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<<Some have suggested Temple could find a home for its football team in the Mid-American Conference, an idea Wallace supports. "It's not my decision but I think it would be a great fit for us," Wallace said. "Our budget fits like their budget. To me if we were playing those kinds of teams I think we'd have a chance to win ballgames and we'd have decent crowds. Whether (joining the MAC) is a possibility, I have no idea. That's another issue.">>
Where else is Temple gonna go? CUSA maybe? They just beat Syracuse and would certainly be competetive in the MAC East and would give us exposure on the East Coast...then BG and BSU can both stay in the West Div. They'll definitely have to meet our terms though or else have fun scheduling as an independent or drop out of 1A altogether. I don't think all-sports is the answer since travel costs would be higher for them and us but they'll have to give us some basketball love...it will be interesting to see what Chryst can do.
To say that they would be competitive in the MAC in football off the bat (or even 4-5 years into it) is wishful thinking, IMO. They suck bad. I wish they would have been on our schedule this year. It will be interesting to follow this.
BSU4U Wrote:To say that they would be competitive in the MAC in football off the bat (or even 4-5 years into it) is wishful thinking, IMO. They suck bad. I wish they would have been on our schedule this year. It will be interesting to follow this.
BG beat them as bad as they beat WMU this year, so I'd suspect they could compete with our bottom teams. The better teams should be able to smear 'em, though.
But noo basketball, no Temple. We don't NEED teams, so there better be something in it other than a holding place for another school looking to improve themselves for a jump.
BSU4U Wrote:To say that they would be competitive in the MAC in football off the bat (or even 4-5 years into it) is wishful thinking, IMO. They suck bad. I wish they would have been on our schedule this year. It will be interesting to follow this.
I know. They'd struggle to make the .500 mark.
Still, you can't deny that Philadelphia TV market. If the MAC could pick them up for all-sports it would be worthwhile. Partner them with Delaware or UMass to help them save travel costs.
It would help the MAC recruit New Jersey. Anywhere in that state is close to Philadelphia.
BSU4U Wrote:To say that they would be competitive in the MAC in football off the bat (or even 4-5 years into it) is wishful thinking, IMO. They suck bad. I wish they would have been on our schedule this year. It will be interesting to follow this.
The fact that Bowling Green hung 70 points on Temple doesn't say as much as you might think. With a little more effort, the Falcons could have done the same thing to Western Michigan or Marshall this year -- and they did lay 72 points on Ohio in 2002.
Now look at the Bobcats. I wouldn't call it a swagger, but there are clear signs of life in Athens.
Temple isn't going to come in and dominate us, but I think they could win three or four conference games playing the East and try to build from there.
I think Chryst should get what he can get in terms of basketball, but I don't have a litmus test. I'll take Temple football-only -- because if we take Temple it probably means we'll shoot for another Eastern team, and I find the opportunities out there appealing, whether they be Massachusetts, Army Navy, Temple or Delaware.
The only other realistic add in the country that intrigues me is Western Kentucky. I hear people talking about the Salukis, but I'm not sold on that.
[QUOTE]The fact that Bowling Green hung 70 points on Temple doesn't say as much as you might think. With a little more effort, the Falcons could have done the same thing to Western Michigan or Marshall this year -- and they did lay 72 points on Ohio in 2002.
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Heck, Bowling Green could have probably hung 84-96 on the Broncos this season. :(
I don't think it makes any difference Temple goes, if it still in Divsion I. They would not be competitive in the MAC, or CUSA. They really need to playing at the Division 1AA level with Delaware, UMass, James Madison, etc. The main problem is that their Basketball stands well at the Division 1A level!
Kit-Cat Wrote:BSU4U Wrote:To say that they would be competitive in the MAC in football off the bat (or even 4-5 years into it) is wishful thinking, IMO. They suck bad. I wish they would have been on our schedule this year. It will be interesting to follow this.
I know. They'd struggle to make the .500 mark.
Still, you can't deny that Philadelphia TV market.
Sure you can. Philly folks cheer for the Iggles. It isn't a college sports town.
This board has discussed Temple
ad infinitum. There are pros, there are cons.
I hate to see Temple drop to IAA, b/c of their long history. Nevertheless, w/ UD, JMU, WMU, 'Nova and others, Temple could do well there.
If the MAC can leverage Temple bball to get some attention and respect, and Temple can leverage MAC fball to get the same...then more power to them. Committment is a big part of this equation. A patchwork, half-hearted answer won't help anyone.
"To me if we were playing those kinds of teams I think we'd have a chance to win ballgames"
Sounds like a UCF-ish underestimation of the MAC's level of play?
"Those kind of teams..."
Bobby Wallace has coached Temple since 1998. During that time, he has gone 2-8 (.200) against the MAC. He has gone 17-51 (.250) against everybody else.
What the hell is talking about?
DevilGrad Wrote:Bobby Wallace has coached Temple since 1998. During that time, he has gone 2-8 (.200) against the MAC. He has gone 17-51 (.250) against everybody else.
What the hell is talking about?
My guess is that he doesn't know that UCF is leaving and he sees a win there. :wave:
IF we can get them for basketball too, I say do it ASAP. I have long been in favor of adding the service academies as MAC schools. I don't want to get too big, but a MAC that looked like this would be nice:
East: KSU, Akron, UB, Army, Navy, Temple, Ohio
West: BG, Toledo, Miami, NIU, EMU, CMU, WMU, Ball St.
It's a little big, and Kent OU and Akron would not play all the Ohio teams, but it gives us a bigger footprint into some areas that are out of the Big 10 shadow.
Divisions laid out like that would see West winners almost every year for many many years.
imradioboy Wrote:IF we can get them for basketball too, I say do it ASAP. I have long been in favor of adding the service academies as MAC schools. I don't want to get too big, but a MAC that looked like this would be nice:
East: KSU, Akron, UB, Army, Navy, Temple, Ohio
West: BG, Toledo, Miami, NIU, EMU, CMU, WMU, Ball St.
It's a little big, and Kent OU and Akron would not play all the Ohio teams, but it gives us a bigger footprint into some areas that are out of the Big 10 shadow.
Ya that would work
The MACC could be the West Powerhouse -vs- East Powderpuff.
:rolleyes:
Hey, it would at least be nice to see KSU make it to the MACC at least once before I die.
Quote:They'll definitely have to meet our terms though or else have fun scheduling as an independent or drop out of 1A altogether.
Temple secured 7 home games for next year on short notice, and all 11 of the 2005 games are against 1-A competition. Five of those schools are from the ACC, and Clemson has signed a long term deal with Temple.
As long as they remain 1-A, have Lincoln Financial Field, and provide a team access to the fertile Pennsylvania recruiting grounds they'll get at the very least 6 home games every year against 1-A competition.
Temple had never let a coach stay more than five years without posting a winning record until Wallace returned for his sixth season in 2003. He is now in year seven. If he isn't fired after this season my thought is that they will let him coach in 2005 through that schedule and then pull the plug on the program. If he is fired, that means having to sign someone to a multi-year contract and you don't do that unless you are planning to stick around.
the only way i see a football only making sense would be to replace someone who doesnt meet attendence requirements. If 3 fall out for attendence... Mac would be better served to stay at 9.. or if 4 fall off then add temple to get to 9. any more than 12.... or between 9 and 12 just take away $$$$ and add very little.
Three are NOT going to "fall out" for attendance. Read the documents on the NCAA website very closely. There are steps in the process, plus several waivers, especially if you're close and you do an HONEST count the first time. We're at 14,300 and I'm not worried a bit (besides the fact that I'd like to see the place full, or at least close to) every game...
There is also serious litigation pending should the attendance rule stick. I don't think the rule would have a snowball's chance at standing up in court.