest Ohio, never made ESPN, CFN or even the Dispatch. So, that's not really a concern either.
I'm sure the Blade's crack invesitgative staff will solve the mystery of the players who were there but that Amstutz is not punishing because no one can prove they were there. After all they did say that 15-20 high profile players were there, so it must be true.
It was posted on the Minnesota board-Gopher Hole.The overhyped reporting has done more damage than the actual incident.
"And MU77, as soon as Pruett suspends ANYONE from a real game, you can take the moral high-ground. "
I must admit, I was a little surprised in Pruett's decision to rescind Goddard's suspension. I will also admit that I am somewhat uncomfortable that additional names have not surfaced and punishments announced.
However, IF there were other, higher profile players involved in the Toledo incident, then Amstutz action to dismiss a walkon is a cynical and callous ploy intended to defuse public criticism, nothing more. In my book that transcinds Pruett's transgressions by a wide margin.
For better or worse, 'Stutz has a consistent policy of suspending players pending disposition of criminal cases against them and has held to it on several occasions over the last four years. We don't know if he has practiced depth-chart justice because we don't yet know whether Toledo police intend to charge or will charge any of UT's better players.
IF that happens and 'Stutz takes a powder on his long-standing policy, then I will agree with you. Until we know whether other players will be charged, you're just trying to create an issue that hasn't arisen.
I wasn't all that surprised that Pruett reversed course on Goddard. His policy (such as it is) has been very different from UT's, and it would not surprise me to learn that MUg's counsel advised him not to change it retroactively with respect to Goddard. My issue is -- and has always been -- that the MUg athletic department permits such a lax disciplinary policy for its athletes.