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OK--In a variety of posts, jabs have been made back and forth about this. I've stayed out of it and maybe we should let it go, but it keeps dragging on.

As far as I'm concerned, here is the BOTTOM LINE.

1-Every true MAC fan was solidly behind Toledo, just as he was behind BG, Miami, and Northern Illinois. I was even for Marshall, especially against Cincinnati. The Miami loss was a tough one because it was against the Big 12 and Miami could have won. I was hoping Toledo would win solidly and put another feather in the MAC's hat.

2-Of all the losses, the Toledo one hurt the MAC the most because of how decisive it was.

3-With the injuries to Gradkowski and McDougle, the Toledo coaching staff had around 3 weeks to make adjustments.

4-What killed the Rockets more than anything was their defense and special teams, putting them in a terrible hole during the first half.

5-I'm a MAC fan and especially a BG fan. If I would would have witnessed what happened to Toledo happening to BG, I would have felt very bad and couldn't think of any excuses to make me feel better.

Had Omar broken his throwing hand and dislocated his shoulder before the GMAC Bowl,the Falcons would have been SOL.Bruce's MACC
performance with those considerations is really astounding and as gutsy as they come!!!

Omar had been playing with a broken toe for the last few games of the season and just had surgery and is on crutches. Bruce is a very tough QB but Omar is as well.

Who is to say that UT's coaching staff made a stupid decision but letting him continue to play in the MACC with those injuries. It could've made it worse. Who knows.

Let's move past this already. I'm done with football. Let's talk basketball!

Oddball Wrote:

Dood, I thought his post was pretty conciliatory.

YOUR recruiting class was in the lower tier of the MAC. Get OVER it.

Don't blame Toledo. Our recruits didn't.

Schadenfreude Wrote:Dood, I thought his post was pretty conciliatory.

His posts are always digs at Toledo. Almost always unwarranted and factless, as well. Frosting on a turd still tastes like s#!t. Troll s#!t, at that.

mossmaidi Wrote:Omar had been playing with a broken toe for the last few games of the season and just had surgery and is on crutches.

I wasn't aware that Omar throws with his feet. That is some QB you guys have got down there!

It did hurt the public perception of TMSU also. Everyone had to be thinking that since Toledo stuck it to TMSU and UCONN stuck it to Toledo, that UCONN would have really stuck it to TMSU. Imagine how badly the Huskies would have beat down the Falcons.

I think that TMSU's loss to Richmond (5-6) in 1980 really hurt the perception of the MAC.

Oddball is right, you should just get over your obsession.

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I'm going to try to respond to the original post as if it were not meant as flame bait.

I too pulled for every MAC team in their bowls, including Marshall. It was indeed VERY difficult to watch Toledo get beat so badly in the MCB. Not as difficult as it was against BC a couple years ago, but difficult.

I DID have an issue with the coaching staff leaving Gradkowski in, but we rode that horse into the game, and if he felt he could make it work, they owed him the chance. Turned out to be worse than even HE thought, and he DID re-injure it, worse than it was before. I truly hoped Bruce was going to be able to go at least 75%, but he wasn't. That was apparent early on, and Council had 3 weeks of reps to get ready. Had he gotten in the game before we got down by 20, he MIGHT have been more effective. By the 2nd half, it was too late. I don't think it was reasonable to expect a redshirt freshman QB to bring us back from a 20 point deficit in the 2nd half of a bowl game when he had no significant game experience.

There are NO "excuses" that make that loss feel any better. It was hard to watch, especially if you really care about the kids and the program. I really couldn't care less how it affected the rest of the MAC.

Your judgement that defense and special teams killed the Rockets most of all is, in my opinion, in error. What killed Toledo, pure and simple, was the fact that the offense was totally one-dimensional. When a couple of ill-advised trick plays early in the game blew up, it merely added to the troubles. Toledo managed to fight back from defensive troubles quite a few times this past season by turning it up on offense. That couldn't happen in the MCB.

With the 2004 season now over for well over a month, and signing day behind us, it's time to look forward to the Spring Game and to allow the injured to recouperate.

Touchdown Rrrrrooockets! Wrote:I think that TMSU's loss to Richmond (5-6) in 1980 really hurt the perception of the MAC.

I think Bowling Green's 31-14 loss to Temple in 2000 was a pretty big blow and their 48-3 loss to Penn State in 1998 was just downright embarrassing to the rest of the MAC.

rocketfootball Wrote:

Touchdown Rrrrrooockets! Wrote:I think that TMSU's loss to Richmond (5-6) in 1980 really hurt the perception of the MAC.

I think Bowling Green's 31-14 loss to Temple in 2000 was a pretty big blow and their 48-3 loss to Penn State in 1998 was just downright embarrassing to the rest of the MAC.

Weren't they also the first team in the MAC to fall to Buffalo, as well?

Toledo should have beat UCONN.
I'm sure thw Rockets wish they had performed better.
I wish the backup QB played the entire game.
Next season we will go undefeated with our weak ****** schedule and kick ****** team.
No BCS bowl for Toledo because other than Fresno St we will have no respectable wins but a Top 10 ranking will still lead the MAC and boost recruiting for the future.
The end.

owen Wrote:Toledo should have beat UCONN.
I'm sure thw Rockets wish they had performed better.
I wish the backup QB played the entire game.
Next season we will go undefeated with our weak ****** schedule and kick ****** team.
No BCS bowl for Toledo because other than Fresno St we will have no respectable wins but a Top 10 ranking will still lead the MAC and boost recruiting for the future.
The end.

The Dawgs@Fresno will be very tough.There are a better team than the Pitt team we beat in the GB.Ranked #14 in the ESPN preseason poll.

Boca Rocket Wrote:

owen Wrote:Toledo should have beat UCONN.
I'm sure thw Rockets wish they had performed better.
I wish the backup QB played the entire game.
Next season we will go undefeated with our weak ****** schedule and kick ****** team.
No BCS bowl for Toledo because other than Fresno St we will have no respectable wins but a Top 10 ranking will still lead the MAC and boost recruiting for the future.
The end.

The Dawgs@Fresno will be very tough.There are a better team than the Pitt team we beat in the GB.Ranked #14 in the ESPN preseason poll.

I'm rarely pessimistic about the Rockets' chances, but that game does not look promising, imo.

Oddball Wrote:

Boca Rocket Wrote:

owen Wrote:Toledo should have beat UCONN.
I'm sure thw Rockets wish they had performed better.
I wish the backup QB played the entire game.
Next season we will go undefeated with our weak ****** schedule and kick ****** team.
No BCS bowl for Toledo because other than Fresno St we will have no respectable wins but a Top 10 ranking will still lead the MAC and boost recruiting for the future.
The end.

The Dawgs@Fresno will be very tough.There are a better team than the Pitt team we beat in the GB.Ranked #14 in the ESPN preseason poll.

I'm rarely pessimistic about the Rockets' chances, but that game does not look promising, imo.

It’s a horrible road game... in a year when Fresno just might be fielding their best team ever. Unfortunately, we don't have any quality OC games in Toledo. I just hope we don't get down to Fresno early... We need Scooter to be back at 100% (I'm worried he will not have had enough recovery time to get back into game-time shape. I’m assuming that he is doing all he can to stay strong in the meantime, but who knows?).

Blitz Wrote:

Oddball Wrote:

Boca Rocket Wrote:

owen Wrote:Toledo should have beat UCONN.
I'm sure thw Rockets wish they had performed better.
I wish the backup QB played the entire game.
Next season we will go undefeated with our weak ****** schedule and kick ****** team.
No BCS bowl for Toledo because other than Fresno St we will have no respectable wins but a Top 10 ranking will still lead the MAC and boost recruiting for the future.
The end.

The Dawgs@Fresno will be very tough.There are a better team than the Pitt team we beat in the GB.Ranked #14 in the ESPN preseason poll.

I'm rarely pessimistic about the Rockets' chances, but that game does not look promising, imo.

It’s a horrible road game... in a year when Fresno just might be fielding their best team ever. Unfortunately, we don't have any quality OC games in Toledo. I just hope we don't get down to Fresno early... We need Scooter to be back at 100% (I'm worried he will not have had enough recovery time to get back into game-time shape. I’m assuming that he is doing all he can to stay strong in the meantime, but who knows?).

Bruce's 2nd hand and shoulder surgery bothers me also.I can't believe he will be 100% going into Fresno.Factor in new OC and DC,it makes it even tougher.I feel better about the DL this year.The young guys on the OL stepped up last year also.The opportunity to play good competition isn't always there, we need to take advantage of it.
Let's get Fresno in the GB.

Don't blame Gradkowski, Amstutz, or any one else for the loss in MCB. It's all my fault. I predicted Toledo would win and so I put a huge jinx on them. In previous games (NIU, BG, and Miami) I had picked the opposing team in hopes of being wrong and I was. Blame it all on me. :mad: :chair:

OKAY!

All Toledo fans > <msopher


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