=>Preseason MAC Champs now 0-3 after losing to lowly East Carolina. Are they following the start of the Preseason MAC Football Champs? That is start like a pussycat an finish like a lio, er, a loss to Miami in the MAC title game (I hope)!
BTW, Toledo is the only MAC team without a win I believe.
Two words...
S-T-A-N J-O-P-L-I-N
IF MAC championships were given on paper, this guy would have won more than a few. This will likely be his last season at Toledo.
Joplin is not the problem. We have guards that are inconsistent and post players who don't step up.
We're just trying to lull Dook into a false sense of security.
msopher Wrote:Joplin is not the problem. We have guards that are inconsistent and post players who don't step up.
And Joplin isn't responsible for recruiting those guys because....?
For reference purposes...
East Carolina lost to Gardner-Webb by 30 points.
East Carolina also beat Pepperdine by 22 points and Oregon State. We lost in a tough environment to NC State in the finals of that tournament and then had to travel to GWU a few days later and lost there.
We play extremely well at home. We've beaten Louisville, and two top ten Marquette teams there.
Toledo is a good basketball team. I bet they sweep through the MAC.
I take it you don't know much about the MAC.
BSU4U Wrote:I take it you don't know much about the MAC.
=>I can think of only 2 teams that have swept through the MAC since the 90's:
1. Miami in 1995: 16-2
2. Kent in 2002: 17-1 (plus won all 3 MAC tourney games so 20-1 MAC record could be argued)
Basically, a 15-3 MAC record is a very difficult achievement in a league where the worst teams at home can beat the best teams on any given night.
ECUmedford Wrote:Toledo is a good basketball team. I bet they sweep through the MAC.
If by "sweep through the MAC" you mean "win more than they lose", then maybe.
I think that the Toledo basketball team will win more conference games than it loses, but I do not see them winning the MAC. It would take some serious improvement, but hey there is a lot of basketball left and the football team did it (greatly improved).
ECU plays tough at home, and like was said earlier, has beaten Pepperdine and Oregon State this year
the gardner-webb game remains a mystery to most pirate fans -- young team i guess, and ECU usually struggles on the road (but not to team's like Gardner Webb)
i wouldn't count Toledo out just yet -- hell, they almost came back and won
william146 Wrote:i wouldn't count Toledo out just yet -- hell, they almost came back and won
Nobody's counting them out. But even for the very best of MAC teams, it's hard to predict that they'll finish better than 12-6 or so in the league. And if you don't believe they're the best in the MAC, then thinking that they'll finish a game or two less than that sure isn't unreasonable.
I didn't mean they would go undefeated. I just think they'll win it all.
Quote:I take it you don't know much about the MAC.
I know about as much as people on here know about "lowly East Carolina" and who mention our Gardner Webb defeat without a word of our wins.
Pepperdine, Oregon State, and Toledo are quality wins. Especially for a team with 1 senior 2 juniors, 2 sophomores, and a load of Freshman. After we beat Pepperdine by 22 points their forums were full of people ready to jump ship, yet Pepperdine just rolled through Wisconsin recently.
I'll give you Pepperdine, but there is nothing too impressive about the OSU win. Why in the world is Pepperdine travelling all the way to ECU? That seems like a death wish of a road trip.
It's pretty funny that you think Toledo will "win it all" without having seen or having any knowledge about any of the MAC teams.
It was the BCA Invitational held in Raleigh. There were 8 teams in the tournament with 4 teams in each bracket. Pepperdine was our first game and OSU won their first so we got matched up like that. OSU is a good team that we recorded our first win over a pac 10 team in our history. Both of those wins were good quality wins expecially since pepperdine just beat wisconsin.
Quote:It's pretty funny that you think Toledo will "win it all" without having seen or having any knowledge about any of the MAC teams.
I never claimed to have knowledge of every MAC team and didn't mean to imply my word as gospel. Call it a hunch from an ill-informed person if you will. I hope you can rest at ease now. My point is just because Toledo has lost some tough road games doesn't mean they aren't a good team. They looked about as good as some of these top-tier CUSA teams that come into Minges and lose and go on to win the conference championship and onto the final four.
Toledo's team looks good to me.
Don't ever count Toledo out guys. Look at the mistakes you all made when the football team lost 63-21 and 63-14 to start the season.
With the talent we have on the basketball team, you can't count them out. They will get things rolling in time for the conference schedule.
And like some have mentioned, East Carolina isn't a bad team. If we would have showed up in the 1st half we would have won.
Wright State is better than last year. BSU only beat them by 10 the other night. Also, Vanderbilt is probably again a NCAA Tournament team.
Did any of you Rocket fans listen to the radio broadcast last night? If so...did the crowd come in nice and clear?
mollautt Wrote:BSU4U Wrote:I take it you don't know much about the MAC.
=>I can think of only 2 teams that have swept through the MAC since the 90's:
1. Miami in 1995: 16-2
2. Kent in 2002: 17-1 (plus won all 3 MAC tourney games so 20-1 MAC record could be argued)
Basically, a 15-3 MAC record is a very difficult achievement in a league where the worst teams at home can beat the best teams on any given night.
MAC Champs with 2 or less losses:
01-02 Kent
94-95 Miami
88-89 BSU
87-88 EMU
86-87 CMU
85-86 Miami*
83-84 Miami
79-80 Toledo
75-76 WMU
75-76 Miami
Before that it's pretty meaningless, as there were only eight schools.
Only two schools have EVER gone undefeated in the MAC:
Cincinatti did it in 49-50 with 6 MAC schools
Miami did it in 57-58 with 7 MAC schools