After Friday & Saturday's games, the MAC will clinch a 4th bowl. This will prompt all four to pick their teams on Sunday or Monday.
GMAC: Bowling Green
Motor City: Northern Illinois
Silicon Valley: winner of the MACC
4th Bowl- loser of the MACC
Okie,
Do you really think the Motor City Bowl will let Toledo get away,
especially if they win the MACC? I would venture a guess that the MCB will want to Rocket contingent filling up Ford Field.
Just my opinion.
Go HERD!
No the MCB would not want Toledo to play in both games. It not just butts in seats. It's also butts in restaurants and hotel rooms. Toledo's proximity is a negative for the MCB folks. IMO Toledo won't be in the MCB.
Big Dog Wrote:No the MCB would not want Toledo to play in both games. It not just butts in seats. It's also butts in restaurants and hotel rooms. Toledo's proximity is a negative for the MCB folks. IMO Toledo won't be in the MCB.
I disagree about the restaurant and hotel part unless one of the sponsors would benefit.
Anyways, I think that Toledo and Miami as the divisional winners will have a say in where they go. I can't imagine that UT would accept a trip to the West Coast (to a bowl game that even the WAC teams are trying to avoid), when they can play close to home. Such a move would be hard to explain to their fan base which everyone knows will show up in droves for a bowl game in Detroit.
Big Dog Wrote:No the MCB would not want Toledo to play in both games. It not just butts in seats. It's also butts in restaurants and hotel rooms. Toledo's proximity is a negative for the MCB folks. IMO Toledo won't be in the MCB.
Is the beer extra strong in Illinois?
Oddball Wrote:Big Dog Wrote:No the MCB would not want Toledo to play in both games. It not just butts in seats. It's also butts in restaurants and hotel rooms. Toledo's proximity is a negative for the MCB folks. IMO Toledo won't be in the MCB.
Is the beer extra strong in Illinois?
Yep, and it only took the first five to ten minutes of the second half in last nights game before we started to drink heavily too.
Quote:It's also butts in restaurants and hotel rooms.
Considering decent hotels in Detroit proper aren't that common, I doubt that would be a deciding factor. The Bowls want to look good on TV, which means putting a team in there that has either name recognition or fans willing to attend. Toledo, IMHO, has more of both than NIU from the viewpoint of SE Michigan.
Having said that, NIU deserves a bowl game this season, just as you did last year.
NIUHuskie Wrote:Okie Chippewa Wrote:After Friday & Saturday's games, the MAC will clinch a 4th bowl. This will prompt all four to pick their teams on Sunday or Monday.
GMAC: Bowling Green
Motor City: Northern Illinois
Silicon Valley: winner of the MACC
4th Bowl- loser of the MACC
GMAC: BGSU
Motor City: Toledo
Silicon Valley: Miami
4th Bowl: NIU
Finally, an NIU poster who is making sense.
NIU deserves a bowl games but BGSU has the more recent TV exposure and has the attention of all 3 MAC tie-ins who were each at the Glass Bowl.
Plus, BG has superior marquee players to promote a big game with (superior in terms of numbers, not necessarily skill).
Omar or Haldi?
Sheldon or Magner & Sharon?
Pope and Lane or Wolfe (the only toss up).
Oddball Wrote:Big Dog Wrote:No the MCB would not want Toledo to play in both games. It not just butts in seats. It's also butts in restaurants and hotel rooms. Toledo's proximity is a negative for the MCB folks. IMO Toledo won't be in the MCB.
Is the beer extra strong in Illinois?
We'll see. If I'm wrong then so be it. If I'm right, I'll be looking for you to eat a big plate of crow.
The folks who run these games, ie local Chamber of Commerce types, look at these things a little economic boosts for the local economy. If Toledo sends 15,000 people who pony up $50 (ticket and parking) apiece and if NIU would send 7,000 who would spend $150 (ticket, parking, hotel, restaurants, gas) apiece, they would take the NIU crowd in a heartbeat.
Big Dog Wrote:Oddball Wrote:Big Dog Wrote:No the MCB would not want Toledo to play in both games. It not just butts in seats. It's also butts in restaurants and hotel rooms. Toledo's proximity is a negative for the MCB folks. IMO Toledo won't be in the MCB.
Is the beer extra strong in Illinois?
We'll see. If I'm wrong then so be it. If I'm right, I'll be looking for you to eat a big plate of crow.
The folks who run these games, ie local Chamber of Commerce types, look at these things a little economic boosts for the local economy. If Toledo sends 15,000 people who pony up $50 (ticket and parking) apiece and if NIU would send 7,000 who would spend $150 (ticket, parking, hotel, restaurants, gas) apiece, they would take the NIU crowd in a heartbeat.
Depending on the MCB matchup and result of MACC Toledo could be more likely to send 20 to 25k compared to NIU's 7k.
A good opponent and expect a huge Toledo turnout. Similar to the 2002 BC fiasco where Toledo was extremely well represented.
owen Wrote:NIUHuskie Wrote:Okie Chippewa Wrote:After Friday & Saturday's games, the MAC will clinch a 4th bowl. This will prompt all four to pick their teams on Sunday or Monday.
GMAC: Bowling Green
Motor City: Northern Illinois
Silicon Valley: winner of the MACC
4th Bowl- loser of the MACC
GMAC: BGSU
Motor City: Toledo
Silicon Valley: Miami
4th Bowl: NIU
Finally, an NIU poster who is making sense.
NIU deserves a bowl games but BGSU has the more recent TV exposure and has the attention of all 3 MAC tie-ins who were each at the Glass Bowl.
Plus, BG has superior marquee players to promote a big game with (superior in terms of numbers, not necessarily skill).
Omar or Haldi?
Sheldon or Magner & Sharon?
Pope and Lane or Wolfe (the only toss up).
While I'd like to believe that's true, I'm skeptical.
Marquee players? Reality check...aside from us, I bet most of the country has never heard of Omar, Sharon or Magner.
Revent TV exposure? BG on that one, yeah. Bowl games, the UT game and the Oklahoma game (BG's name is coming up from that) are giving exposure. But, I bet folks who care still remember NIU's wins from last year.
BG's offense is probably the biggest draw. It has the potential to light things up, and make it look exciting. Apparently, BG's defense can do the same for the other team. :crying:
NIU OTOH, has solid fan support, and is hungrier for a bowl. (Although bowls seem to forget that latter part)
But, a big factor, maybe the biggest, is the conference support. Chryst may very well push for NIU.
I hope it's four invites, and neither team is frustrated.
Oddball Wrote:Big Dog Wrote:No the MCB would not want Toledo to play in both games. It not just butts in seats. It's also butts in restaurants and hotel rooms. Toledo's proximity is a negative for the MCB folks. IMO Toledo won't be in the MCB.
Is the beer extra strong in Illinois?
Not that I have noticed. But then, I tend not to add hallucinogens to my beer.
owen Wrote:NIUHuskie Wrote:Okie Chippewa Wrote:After Friday & Saturday's games, the MAC will clinch a 4th bowl. This will prompt all four to pick their teams on Sunday or Monday.
GMAC: Bowling Green
Motor City: Northern Illinois
Silicon Valley: winner of the MACC
4th Bowl- loser of the MACC
GMAC: BGSU
Motor City: Toledo
Silicon Valley: Miami
4th Bowl: NIU
Finally, an NIU poster who is making sense.
NIU deserves a bowl games but BGSU has the more recent TV exposure and has the attention of all 3 MAC tie-ins who were each at the Glass Bowl.
Plus, BG has superior marquee players to promote a big game with (superior in terms of numbers, not necessarily skill).
Omar or Haldi?
Sheldon or Magner & Sharon?
Pope and Lane or Wolfe (the only toss up).
It appears to me that some BG folks have an amazingly over-inflated self image. Let me be the first to tell you that NO MAC team has ever had a real "marquee" player. These guys become "marquee" only after they leave for the NFL. How many people outside the MAC know who Cole Magner is? Also, how does BG have more recent TV exposure? I think we've both had 2 ESPN games. I know you guys played Oklahoma on TV but I can't imagine that many folks around the country were watching to get a glimpse of the great PJ Pope. Come back down to earth. I know that some of you guys still feel that you are the best team in the MAC and all that talk of winning the "MAC National Championship" may have gotten you a little tipsy but to think that BG is anything other than just another good MAC team in the eyes of the rest of the country is a little delsuional. One more thing, bowl reps have been at all of the big games, so trying to use their presence as justification is silly. I'm not trying to say that NIU's national image is any better than BG's. I just think that trying to say that BG's supposedly star studded team is some sort of national draw is just crazy.
My take:
Assuming Northwestern wins Saturday and Minnesota plays in Detroit:
1. Miami to the Motor City.
2. Northern Illinois to the GMAC
3. Bowling Green to the Silicon Valley
4. Toledo to the fourth bowl
If Hawaii beats Northwestern on Saturday, then:
1. Toledo to the Motor City
2. Northern Illinois to the GMAC
3. Bowling Green to the Silicon Valley
4. Miami to the fourth bowl
Big Dog Wrote:owen Wrote:NIUHuskie Wrote:Okie Chippewa Wrote:After Friday & Saturday's games, the MAC will clinch a 4th bowl. This will prompt all four to pick their teams on Sunday or Monday.
GMAC: Bowling Green
Motor City: Northern Illinois
Silicon Valley: winner of the MACC
4th Bowl- loser of the MACC
GMAC: BGSU
Motor City: Toledo
Silicon Valley: Miami
4th Bowl: NIU
Finally, an NIU poster who is making sense.
NIU deserves a bowl games but BGSU has the more recent TV exposure and has the attention of all 3 MAC tie-ins who were each at the Glass Bowl.
Plus, BG has superior marquee players to promote a big game with (superior in terms of numbers, not necessarily skill).
Omar or Haldi?
Sheldon or Magner & Sharon?
Pope and Lane or Wolfe (the only toss up).
It appears to me that some BG folks have an amazingly over-inflated self image. Let me be the first to tell you that NO MAC team has ever had a real "marquee" player. These guys become "marquee" only after they leave for the NFL. How many people outside the MAC know who Cole Magner is? Also, how does BG have more recent TV exposure? I think we've both had 2 ESPN games. I know you guys played Oklahoma on TV but I can't imagine that many folks around the country were watching to get a glimpse of the great PJ Pope. Come back down to earth. I know that some of you guys still feel that you are the best team in the MAC and all that talk of winning the "MAC National Championship" may have gotten you a little tipsy but to think that BG is anything other than just another good MAC team in the eyes of the rest of the country is a little delsuional. One more thing, bowl reps have been at all of the big games, so trying to use their presence as justification is silly. I'm not trying to say that NIU's national image is any better than BG's. I just think that trying to say that BG's supposedly star studded team is some sort of national draw is just crazy.
Big Dog you can lick my balls just for even implying I may be a BGSU fan!
BG does have more recent tv exposure and it was yesterday! Not to mention the nice win on tv the week before over Marshall.
And yes bowl reps have been to several games but more recently the GMAC and MCB reps were in BG for the MArshall game and last night those 2 and the SVB were in Toledo. I am just speculating that they liked what they saw from BG. I mean it was an impressive game even in defeat and a sweet rout on MUg.
All I remember is NIU looking like a steaming pile last time they were on ESPN.
And college football is not necessarily a "star" driven sport in my opinion, rather fan following stems more directly out of loyalty to an institution, but as a fan of niether BGSU or NIU I would say BG has the edge in that "star" category...if it even matters...like you said, and I agree with, "to say that BG's supposedly star studded team is some sort of national draw is just crazy."
Nice comments though.
If NIU looked like a steaming pile the last time they were on ESPN, what did BG look like when they played both NIU and Toledo on ESPN? Just curious?
Losing 3 times on national TV doesn't exactly add to your national appeal.
Big Dog Wrote:Oddball Wrote:Big Dog Wrote:No the MCB would not want Toledo to play in both games. It not just butts in seats. It's also butts in restaurants and hotel rooms. Toledo's proximity is a negative for the MCB folks. IMO Toledo won't be in the MCB.
Is the beer extra strong in Illinois?
We'll see. If I'm wrong then so be it. If I'm right, I'll be looking for you to eat a big plate of crow.
The folks who run these games, ie local Chamber of Commerce types, look at these things a little economic boosts for the local economy. If Toledo sends 15,000 people who pony up $50 (ticket and parking) apiece and if NIU would send 7,000 who would spend $150 (ticket, parking, hotel, restaurants, gas) apiece, they would take the NIU crowd in a heartbeat.
I won't be eating any crow. If Toledo isn't in the MCB it won't be due to your reasoning.
ChicagoRocket Wrote:Oddball Wrote:Big Dog Wrote:No the MCB would not want Toledo to play in both games. It not just butts in seats. It's also butts in restaurants and hotel rooms. Toledo's proximity is a negative for the MCB folks. IMO Toledo won't be in the MCB.
Is the beer extra strong in Illinois?
Not that I have noticed. But then, I tend not to add hallucinogens to my beer.
Dodo adds fruit. Nice guy, just really ****ing strange.
owen Wrote:NIUHuskie Wrote:Okie Chippewa Wrote:After Friday & Saturday's games, the MAC will clinch a 4th bowl. This will prompt all four to pick their teams on Sunday or Monday.
GMAC: Bowling Green
Motor City: Northern Illinois
Silicon Valley: winner of the MACC
4th Bowl- loser of the MACC
GMAC: BGSU
Motor City: Toledo
Silicon Valley: Miami
4th Bowl: NIU
Finally, an NIU poster who is making sense.
NIU deserves a bowl games but BGSU has the more recent TV exposure and has the attention of all 3 MAC tie-ins who were each at the Glass Bowl.
Plus, BG has superior marquee players to promote a big game with (superior in terms of numbers, not necessarily skill).
Omar or Haldi?
Sheldon or Magner & Sharon?
Pope and Lane or Wolfe (the only toss up).
Owen...I'm glad to see youy think I'm "making sense" but I don't think it's for the same reason you think. Since when is the GMAC Bowl a "Big Game"? It's no bigger than the other bowl games the MAC can go to.
GMAC: BGSU - I would have picked Miami but they were there last year
Motor City: Toledo is right next door
Silicon Valley: Miami is going to get a bid why not San Jose
4th Bowl: A forth bowl will open up and I'm being a little biased because I'd rather go to Houston, Ft Worth or Vegas (even Boise to play the ACC). In reality, I think NIU & BGSU could easily switch locations but not because BGSU is any better than NIU. We all know who the better team is.