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I humbly request that both of you Akron fans refrain from shooting the messenger here.

<a href='http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2005/writers/peter_king/04/11/mmqb.draft/index.html' target='_blank'>http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2005/writ...raft/index.html</a>

Oh, why not, just for sport:
:biggun:

Last night on Sports Center, Mel Kiper has Frye going in the 2nd round.

Overrated and underrated are very vague words.
As a first round pick this year, Frye is probably overrated. As a third round pick, he is probably underrated. :rolleyes: Depends if you want to call him one or the other.
I'm glad to call him "gone."
:wave:

I didn't get the impression from the article that the guy watched much tape on Frye, and certainly not as much as the others. He may be anti-MAC or just one of those guys who can't believe regular talent comes from the MAC - only the occasional blip, like Ben. Whatever. I hope Charlie reads it. This kind of stuff only motivates him more.

I see Frye going to the Cleveland Browns with their second pick. I hope so, that would be great for the MAC to have another NFL quarterback within the conference footprint.

I keep hearing about Green Bay in the first round. The scouts keep having positive things to say about Charlie. Some short statement from an SI guy who probably watched two minutes of tape doesn't mean much.

I have a hard time believing that any MAC player can be overrated. The national media does not pay that much attention to players from our conference. It would be real tough for a MAC to be overrated.

I wouldn't be surprised to learn that this guy reccomended the Browns draft Couch. Why? He came from a big conference, so you could ignore that he played hard one day, slacked the next. Shouldn't be a problem in the NFL. (where's the smiley that gives the finger???) I saw that one comming big time, should've taken McNAbb!

The MAC produces better prepared Quarterbacks because we don't have the same depth as those "BIG TYME" schools. Charlie will be fine in the NFL becasue he had to work his a$$ off for the Zips. Result, better decision making ala Big Ben who was great until he met the perfect defense.

How many times have these guys promoted a big time QB, who fell flat. All the while ignoring what really helps develop talent.

? What conference did Bret Favre play in?

? Why is the Univ. of Cincinnati known for producing better linemen than OSU?

A: Wouldn't know, their teams arent hyped on ESPN.

It is apparent, this guy doesn't believe you can be a talent unless you've shared a schedule similar to Notre Dames', who ofcousre has enjoyed great success in the draft over the last 10 years!

Thats my rant anyways :mad:

The MAC
better ingredients!
better football!
:bluethumb:

I think most of the QB's in this year's draft are probably overrated.

It is impossible for any Akron player to be overrated, ever.

WallyB Wrote:The MAC produces better prepared Quarterbacks because we don't have the same depth as those "BIG TYME" schools. Charlie will be fine in the NFL becasue he had to work his a$$ off for the Zips. Result, better decision making ala Big Ben who was great until he met the perfect defense.

How many times have these guys promoted a big time QB, who fell flat. All the while ignoring what really helps develop talent.

? What conference did Bret Favre play in?

? Why is the Univ. of Cincinnati known for producing better linemen than OSU?

A: Wouldn't know, their teams arent hyped on ESPN.

I believe that (generally) less prosperous schools produce better QBs simply because they don't have the depth of talent at the OL and WR positions. Simply put, they do have to learn to run an offense and read the defenses, becuase the Florida system of "you can't cover all 5 of our WRs" just doesn't apply.

Brett Farve didn't play in a conference. Southern Miss was an independent while he was there.

Cincinnati produces better linemen than tOSU, because thugs are naturally better linemen. :D

msopher Wrote:I think most of the QB's in this year's draft are probably overrated.

Yeah, but Adrian McPherson is looking good. :rolleyes:

Seroiusly, if McPherson got his act together, more power to him. But it seems like these media are creating stories as the draft nears.

Frye is the real deal. I live 10 minutes from the Rubber Bowl and saw him play numerous times. If these "experts" can't see the talent in this guy.... :chair:

I hope Frye is a huge success in the NFL.

Peter King is a dolt. Did he watch the NFL last year?
Or, even hear about the relative performances
of Big Ben and Eli Manning?

"This looks like a great NFL player." Ditto each of the other last four top picks, really -- Michael Vick (2001), David Carr (2002) and Eli Manning (2004) ... though I could respect the arguments of those last year who put Robert Gallery, Philip Rivers, Ben Roethlisberger, Sean Taylor or Kellen Winslow in the discussion with Manning.

Put Ben Roethlisberger in the discussion with Manning??????????

sarasotahuskie Wrote:Peter King is a dolt. Did he watch the NFL last year?
Or, even hear about the relative performances
of Big Ben and Eli Manning?

King, among many others, was a big defender of Eli.

It's NYC. What do you expect? They've got to hype the guy.

Put him on the Cardinals w/ that record and they'd call him "Tim Couch" or "Ryan Leaf".

I liked their reasons for him being overrated.

axeme Wrote:Oh, why not, just for sport:
:biggun:

Sport shooting of Oddball?

Are you planning to mount him? :eek:

sarasotahuskie Wrote:

axeme Wrote:Oh, why not, just for sport:
:biggun:

Sport shooting?

Are you planning to mount Oddy? :eek:

Nah, that's been done too many times already.

Who is that guy ranked just ahead of Charlie?




IA National Player Report
Passing Efficiency
Year: 2004 Thru: 01/05/05 Minimum Pct. of Games Played 75, 15 Attempts Per Game
Rank Player Pos Cl Gm Patt Pcomp Comppct Int Intpct Pyds Ydspatt TDs TDpct Rating
1 Stefan Lefors, Louisville QB SR 12 257 189 73.54 3 1.17 2596 10.10 20 7.78 181.7
2 Alex Smith, Utah QB JR 12 317 214 67.51 4 1.26 2952 9.31 32 10.09 176.5
3 Jason Campbell, Auburn QB SR 13 270 188 69.63 7 2.59 2700 10.00 20 7.41 172.9
4 Omar Jacobs, Bowling Green QB SO 12 462 309 66.88 4 .87 4002 8.66 41 8.87 167.2
5 Bruce Gradkowski, Toledo QB JR 13 399 280 70.18 8 2.01 3518 8.82 27 6.77 162.6
6 Jason White, Oklahoma QB SR 13 390 255 65.38 9 2.31 3205 8.22 35 8.97 159.4
7 Matt Leinart, Southern California QB JR 13 412 269 65.29 6 1.46 3322 8.06 33 8.01 156.5
8 Aaron Rodgers, California QB JR 12 316 209 66.14 8 2.53 2566 8.12 24 7.59 154.3
9 Lester Ricard, Tulane QB SO 9 231 143 61.90 9 3.90 1881 8.14 21 9.09 152.5
10 Kyle Orton, Purdue QB SR 11 389 236 60.67 5 1.29 3090 7.94 31 7.97 151.1
11 Buck Pierce, New Mexico St. QB SR 11 285 191 67.02 5 1.75 2253 7.91 16 5.61 148.4
12 David Greene, Georgia QB SR 12 299 175 58.53 4 1.34 2508 8.39 20 6.69 148.4
13 Jared Zabransky, Boise St. QB SO 12 327 206 63.00 12 3.67 2927 8.95 16 4.89 147.0
14 Darrell Hackney, UAB QB JR 12 358 197 55.03 8 2.23 3070 8.58 26 7.26 146.6
15 Gino Guidugli, Cincinnati QB SR 11 342 210 61.40 8 2.34 2633 7.70 26 7.60 146.5
16 Chris Leak, Florida QB SO 12 399 238 59.65 12 3.01 3197 8.01 29 7.27 144.9
17 Rasheed Marshall, West Virginia QB SR 12 242 144 59.50 9 3.72 1886 7.79 19 7.85 143.4
18 Donovan Woods, Oklahoma St. QB FR 12 187 97 51.87 5 2.67 1628 8.71 13 6.95 142.6
19 Joshua Haldi, Northern Ill. QB SR 9 179 94 52.51 4 2.23 1384 7.73 15 8.38 140.6
20 Charlie Frye, Akron QB SR 11 346 220 63.58 8 2.31 2623 7.58 18 5.20 139.8
21 Sonny Cumbie, Texas Tech QB SR 12 642 421 65.58 18 2.80 4742 7.39 32 4.98 138.5
22 Andrew Walter, Arizona St. QB SR 11 426 244 57.28 9 2.11 3150 7.39 30 7.04 138.4
23 Brock Berlin, Miami (Fla.) QB SR 12 348 195 56.03 6 1.72 2680 7.70 22 6.32 138.1
24 Clint Marks, Middle Tenn. St. QB SO 11 368 259 70.38 14 3.80 2749 7.47 14 3.80 138.1
25 Josh Betts, Miami (Ohio) QB JR 13 444 268 60.36 14 3.15 3510 7.91 23 5.18 137.6



MAC has 5 in the top 25. Not too shabby.

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sarasotahuskie Wrote:Who is that guy ranked just ahead of Charlie?

If you could combine that guy with Charlie, maybe he'd be up there with Bruce and Omar.