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I'll be on the Kenny Rhoda show tomorrow afternoon from 5:15 - 5:30
We will be talking about the MAC Snub in the NCAA and other MAC issues
For those in the Cleveland area, it's AM radio 850
Excellet Nick! In drive time no less. 04-bow Give the NCAA Committee hell!! :D
Hit 'em hard, Nick!

I know you'll have good talking points, but feel free to steal anything I posted on the MHT.com front page for your arsenal. Also, note that only three teams with an RPI below 50 got left out -- Miami, Buffalo, and Wichita State.

As for the ridiculous explanation that the committee couldn't distinguish amongst Ohio, Buffalo, and Miami, the very simple answer to that is that's because ALL THREE should have earned bids.

BTW, if you want a major conference poster child to bash during your appearance, don't forget Iowa State, with its RPI in the sixties, pillow-soft nonconference schedule with no nonconference road wins, and perfectly mediocre performance in the Big XII. They're precisely the sort of team the allegedly new RPI was supposed to punish.
Good news, Nick. I don't know if you want to mention it, but Bowlsby made a major boo-boo when discussing the Miami and Buffalo in the St. Louis paper. We have always been told that the league you play in does not matter. However he is quoted as saying that the reason Miami and Buffalo were left out was that the MAC has too many teams in the bottom half of the RPI. I thought they said it doesn't matter what league you play in.

<a href='http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/sports/stories.nsf/ncaatournament/story/4411195F167E8A1A86256FC5001F1F62?OpenDocument' target='_blank'>Bowlsby</a>

According to Ken Pomroys RPI calculations, the MAC has four teams in the lower half of the RPI (>165) which is the same as CUSA. The MVC has only two in the lower half. Bowlsby has also been quoted by other sources as saying that the out of conference strength of schedule was important in determining who was selected for the last few slots. Miami's OOC SOS was 79 while UNI's was 118 and UAB's was 115. It is amazing people are taking what Bowlsby says at face value, it appears half the things out of his mouth are incorrect.
I have an honest question here.

I have always been mystified by the emphasis on strength of schedule.

Doesn't the RPI already take care of that as part of its (admittedly, basic) formula?

I mean, if a MAC school manages to work its way up to a decent place in the RPI despite its weak schedule, why does the discussion then turn to strength of schedule?

Doesn't that amount to a huge double-whammy for mid-majors? It would seem it isn't enough to build a good RPI despite a ho-hum schedule -- they need to build such a phenominal RPI that the ho-hum schedule no longer even gets talked about.

It doesn't quite seem fair. It seems a an effective bias against mid-majors -- but perhaps someone can articulate a case for talking about strength of schedule.

By the way, some of you may sense that I place too much emphasis on the computers.

I do. I absolutely admit that. And that's why I feel especially jobbed this year.
I think I can pick up this radio broadcast live on my computer. I went to Real Radio Guide - Sports Radio Stations and found that WKNR SportstalkCleveland is one of the stations available. I am assuming this is the same station/frequency that will carry the Vandelay interview. I am listening to a call in program called Sports Byline on WKNR SportstalkCleveland as I type - I'm in Midland, Michigan. I hope I found the right station/frequency. I will find out tomorrow when I try to listen to what Nick has to say in the afternoon.
I won't be able to listen.. but if someone can write up a summary that would be great.. Maybe just some of the good things being said and what the host has to say... I will be too busy getting ready for my NIT Opening Round game.
midlandchip,

you can listen to AM 850 on SportstalkCleveland.com. I do everyday at home! :)
IULurker Wrote:Good news, Nick. I don't know if you want to mention it, but Bowlsby made a major boo-boo when discussing the Miami and Buffalo in the St. Louis paper. We have always been told that the league you play in does not matter. However he is quoted as saying that the reason Miami and Buffalo were left out was that the MAC has too many teams in the bottom half of the RPI. I thought they said it doesn't matter what league you play in.

<a href='http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/sports/stories.nsf/ncaatournament/story/4411195F167E8A1A86256FC5001F1F62?OpenDocument' target='_blank'>Bowlsby</a>

According to Ken Pomroys RPI calculations, the MAC has four teams in the lower half of the RPI (>165) which is the same as CUSA. The MVC has only two in the lower half. Bowlsby has also been quoted by other sources as saying that the out of conference strength of schedule was important in determining who was selected for the last few slots. Miami's OOC SOS was 79 while UNI's was 118 and UAB's was 115. It is amazing people are taking what Bowlsby says at face value, it appears half the things out of his mouth are incorrect.
So very true when you look at this quote from Karl Benson (of the selection committee) in the Muncie Press article.
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According to rpiratings.com, the MAC was the ninth-ranked conference this season. While the MAC put one team in the NCAA Tournament, three leagues ranked below the MAC combined for eight entries. Conference USA, ranked 10th, had four selections. The Mountain West and Western Athletic conferences, ranked 11th and 13th, respectively, each secured two spots.

Benson said that isn't necessarily noteworthy.

"The committee selects teams based on team performance, and we don't select teams based on strength of conference," he said. "We use that as one of our tools, but it's only one of many tools we use."

<a href='http://www.thestarpress.com/articles/6/036396-1636-006.html' target='_blank'>http://www.thestarpress.com/articles/6/036...6-1636-006.html</a>
FalconFan,

Thanks for the link. I did not know one could get to the station so easily. I spent about half an hour trying to figure out how to get to that station, including a Google search. I thought I was real clever when I eventually figured it out. Now you give me a simple and direct link. I'm a lilttle embarrassed. It's like walking around the house for half an hour looking for your car keys only to find they are in one of the pockets of the jacket you are wearing. In any event, thanks again for the link. I will listen to the program this afternoon.
Vandelay Wrote:I'll be on the Kenny Rhoda show tomorrow afternoon from 5:15 - 5:30
We will be talking about the MAC Snub in the NCAA and other MAC issues
For those in the Cleveland area, it's AM radio 850
Way to go, Nick! I'll go on my break at work late so I can listen to the show. I usually listen to Kenny on the way home from Independence, where I work.

Tell the Road Man "Falconfreak" said hey! He'll know who I am. 03-wink Kenny supports the MAC and is a good one on our side.

04-rock
I get 850 in Toledo, and listen to it on a daily basis.

good luck
zrb2 Wrote:
IULurker Wrote:Good news, Nick.&nbsp; I don't know if you want to mention it, but Bowlsby made a major boo-boo when discussing the Miami and Buffalo in the St. Louis paper.&nbsp; We have always been told that the league you play in does not matter. However he is quoted as saying that the reason Miami and Buffalo were left out was that the MAC has too many teams in the bottom half of the RPI.&nbsp; I thought they said it doesn't matter what league you play in.

<a href='http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/sports/stories.nsf/ncaatournament/story/4411195F167E8A1A86256FC5001F1F62?OpenDocument' target='_blank'>Bowlsby</a>

According to Ken Pomroys RPI calculations, the MAC has four teams in the lower half of the RPI (>165) which is the same as CUSA.&nbsp; The MVC has only two in the lower half.&nbsp; Bowlsby has also been quoted by other sources as saying that the out of conference strength of schedule was important in determining who was selected for the last few slots.&nbsp; Miami's OOC SOS was 79 while UNI's was 118 and UAB's was 115.&nbsp; It is amazing people are taking what Bowlsby says at face value, it appears half the things out of his mouth are incorrect.
So very true when you look at this quote from Karl Benson (of the selection committee) in the Muncie Press article.
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According to rpiratings.com, the MAC was the ninth-ranked conference this season. While the MAC put one team in the NCAA Tournament, three leagues ranked below the MAC combined for eight entries. Conference USA, ranked 10th, had four selections. The Mountain West and Western Athletic conferences, ranked 11th and 13th, respectively, each secured two spots.

Benson said that isn't necessarily noteworthy.

"The committee selects teams based on team performance, and we don't select teams based on strength of conference," he said. "We use that as one of our tools, but it's only one of many tools we use."

<a href='http://www.thestarpress.com/articles/6/036396-1636-006.html' target='_blank'>http://www.thestarpress.com/articles/6/036...6-1636-006.html</a>
THats kind of a slap in the face coming from a former M.A.C. commish.
"Tools" is right.
zrb2 Wrote:
IULurker Wrote:Good news, Nick.&nbsp; I don't know if you want to mention it, but Bowlsby made a major boo-boo when discussing the Miami and Buffalo in the St. Louis paper.&nbsp; We have always been told that the league you play in does not matter. However he is quoted as saying that the reason Miami and Buffalo were left out was that the MAC has too many teams in the bottom half of the RPI.&nbsp; I thought they said it doesn't matter what league you play in.

<a href='http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/sports/stories.nsf/ncaatournament/story/4411195F167E8A1A86256FC5001F1F62?OpenDocument' target='_blank'>Bowlsby</a>

According to Ken Pomroys RPI calculations, the MAC has four teams in the lower half of the RPI (>165) which is the same as CUSA.&nbsp; The MVC has only two in the lower half.&nbsp; Bowlsby has also been quoted by other sources as saying that the out of conference strength of schedule was important in determining who was selected for the last few slots.&nbsp; Miami's OOC SOS was 79 while UNI's was 118 and UAB's was 115.&nbsp; It is amazing people are taking what Bowlsby says at face value, it appears half the things out of his mouth are incorrect.
So very true when you look at this quote from Karl Benson (of the selection committee) in the Muncie Press article.
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According to rpiratings.com, the MAC was the ninth-ranked conference this season. While the MAC put one team in the NCAA Tournament, three leagues ranked below the MAC combined for eight entries. Conference USA, ranked 10th, had four selections. The Mountain West and Western Athletic conferences, ranked 11th and 13th, respectively, each secured two spots.

Benson said that isn't necessarily noteworthy.

"The committee selects teams based on team performance, and we don't select teams based on strength of conference," he said. "We use that as one of our tools, but it's only one of many tools we use."

<a href='http://www.thestarpress.com/articles/6/036396-1636-006.html' target='_blank'>http://www.thestarpress.com/articles/6/036...6-1636-006.html</a>
Let's be consistant though. Even though the Mountain West, C-USA and WAC got more than one club in despite the conferences being ranked lower, all the teams that got the at-large bids from those conferences (save UAB) were more worthy than Miami or Buffalo.

Actually, since C-USA played like a mid-major, maybe we should be happy that the committee's last choice was UAB. Yeah, it should have been Buffalo, but at least it wasn't Maryland or Notre Dame.
Lest we forget, Iowa State blows dead goats. They lost all three nonconference road games they played, and fattened up to 18 wins on the likes of Northern Colorado, Drake, Howard, Wagner, and Tennesse State.

And UAB didn't beat anyone who made the tournament.
I'd love to be listening but the radio station's P.O.S. Windows Media Stream refuses to work. Even Bill gates hates the MAC. 03-razz

-Dan
YOu can download a version of Windows Media Player that works on MAC's. I have an iMac running Jaguar and that's what I listen to the Kenny Roda and Jim Rome on!

By the way Vandelay, good insight! You should have plugged vandelaysports.com! Bring in some more fresh blood!
Photodan Wrote:I'd love to be listening but the radio station's P.O.S. Windows Media Stream refuses to work. Even Bill gates hates the MAC. 03-razz

-Dan
I couldn't get it working either... stream just kept timing out.
Can anyone that listened please summarize.
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