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I don't want to hear from any more "self righteous" "mac" programs that Marshall is the only team with problems.

At least we're not being investigated for .............murder?!?!

Here's the link:

<a href='http://www.9and10news.com/news/story.asp?StoryID=36618' target='_blank'>http://www.9and10news.com/news/story.asp?StoryID=36618</a>

:eek: What the hell is going on in the MAC this off-season?

For those who didn't already know, this incident happened in late June. The police have been puzzlingly slow in their investigation, although things have advanced a bit since the Michigan State Police joined the effort.


Basically, what's known is this: the victim and a friend exited Shaboom's, a bar near downtown Mt. Pleasant. Most reports I've heard stated that the victim's friend and he began picking a fight with the friend of a CMU player. Alcohol may have been (probably was, IMO) involved. There was a brief skirmish, during which the victim was knocked down but not seriously hurt. Then he got up, started to walk away...and all hell broke loose. A mob of unknown persons drove him to the ground and began punching and kicking him. He was taken to the hospital in a coma and died a couple weeks (I think) later from serious head trauma.

It is known that 11 CMU players have been questioned, along with at least 39 other individuals. Police have stated that they're still waiting for other potential witnesses to come forward, as between 70 and 100 people are thought to have been in the vicinity of the brawl. The police have their work cut out for them IMO, having to interview so many people...and let's not forget that this was at closing time for the bar, so many people were probably tired and/or in varying states of intoxication.

Quote:A spokesperson for Central Michigan University says an athlete can face dismissal from the school if charged and convicted.

Just thought I'd highlight that quote from the article. First of all, no CMU players have even been named as suspects by police. In point of fact, police are refusing to name anyone as a suspect right now. However, coach Brian Kelly has already stated that any player who is charged with a crime related to the beating death will be suspended from the team. Get that, Thunderstruck? CMU players have also been told by coaches that particular bar is now off-limits, and it's been made clear the coaches are disappointed players were there at closing time.


Oh, and for the record: I haven't been one of those ragging on Marshall for what happened in the Arden/Goddard incident. Nor do I intend to become one. CMU fans are hoping that if any CMU players contributed to the death, they are charged before the season, so the rest of the team can get on with the business of football.

I feel for you guys, after having to deal with just a few days of uncertainty with the Toledo incident. You would think the police could figure this out so you guys can move on.

Good luck Chips!

MAN!!! Ever since Marshall came into this league!!

Roberto Gato Wrote:MAN!!! Ever since Marshall came into this league!!

Football players getting into trouble is something that is happening everywhere and it is getting worse and worse. Nevada has had a ton of players arrested in the last year. Even though this is a smaller issue, they have four more players that just got arrested.

<a href='http://www.rgj.com/news/stories/html/2004/08/23/78741.php?sp1=rgj&sp2=Sports&sp3=Sports&sp5=RGJ.com&sp6=news&sp7=sports&jsmultitag=news.rgj.com/news/sp' target='_blank'>4 Nevada Players Arrested</a>


And that is just one example. I don't understand what has been going on, but to me it seems like things are just getting bad the last few years.

Quote:As the players begin to disperse, Martin calls out again. "Remember -- it's easy to get into a bad situation. It is not so easy to get out of it."&nbsp; Close of a lecture from Doug Martin to the Flashes.

The thing that strikes me with all of the off season problems this year is the lack of judgement on the part of those involved. From Cribbs thinking he could store some pot, to players in bar fights, to thinking "my drunk buddy wants me to go start some fight at a frat house...geez, get a clue!

If Marshall fans feel picked on, perhaps that would stop if there were an occasional acknowledgement that someone just phucked up and did something stupid, instead of the litany of excuses, claims of harassment and highlighting who did something "worse". That does appear to set Herd fans apart on this board.

rocketfootball Wrote:And that is just one example. I don't understand what has been going on, but to me it seems like things are just getting bad the last few years.

They've been watching too much MTV, and believe that's how "thugs" should act.

If anything positive comes out of these stories, it's that Sports Darwinism is taking place. Once the assorted hotheads and losers get tossed out of school and sent home (minus a free state-paid scholarship or any shot at the pros), this allows a spot open for a kid with a good head on his shoulders to reap the benefits.

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Quote:And that is just one example. I don't understand what has been going on, but to me it seems like things are just getting bad the last few years.

They've been watching too much MTV, and believe that's how "thugs" should act.

If anything positive comes out of these stories, it's that Sports Darwinism is taking place. Once the assorted hotheads and losers get tossed out of school and sent home (minus a free state-paid scholarship or any shot at the pros), this allows a spot open for a kid with a good head on his shoulders to reap the benefits.

When a school full of questionable recruits wins the conference the "bar is raised". Players of the same caliber fill the void -- thus, you get a similar result. Isn't it fun to win at all costs?

BroncoMd, I know what you are saying but am also worried by it. With Darnells recruiting of JUCOS the past few years I am really worried. I heard the rumors about Munson and his antics and cant wait until more are revealed. I sure hope that Darnell has forsaken recruiting JUCOS and will start developing players again.

"If Marshall fans feel picked on, perhaps that would stop if there were an occasional acknowledgement that someone just phucked up and did something stupid, instead of the litany of excuses, claims of harassment and highlighting who did something "worse". That does appear to set Herd fans apart on this board. "


Nobody feels picked on......I'm just merely pointing out the obvious.

FlashFan Wrote:

Quote:As the players begin to disperse, Martin calls out again. "Remember -- it's easy to get into a bad situation. It is not so easy to get out of it."  Close of a lecture from Doug Martin to the Flashes.

The thing that strikes me with all of the off season problems this year is the lack of judgement on the part of those involved. From Cribbs thinking he could store some pot, to players in bar fights, to thinking "my drunk buddy wants me to go start some fight at a frat house...geez, get a clue!

If Marshall fans feel picked on, perhaps that would stop if there were an occasional acknowledgement that someone just phucked up and did something stupid, instead of the litany of excuses, claims of harassment and highlighting who did something "worse". That does appear to set Herd fans apart on this board.

And here we go.... let the p!ssing match begin.

We had this link up on MHT a few days ago and first started running items about this story about two months ago.

Sorry if that fails to feed your persecution complex.

rocketfootball Wrote:Football players getting into trouble is something that is happening everywhere and it is getting worse and worse.

You cant beleive the incidents that occur regularly in SEC country. Hardly a day goes by without an article about fights, rape, recruiting violations etc. The MAC is stellar compared to many other conferences. Those of us who love the MAC should be pretty proud of the vast majority of the kids who represent us.

rocketfootball Wrote:

Roberto Gato Wrote:MAN!!! Ever since Marshall came into this league!!&nbsp;

Football players getting into trouble is something that is happening everywhere and it is getting worse and worse. Nevada has had a ton of players arrested in the last year. Even though this is a smaller issue, they have four more players that just got arrested.

<a href='http://www.rgj.com/news/stories/html/2004/08/23/78741.php?sp1=rgj&sp2=Sports&sp3=Sports&sp5=RGJ.com&sp6=news&sp7=sports&jsmultitag=news.rgj.com/news/sp' target='_blank'>4 Nevada Players Arrested</a>


And that is just one example. I don't understand what has been going on, but to me it seems like things are just getting bad the last few years.

i think they have always been like that, they are just now getting caught by the programs tightening down and not covering this stuff up like they used to.

obviously murder is a different thing all together

BroncoMD Wrote:When a school full of questionable recruits wins the conference the "bar is raised". Players of the same caliber fill the void -- thus, you get a similar result. Isn't it fun to win at all costs?

"It's Marshall's fault we're dirty!"

- Bronco MD

[B]Investigators searched the apartments of two players this morning, but they have not yet called anyone a suspect.[B]

No suspects yet. Stan hill on the other hand DID assault a Burger King.

UT__Rockets Wrote:Investigators searched the apartments of two players this morning, but they have not yet called anyone a suspect.[B]

No suspects yet. Stan hill on the other hand DID assault a Burger King.

[b]I SAID NO ONIONS!!!!!

[QUOTE] You cant beleive the incidents that occur regularly in SEC country.[QUOTE]

Speaking of SEC Country:

<a href='http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaaf/news?slug=uwire-ukfootballplayerschargedwi&prov=uwire&type=lgns' target='_blank'>http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaaf/news?slug=uw...uwire&type=lgns</a>

Cue for Waylon Jennings, "Just some gold old boys........"