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Penn St last night, Auburn this morn, hopefully VaTech tonight:

that would be wins in consecutive days over BigTen, SEC, and ACC!!!

forget 2 bids, how about 4!?!?!?!?

As much as I hate to say it...

Phillystile Wrote:Penn St last night, Auburn this morn, hopefully VaTech tonight:

that would be wins in consecutive days over BigTen, SEC, and ACC!!!

forget 2 bids, how about 4!?!?!?!?

6-14 against the BCS 6 and CUSA. If you get rid of CUSA, the MAC is 4-10 against the BCS6. Not bad, but hardly dominating.

Teams get bids, not conferences. While we're all happy for the out-ward success of the conference, we'll turn on each other in a couple of weeks. The ability for the Kents, Miami, Ball St., Buffalos, etc. to get an at-large bid will depend on doing very well (at least 12-6 IMHO to even be considered) in the conference.

yeah but add in 3-0 vs A-10, generally considered NOT a mid-major

the point is, i think everyone can agree that the MAC this year, at the very least, is a 2 bid conference.

Phillystile Wrote:the point is, i think everyone can agree that the MAC this year, at the very least, is a 2 bid conference.

No way is the MAC a two bidder this year. The only way it happens is, say, Akron goes through conference play with only one loss and then loses to Kent in the MAC Championship game , well, then it might happen.

Quote:the point is, i think everyone can agree that the MAC this year, at the very least, is a 2 bid conference

The problem is we all agreed on that before ( in the 1999-2000 and 2001-02 seasons) but the NCAA selection committee did not. :crying:

The only way to make sure your team goes dancing is to cut down the nets at the Gund.

As a mid-major, you get above 4-5 losses total and you are giving them a reason to keep you out. At-large bids are very tough to come by for teams who are not having excellent years by national standards.
Example: we sit now at 7-2, really 6-2 when you throw out the non-D-1. We have 3 more D-1 OOC games--at BC, home to IPFW and home for the BracketBuster. If we win two of those we are 8-3. If we go a super 15-3 in the MAC, we are 23-6 and if we lose a MAC tourney game, even the final, the best we could be at tourney selection time 25-7. Very, very bubble like. That might make it, but take off a couple of those wins, add a couple more losses and then, no way. There is very little slack. And if you do not have the best MAC record, you have a problem if you don't win the MAC tourney. Ask BG and BSU about 2002. Both had deserving teams, but BSU was 1-3 against BG and KSU and BG was 0-3 vs KSU. That knocked them out.
Very hard for the #2 or #3 MAC team to get an at-large.

axeme Wrote:As a mid-major, you get above 4-5 losses total and you are giving them a reason to keep you out. At-large bids are very tough to come by for teams who are not having excellent years by national standards.
Example: we sit now at 7-2, really 6-2 when you throw out the non-D-1. We have 3 more D-1 OOC games--at BC, home to IPFW and home for the BracketBuster. If we win two of those we are 8-3. If we go a super 15-3 in the MAC, we are 23-6 and if we lose a MAC tourney game, even the final, the best we could be at tourney selection time 25-7. Very, very bubble like. That might make it, but take off a couple of those wins, add a couple more losses and then, no way. There is very little slack. And if you do not have the best MAC record, you have a problem if you don't win the MAC tourney. Ask BG and BSU about 2002. Both had deserving teams, but BSU was 1-3 against BG and KSU and BG was 0-3 vs KSU. That knocked them out.
Very hard for the #2 or #3 MAC team to get an at-large.

I'll stick my neck out here and say that ANY MAC team that goes 25-7 will be dancing.

Probably, but how about this? UB has one loss now. Let's assume they win all their OOC games from now on. Their OOC resume is not that great--possibly no wins vs. tourney teams and possibly no OOC wins vs any top 100 teams. So they go 13-5 in the MAC and lose a MAC tourney game. Now they have 7 losses. Do you think they get an at-large bid? I don't. No quality OOC wins does a team in, especially a mid-major.

axeme Wrote:Probably, but how about this? UB has one loss now. Let's assume they win all their OOC games from now on. Their OOC resume is not that great--possibly no wins vs. tourney teams and possibly no OOC wins vs any top 100 teams. So they go 13-5 in the MAC and lose a MAC tourney game. Now they have 7 losses. Do you think they get an at-large bid? I don't. No quality OOC wins does a team in, especially a mid-major.

Well, they'd only be 23-7, so I guess not.

Honestly though, consider that they will likely get a quality road win in the bracket buster, and their SOS is so low, that winning 16 of 22 against mostly MAC competition will push their SOS way up without knocking down their winning percentage much, I think they'll end up in the Top 50 in RPI and make the dance.

Check back in March...