Seven teams would tie for 2nd in the MAC at 11-7; if....
WMU loses at BSU
Buffalo beats Akron
KSU beats Ohio
BGSU beats CMU
and
UT beats EMU
It could easily happen. Tie-breakers for the MACC seedings, anyone?
Does anyone have the updated MAC tourney seedings based on tonights games and the possible scenarios based on on Saturday's games?
Okie Chippewa Wrote:Seven teams would tie for 2nd in the MAC at 11-7; if....
WMU loses at BSU
Buffalo beats Akron
KSU beats Ohio
BGSU beats CMU
and
UT beats EMU
It could easily happen. Tie-breakers for the MACC seedings, anyone?
if this situation plays out Toledo will be the 2 seed because they hold the tie breaker over Western and split with everyone else in the MAC West.
utpotts Wrote:Okie Chippewa Wrote:Seven teams would tie for 2nd in the MAC at 11-7; if....
WMU loses at BSU
Buffalo beats Akron
KSU beats Ohio
BGSU beats CMU
and
UT beats EMU
It could easily happen. Tie-breakers for the MACC seedings, anyone?
if this situation plays out Toledo will be the 2 seed because they hold the tie breaker over Western and split with everyone else in the MAC West.
In which case Toledo should write a big "thank you" note to the MAC for their not having to make a return trip to WMU this year.
BroncoJim Wrote:utpotts Wrote:Okie Chippewa Wrote:Seven teams would tie for 2nd in the MAC at 11-7; if....
WMU loses at BSU
Buffalo beats Akron
KSU beats Ohio
BGSU beats CMU
and
UT beats EMU
It could easily happen. Tie-breakers for the MACC seedings, anyone?
if this situation plays out Toledo will be the 2 seed because they hold the tie breaker over Western and split with everyone else in the MAC West.
In which case Toledo should write a big "thank you" note to the MAC for their not having to make a return trip to WMU this year.
Almost everyone could have a gripe like that, however. Ball State got to play Miami twice, but only played Central once. The 13-team league creates scheduling problems. You know what you have to do before the season starts.
There cannot be a seven way tie for second. That would mean every team in the West tied for the division title. You are correct that seven teams could finish at 11-7, but one of those would be named the West Division winner (Toledo), leaving six teams tied for the # 3 seed.
This is as best as I can figure it.
#2 Toledo
#3 Western Michigan 6-1
#4 Kent State 4-4
#5 Akron 4-4
#6 Ohio 4-5
#7 Bowling Green 3-4
#8 Buffalo 3-6
If Western Michigan wins at Ball State and it is a 6-way tie
#3 Bowling Green 4-3
#4 Akron 5-4
#5 Ohio 5-4
#6 Kent State 4-4
#7 Toledo 3-4
#8 Buffalo 3-5
KStud Wrote:This is as best as I can figure it.
#2 Toledo
#3 Western Michigan 6-1
#4 Kent State 4-4
#5 Akron 4-4
#6 Ohio 4-5
#7 Bowling Green 3-4
#8 Buffalo 3-6
If Western Michigan wins at Ball State and it is a 6-way tie
#3 Bowling Green 4-3
#4 Akron 5-4
#5 Ohio 5-4
#6 Kent State 4-4
#7 Toledo 3-4
#8 Buffalo 3-5
Nope.
In the first example, once you break that tie and put WMU 3rd, then you throw everyone back into the mix minus their games vs. WMU. In that scenario, I think BG is 4th, then KSU, AU, OU, then UB.
whoa, moll
IF they tie, i've got Tol, WMU, BG's H2H records different.
WMU and Tol only played once, Tol won
WMU swept BG
Tol and BG split
so Tol (2-1) WMU (2-1) BG (1-3)
since tol beat WMU the only time they played, they would win the west in this scenario right?
=>Tiebreaker breakdown if 7 teams finished 11-7:
1. First look at the three schools tied in West to determine the #2 Seed. Head-to-head, WMU was (2-1), Toledo (2-1), and BUGS (1-3). Toledo beat WMU in only meeting. As such, Toledo gets #2 seed and throw them out.
2. Second, throw BUGS and WMU back into the pile and figure out head-to-head records among the six.
WMU 5-2 (swept BUGS, beat Kent and Akron, split with Buffalo, lost to Akron and Ohio)
Ohio 5-4 (swept Buffalo, beat WMU, split with BUGS and Kent, swept by Akron)
Kent 4-4 (swept Akron, split Ohio and Buffalo, lost to WMU and Toledo)
Akron 4-4 (swept Ohio, split with Buffalo, lost to WMU, swept by Kent)
BUGS 3-4 (beat Buffalo and Kent, split with Ohio, lost to Akron, swept by WMU)
Buffalo 3-6 (split with WMU, Akron, and Kent, lost to BUGS, swept by Ohio)
3. Look at head-to-head btw Akron and Kent. Kent swept Akron.
Seeding Breakdown would be as follows:
2. Toledo
3. WMU
4. Ohio
5. Kent
6. Akron
7. BUGS
8. Buffalo
Phillystile Wrote:whoa, moll
IF they tie, i've got Tol, WMU, BG's H2H records different.
WMU and Tol only played once, Tol won
WMU swept BG
Tol and BG split
so Tol (2-1) WMU (2-1) BG (1-3)
since tol beat WMU the only time they played, they would win the west in this scenario right?
=>Correct.
Thanks for the correction. I had Western beating Ohio for whatever reason.
I THINK, that if Toledo, WMU, and BG's H2H records are 2-1, 2-1, and 1-3, respectively, then UT and WMU are tied, and you'd go to the next tiebreaker, which would be record vs MAC #1. I think direct H2H wouldn't be used in this case.
The MAC website doesn't say how 3-way H2H is computed, but I think it's the collective records...
MAC website clears this up a little..
If Zips win Sat @ Buffalo, then Akron clinches no less than #3 seed and bye to Gund Arena. I assume the "no less" refers to if Marshall were to upset Miami, along with a Zips victory at Buffalo, that the Zips have a shot at the East Title due to tie breakers??? Unlikley, but stranger things have happened this season.
Winning at Buffalo is a big "If" but this team has surprised all of us this season...
Also spells out the tie breaker rule:
"the MAC Tiebreaker Procedure is outlined below.
1. Head-to-head competition
2. Winning percentage* vs. ranked conference teams (top to bottom, regardless of division; versus common opponents, regardless of the number of times played) "
<a href='http://www.mac-sports.collegesports.com/sports/m-baskbl/spec-rel/030305aaf.html' target='_blank'>MAC Tournament Outlook</a>
I don't see Miami sweating this one too much...
Zippy989 Wrote:MAC website clears this up a little..
If Zips win Sat @ Buffalo, then Akron clinches no less than #3 seed and bye to Gund Arena. I assume the "no less" refers to if Marshall were to upset Miami, along with a Zips victory at Buffalo, that the Zips have a shot at the East Title due to tie breakers??? Unlikley, but stranger things have happened this season.
Winning at Buffalo is a big "If" but this team has surprised all of us this season...
Also spells out the tie breaker rule:
"the MAC Tiebreaker Procedure is outlined below.
1. Head-to-head competition
2. Winning percentage* vs. ranked conference teams (top to bottom, regardless of division; versus common opponents, regardless of the number of times played) "
<a href='http://www.mac-sports.collegesports.com/sports/m-baskbl/spec-rel/030305aaf.html' target='_blank'>MAC Tournament Outlook</a>
Well that doesn't say anything about excluding the H2H record versus the West (or East as it may apply) champ.
Anyone with anything intelligent to say about that?
x96lee15 Wrote:I THINK, that if Toledo, WMU, and BG's H2H records are 2-1, 2-1, and 1-3, respectively, then UT and WMU are tied, and you'd go to the next tiebreaker, which would be record vs MAC #1. I think direct H2H wouldn't be used in this case.
The MAC website doesn't say how 3-way H2H is computed, but I think it's the collective records...
Once you go with the head-to-head records, BG is eliminated leaving a two-way tie. You then go back to criteria No. 1, head-to-head matchups. Toledo then wins it.
I disagree. I don't think there is any "elimination" of teams once they have a higher seed and you go to the next tiebreaker, which is record vs. #1, then #2 and so on.
MikeSpicer is right. The first task is to determine who the #3 seed is.
However many teams tie for that and you work through the process until you determine the #3 seed.
That team is then slotted. Then you have to determine the #4 seed and the process begins again with the tied teams. The #3 and #1 and #2 are out of the process even if they have the same record as the teams tied. And so it goes.