Although I would 've like to see my RedHawks (finally) get to host a MACC title game, from the looks of the weather across the midwest this week going indoors was probably a wise choice. My only 'hang up" with playing at Ford Field is that I think it takes away a bit from the bowl experience for the team that heads back up there in 3 weeks to play the MCB.
If I'm not mistaken, when the MACC was played at Marshall with a year to promote the game (before the west-east rotation), the best attended game with host Marshall was around 30K (Herd fans can correct me if there were any overflow crowds, as I know you stadium seated 30K back in 97-98-99). Since we went rotational, I think the crowds have all been about 25K.
From all indications, tickets are selling pretty well for the MACC (thanks mostly to a huge surge by Toledo fans). Unfortunately, the midweek timing makes it pretty tough for Miami students to come, so MU attendees will mostly be alums. Still, there are indications that even with a neutral site (and therefore no "pool" of students that can just walk to the game), it will draw 25K plus at Ford Field and therefore qualify as a success. You might even argue that getting 25K would be far more impressive than getting 25K at a campus site.
I have seen where some Herd fans over at HerdNation are making fun of the expected attendance of the MACC..........again, don't know what it'll be in the end but it sure beats playing outside this time of year. Heck, I'd venture a guess that the MACC will get better attendance than some of the MAC bowls this year (SVB??Fort Worth??).
Quote:I have seen where some Herd fans over at HerdNation are making fun of the expected attendance of the MACC..........
Those same goofballs would be thumping their chests about the same numbers if they were playing in the game. First neutral site game ever...it's all new, and as you said...25K matches most previous on-site totals, so that's a very good thing.
One little point of contention though...the game is on Thursday night. It's not "mid-week" for most college students. Thursday night is BAR NIGHT for most college students, including Miami's. I still wouldn't expect a ton of Miami students to make that drive though.
Well it looks like the MAC got some good timing w/ th echange of venue. Still, I think Cincy is the right place for the MACC.
However, w/ the possibility of bad weather, maybe Indy should be considered. Seems like they could use the experience to build up to the bowl game that is always rumored. (Or maybe the MACC works to scratch that itch)
All this was discussed before, but I agree: having the MACC in Detroit will dilute interest there.
Toledo's allotment of tickets for the MACC were all sold out when I wanted to purchase one.
More tickets became available today at 1PM so I will get mine when I leave the office.
DrTorch Wrote:w/ the possibility of bad weather, maybe Indy should be considered. Seems like they could use the experience to build up to the bowl game that is always rumored. (Or maybe the MACC works to scratch that itch)
All this was discussed before, but I agree: having the MACC in Detroit will dilute interest there.
I would still like a permanent tie-in with the dome in Indy and the MAC.
Whether it is a bowl game or the MACC.
And I agree the trip to Detroit back to back is not cool but for a football fan 2 indoor games are great.
Karl Wrote:Quote:I have seen where some Herd fans over at HerdNation are making fun of the expected attendance of the MACC..........
Those same goofballs would be thumping their chests about the same numbers if they were playing in the game. First neutral site game ever...it's all new, and as you said...25K matches most previous on-site totals, so that's a very good thing.
One little point of contention though...the game is on Thursday night. It's not "mid-week" for most college students. Thursday night is BAR NIGHT for most college students, including Miami's. I still wouldn't expect a ton of Miami students to make that drive though.
Not to nitpick, but most college students don't drive three hours to get to the bar.
If they did, the Ohio State Constables would be lined up waiting on them for miles.
Personally, I stick to my contention. 25,000 in a 70,000 seat stadium doesn't look good.
25,000 in a 30,000 seat stadium looks much better.
Herd Swimming Wrote:Karl Wrote:Quote:I have seen where some Herd fans over at HerdNation are making fun of the expected attendance of the MACC..........
Those same goofballs would be thumping their chests about the same numbers if they were playing in the game. First neutral site game ever...it's all new, and as you said...25K matches most previous on-site totals, so that's a very good thing.
One little point of contention though...the game is on Thursday night. It's not "mid-week" for most college students. Thursday night is BAR NIGHT for most college students, including Miami's. I still wouldn't expect a ton of Miami students to make that drive though.
Not to nitpick, but most college students don't drive three hours to get to the bar.
If they did, the Ohio State Constables would be lined up waiting on them for miles.
Personally, I stick to my contention. 25,000 in a 70,000 seat stadium doesn't look good.
25,000 in a 30,000 seat stadium looks much better.
That's why they have student bus trips to the conference championship game. Toledo and Miami are both doing that!
Herd Swimming said:
Personally, I stick to my contention. 25,000 in a 70,000 seat stadium doesn't look good.
25,000 in a 30,000 seat stadium looks much better.[SIZE=1]
I understand that argument, but take the Gund for example. I think 10,000 in that 20,000 seat arena looks fine- compared to if we had it at Kent's gym and they had 6,000 in a 6,400 arena. I know it is not exactly the same argument.
Herd Swimming's argument is counter to the CUSA model, which is UAB getting 20,000 in there 70K stadium or UCF 20,000 in there 70K stadium.
The lower deck at Ford FIled will be completely filled, atleast on the Toledo side, and will look fine.
We've been getting 25K at campus sites, so anything approaching that at a neutral site will be very positive for the conference. Hey, if they hit 20K plus it'll probably outdraw a number of bowl games!
ex Cincy Kid Wrote:We've been getting 25K at campus sites, so anything approaching that at a neutral site will be very positive for the conference. Hey, if they hit 20K plus it'll probably outdraw a number of bowl games!
25,000 what? Miami's season average was 15,742 at home. (I believe it was 19,000 against Toledo)
-Dan
Quote: Not to nitpick, but most college students don't drive three hours to get to the bar.
If they did, the Ohio State Constables would be lined up waiting on them for miles.
I wasn't suggesting the students would be getting driving to Detroit to get hammered. I was simply saying that, for most college students, Thursday night is the start of their weekend. Friday classes are the exception, not the rule, so it's not so much a "midweek" game for them. No biggie though. I DO understand it's a long way for students to go, and that there ARE a number of them that will have classes interfere with the game, whether those classes are later Thursday or anytime Friday.
RedSea Wrote:Herd Swimming said:
Personally, I stick to my contention. 25,000 in a 70,000 seat stadium doesn't look good.
25,000 in a 30,000 seat stadium looks much better.[SIZE=1]
I understand that argument, but take the Gund for example. I think 10,000 in that 20,000 seat arena looks fine- compared to if we had it at Kent's gym and they had 6,000 in a 6,400 arena. I know it is not exactly the same argument.
Herd Swimming's argument is counter to the CUSA model, which is UAB getting 20,000 in there 70K stadium or UCF 20,000 in there 70K stadium.
Don't see what having the championship game has to do with UAB's regular season attendance in "there" stadium.
And don't see anywhere in my post that was a slap at the MAC. This has been my stance all along, and I won't back off of it just because Marshall isn't in the game.
I agree that the move to Gund was great. It was long overdue. However, 10,000 in a 20,000 for basketball is loads different than 25,000 in a 70,000. And as RedSea so elequently put it, UAB's attendance looks terrible in "there" stadium.
IMHO if the lower level of Ford is full, then IMHO it is a success.
If the locals support the game, it is a great move.
However, as much as I don't like playing on campus for competition purposes, it has, with one exception in 2000, always provided a pretty good crowd and an excellent atmosphere. I'm skeptical whether it is ready to be done on a neutral field for the title game.
ex Cincy Kid Wrote:I have seen where some Herd fans over at HerdNation are making fun of the expected attendance of the MACC..........again, don't know what it'll be in the end but it sure beats playing outside this time of year. Heck, I'd venture a guess that the MACC will get better attendance than some of the MAC bowls this year (SVB??Fort Worth??).
Who gives a ******? HERDNATION has nothing to do with this board. Just a way for you to get your customary digs in I suppose.
Herd Swimming Wrote:I'm skeptical whether it is ready to be done on a neutral field for the title game.
Who cares?
<a href='http://www.ncaabbs.com/forums/confusa/invision/' target='_blank'>Maybe these folks.</a> :wave: