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Saturday, April 02, 2005Barbara

Waltersbwalters@kalamazoogazette.com

The Paw Paw man who threw salad dressing over the head and shirt of the conservative political figure Pat Buchanan at Western Michigan University Thursday makes his living as a prep cook at an "upscale place" in Kalamazoo, he said.
Samuel Mesick, 24, also is a full-time student at Kalamazoo Valley Community College with no declared major, according to school records.
A 1998 graduate of Paw Paw High School, Mesick faces a misdemeanor charge for disturbing the peace when he is arraigned April 14. Western police arrested Mesick after the incident, which occurred at the end of a 45-minute speech by Buchanan. He is free on $100 bond.
Mesick said he openly carried the thick, white Caesar dressing into the WMU Bernhard center in a covered Styrofoam drinking cup. He'd planned the act several days in advance because he considered the timing of Buchanan's visit on Cesar Chavez Day "a slap in the face."
Representatives of student groups who also opposed Buchanan's views condemned Mesick's act, with one calling it "ridiculous and disrespectful."
"I do feel bad hearing about that," Mesick said of the reaction. However, his friends and his employer have been very supportive, Mesick said, as well as his father. His mother is out of town, but he said he is sure she will be supportive, too, when she comes home and finds out.
Mesick said he's unlike many people his age because he doesn't own a television and he reads a lot. His hair style -- a mohawk -- is part of that lifestyle of being different, he said.
"When you look different, it's a way to show you're not part of the mainstream," he said.
Mesick has no prior criminal record, according to Van Buren and Kalamazoo court records.
The consequences of his act Thursday "crossed his mind," beforehand, he said, and he expected to be charged with a misdemeanor. He was, however, also prepared to be charged with a felony, a more serious charge that WMU Associate Vice President Matt Kurz said Buchanan could have requested.
Mesick said he opposes Buchanan because of his immigration views that he said discriminate against Latinos and what Mesick said is Buchanan's "revisionist" position on the Holocaust.
A member of the national Socialist party, he participated in the Million Worker March in Washington, D.C., and in teach-ins about worker causes, he said.
"I don't want to do this as self-aggrandizement," Mesick said. "I want people to think about the cause, not me."
WMU's Kurz doesn't see it that way.
"It was a very diverse, very well-behaved group, by and large, who attended the event," Kurz said. "They gave Buchanan the ability to express his views," even though at least 25 percent didn't agree with his views, Kurz said. Buchanan "made his points in a way that was not inflammatory," and he did not dodge questions, Kurz said.
"So we were very disappointed. He (Mesick) disrupted what had been a very good event, to get his own few minutes in the spotlight."
Et tu Bruti?
Very mature action. :rolleyes:

Yet consistent with most childish liberal antics.
Should be an assault charge along with disturbing the peace.Mr.Mesick should have considered other ways to express his opinions.

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The Knight Time Wrote:Very mature action.  :rolleyes:

Yet consistent with most childish liberal antics.
Antics? After these past two weeks you fools want to talk ANTICS???
A member of the National Socialist Party. Now there's a shocker. :rolleyes:

A twentysomething full-time community college student with no major in mind, sporting a pink mohawk, and throws things at people whose points he disagrees with. So when he finds it difficult landing a decent paying job, he'll blame "capitalism" and the "bougeous system" for his woes and will demand subsidies from the government (taxpayers). Spoken like a true socialist.
Exactly Motown. He's just another punk who's lost his way.
I find it ironic that some state they should throw bricks at a person then question acts of, for the most part, persons attempting to save one religous values (Schiavo) as antics. Try to telling other faiths how to act.


Anti catholicism (in that respect christianity) is the only acceptable prejudice allowed.


BTW. its become apparent for the socialists their only response they can think of is to attack consevatives w/physical violence (See Coulter and Kristol speeches).

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connerito Wrote:I find it ironic that some state they should throw bricks at a person then question acts of, for the most part, persons attempting to save one religous values (Schiavo) as antics. Try to telling other faiths how to act.


Anti catholicism (in that respect christianity) is the only acceptable prejudice allowed.


BTW. its become apparent for the socialists their only response they can think of is to attack consevatives w/physical violence (See Coulter and Kristol speeches).
This is just one punk, who has no life. Don't try and blame liberals or conservatives. Next thing you know he'll shave his head and join the Michigan Militia.

One thing is certain.

Buchanon stole the 2000 election from Gore, when the ex-New Yorkers in Lauderdale and Miami "accidentally" voted for him.

JEB pushed the results through like ****** through a goose.


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connerito Wrote:I find it ironic that some state they should throw bricks at a person then question acts of, for the most part, persons attempting to save one religous values (Schiavo) as antics. Try to telling other faiths how to act.


Anti catholicism (in that  respect christianity) is the only acceptable prejudice allowed.


BTW. its become apparent for the socialists their only response they can think of is to attack consevatives w/physical violence (See Coulter and Kristol speeches).
My God! What time does Happy Hour start by you?

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connerito Wrote:I find it ironic that some state they should throw bricks at a person then question acts of, for the most part, persons attempting to save one religous values (Schiavo) as antics. Try to telling other faiths how to act.


Anti catholicism (in that respect christianity) is the only acceptable prejudice allowed.


BTW. its become apparent for the socialists their only response they can think of is to attack consevatives w/physical violence (See Coulter and Kristol speeches).
I find it ironic that anyone in this country is stupid enough to try and frame this debate in that way when their fearless leader, as Governor of Texas set records for executing prisoners, including people whose lawyers literally napped through the trial and the mentally retarded, all while signing the Advance Directive Act. The point man in this discussion calls the husband of the woman in question a "killer" when he himself had the feeding tube pulled on his father. One of the handful of protestors being meddling pests outside of the hospital, a very vocal and visible leader of the rabble, was a convicted child predator. Another once tried to send a box of fetuses to a President he disagreed with.

Another irony is that Geedubya acted immediately and flew back in the middle of the night from one of his many vacations to sign an unconstitutional bill (<a href='http://www.techlawjournal.com/glossary/legal/attainder.htm' target='_blank'>Bill of Attainder</a>) into law, yet took 7 minutes to continue listening to "My Pet Goat" when we were attacked by terrorists, took 3 days before making a statement (from vacation) with regards to the tsunamis, and when presented with a document entitled "Bin Laden Determined to Strike in U.S." he went fishing.

However, probably most ironic are the fools who are so up in arms about a woman being allowed to die, according to her wishes and her husband's wishes, are the same idiots who support an unjustified war that has killed more than 100,000 innocent Iraqi civilians, mostly women and children. How many American parents have had to suffer the unimaginable pain of being told that their child has died because their government sent them off to war for reasons that have been exposed as completely fictitious? Yet a woman, in a vegetative state, being allowed to die, as she wanted (except without the dignity that the press, Congress and the President denied her) is reason for wailing and gnashing of teeth.

Another irony is that you cry about anti-Catholicism because anti-abortion whackos are being ridiculed, but don't comment on fundie after fundie who was quoted making derogatory comments about Catholicism on CNN yesterday afternoon.

Pies and salad dressing are such WMD's. :rolleyes:
LakelandRocket Wrote:JEB pushed the results through like ****** through a goose.


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And that canard continues by people who don't know sh!t about the election process and - specifically - the state laws which govern that election process.

Read more, presume less.
Oddball Wrote:same idiots who support an unjustified war that has killed more than 100,000 innocent Iraqi civilians, mostly women and children.
100,000 civilians? Please cite.
Back to the original topic...

Here's what is so ironic about the salad dressing thrower case. The guy, an admitted socialist, hates Buchanan because he wants tighter anti-immigration laws.

I'm sorry, but what does this guy think would happen if the United States ever became socialist? Open borders for all? Last I checked, you couldn't just waltz in and out of Cuba, North Korea, and China, nor do I recall the borders of pre-1990 Eastern Europe and USSR being a porous free-for-all.

Another bit of irony is that many migrant Mexicans sneak into the U.S. because they are paid at or under minimum wage (under the table) to do menial labor. It's not good money, of course, but it's better than having no job and no money in Vincente Fox's Mexico. If the socialists had their way, the minimum wage would be doubled AND would be strictly enforced, meaning that the migrant workers would not get hired at all by American farmers and factories.

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Rightupinthere Wrote:
LakelandRocket Wrote:JEB pushed the results through like ****** through a goose.


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And that canard continues by people who don't know sh!t about the election process and - specifically - the state laws which govern that election process.

Read more, presume less.
Katherine Harris

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
LakelandRocket Wrote:
Rightupinthere Wrote:
LakelandRocket Wrote:JEB pushed the results through like ****** through a goose.


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And that canard continues by people who don't know sh!t about the election process and - specifically - the state laws which govern that election process.

Read more, presume less.
Katherine Harris

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
Again, knowing the FL election law as I do (it's a hobby of mine), how were her actions 1: illegal and 2: unethical?

She HAD to certify the election within a certain time frame BY LAW. She HAD to do that because she was duty bound to the STATE. That doesn't sound like she "pushed anything through" does it?

With ALL of the research and investigations which happened right after the 2000 election there should have been at least SOMETHING which would show that she acted 1: illegally, and 2: unethically. And if there had been proof she should have been arrested and put on trial - which didn't happen.

I edited some of what I said towards the end out. I was over stepping the boundries reasoned discourse. The snow we're having is having an adverse effect on my disposition today. I apologize.

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Rightupinthere Wrote:
LakelandRocket Wrote:
Rightupinthere Wrote:
LakelandRocket Wrote:JEB pushed the results through like ****** through a goose.


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And that canard continues by people who don't know sh!t about the election process and - specifically - the state laws which govern that election process.

Read more, presume less.
Katherine Harris

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
Again, knowing the FL election law as I do (it's a hobby of mine), how were her actions 1: illegal and 2: unethical?

She HAD to certify the election within a certain time frame BY LAW. She HAD to do that because she was duty bound to the STATE. That doesn't sound like she "pushed anything through" does it?

With ALL of the research and investigations which happened right after the 2000 election there should have been at least SOMETHING which would show that she acted 1: illegally, and 2: unethically. And if there had been proof she should have been arrested and put on trial - which didn't happen.

I edited some of what I said towards the end out. I was over stepping the boundries reasoned discourse. The snow we're having is having an adverse effect on my disposition today. I apologize.
You've obviously done the research. Are you a lawyer?

I was a little facetious about Buchanon and the election mess. Anyway, what's a couple of hundred votes between friends?

I know what it isn't. ........ A mandate.

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Rightupinthere Wrote:
Oddball Wrote:same idiots who support an unjustified war that has killed more than 100,000 innocent Iraqi civilians, mostly women and children.
100,000 civilians? Please cite.
Lancet. Link currently unavailable.

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Not the actual article, but an article about the article. Best I can manage right now.

<a href='http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A7967-2004Oct28.html' target='_blank'>http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/artic...-2004Oct28.html</a>
Uhh, the Washington Post, thats pretty credible right up there with,ehhh, the New York Times. An estimate of deaths from the Washington Posts Stein is similar to a NY Times Blair article.

How do you know all the protesters at the hospice were happy w/the war ? In fact I bet most were not. Jesse Jackson was there spouting about Tort Reform and how Michael Schiavo ( who remembered 7 years after the fact that his ex wife ( yes two kids and a live in girlfriend) says in an off handed comment she didn't want food and water to live, something all 20+ kids talk about, should she ever be comatosed) could not have taken care of her w/out the 3 million dollars he secured for himself and the 700,00 put in a trust for Terri ( of which most was spent on legal fees and Dr. expert fees so Michael could shut her down, against her Roman Catholic religion beliefs, not on her insurance paid for care). Michael spent none of his own money. Then he refuses a proper catholic burial.

Catholicism still the last accepted prejudice. Sorry some follow their Pope in accepting the catholic law and disagree w/the disposal of the unborn and unprotected.
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