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Diles resigns amidst controversy
EMU investigates football, basketball attendance reports


By Nathan Bomey / News Editor
TUESDAY, MAY 10, 2005


An internal committee set up to investigate Eastern Michigan's home football and basketball attendance figures has delivered its report to the university president.

The report has not been released yet, but committee chairman Jim Vick indicated that it could have an impact on how EMU reports its attendance figures. He also said the report could have "implications for the league," the Mid-American Conference.

EMU interim President Craig Dean Willis ordered the investigation last month after the Echo published a report detailing major discrepancies between football attendance figures reported by the university and numbers produced by the ticket management office.

Willis said he is not yet ready to release the details of the report. He has contacted the NCAA and the MAC to discuss attendance figures and the new attendance policy established by the NCAA Division 1 Board of Directors on April 28. He said he wants to know how the policy will affect the university.

For the first time, EMU officials publicly questioned the authenticity of the attendance figures being reported by the rest of the schools in the MAC.

"All the other schools in the MAC inflate their numbers, too," Willis said.

The committee's report, which apparently runs close to seven pages, doesn't refute figures printed in the Echo, Willis and Vick confirmed.

"It substantiates everything that [was] reported in the paper," Vick said. "The information from the Echo report was corroborated."

On the committee, Vick worked with Karen Simpkins, the associate vice president for student affairs, and faculty union President Howard Bunsis, who also serves as faculty representative to the athletic department. Vick is the vice president for student affairs.

During exams week last month, Athletic Director Dave Diles announced his resignation to become the athletic director of Case Western Reserve University, a Division III school in Cleveland.

What the committee's report will reveal about how Diles and the rest of the department handled the attendance numbers remains unclear.

Diles has not responded to Echo calls seeking comment since his resignation. But in the Detroit News on April 27, he called the original Echo report "well-intentioned but misinformed."

"It's a lot to do about nothing," he told the paper.

Diles started working for Case Western on Monday. But he won't be there full-time until after May 31, his last official day at EMU, Willis said.

News that the report has been completed comes after the NCAA Board of Directors voted to alter the attendance requirement April 28.

The old requirement stipulated that universities had to average 15,000 people in "actual attendance," meaning that schools couldn't count people who had a ticket but didn't attend a game. Coming short of that requirement would have put universities in danger of losing Division 1 status.

But the policy was changed to require universities to average 15,000 in paid attendance in one of every two years. That will be easier for schools to meet, primarily because season ticket holders who don't attend games can now be counted.

However, EMU didn't come close to 15,000 in paid attendance last year. For the five games at Rynearson Stadium, the university distributed a total of 22,258 tickets, according to university documents obtained by the Echo through the Freedom of Information Act. That's equal to an average of 4,451 per game, a figure that includes sold tickets and complimentary tickets.

Those numbers do not include students, who get free admission to all EMU home athletic events. But the difference between 15,000 and 4,451 is equal to almost half of Eastern's student population.

The average number of fans who attended the five games at Rynearson last year was 6,188, according to figures produced by the ticket management office. If the reported attendance figure for the game played at Ford Field last year is included in that average, it comes to 9,227.

Last fall, the university reported an average of 16,060 fans for the six home dates.

Guest

Whose turn was it to grab their ankles when you and Greenie Stevie were cackling about this particular non-issue? Were you comforting him because the attendance regs he's been crowing about for three years didn't materialize like he'd envisioned?

Btw, watching your team's slide after cheating their way through the MAC was delicious. I look forward to watching it continue. :wave:
Ahh, MAKO, it's with a certain irony I note your return to the board......after all your past lectures to us about "traveling fans"(and how Marshall had 'em whereas no other MAC teams did), you didn't show up to explain when the Herd took a whooping 1,000 fans out to the Fort Worth Bowl, and when the attendance regs you hoped would sink the MAC evaporated, you were nowhere to be seen, but alas, yes, when there's a negative attendance report affecting the MAC, you are back in all your glory! :rolleyes:

I probably wasted my time posting on the C-USA board about the same subject, as if there isn't some "attendance inflation" all over the place! (I've seen a few C-USA games...and bowls.... on ESPN, you know, and chuckled over the "announced" attendance figures).

Well, have fun with it, and be sure to visit again after we verify if the Herd men finish dead last in the all sports trophy race in the MAC this year. Now there's an irony for 'ya.....C-USA takes the MAC's last place football team (UCF), and then takes the program that's probably worst in all the rest!
The best irony here is that by posting and bolding the one statement, Marshall fans are admitting that they inflate their attendance, since they are, after all, part of the all the quote refers to. 03-lol
As I noted <a href='http://www.ncaabbs.com/forums/confusa/invision/index.php?act=ST&f=22&t=25120' target='_blank'>elsewhere</a>, it must suck to be y'all and live in a world where the attendance rules turned out to be a joke but the NCAA academic progress report requirements will have real teeth. I suggest that you go browbeat the folks from Rice and Tulane about attendance until they come to appreciate you as much as we have. We've seen your schtick, and it's tired, stupid, and irrelevant.

Hey, Odd, now that Mako has seen his shadow, doesn't that mean that there's only about six more weeks of Herd?

<a href='http://www.goodbyeherd.com' target='_blank'>http://www.goodbyeherd.com</a>
This is The Detroit News report that Echo story refers to:

<a href='http://www.detnews.com/2005/college/0505/01/C03-163822.htm' target='_blank'>http://www.detnews.com/2005/college/0505/0.../C03-163822.htm</a>

It doesn't shed much light on anything.

Maybe adding Temple isn't so dumb after all?

On another note, Mako is acting a bit like herpes, bless his heart.
exCincy Kid1 Wrote:Well, have fun with it, and be sure to visit again after we verify if the Herd men finish dead last in the all sports trophy race in the MAC this year. Now there's an irony for 'ya.....C-USA takes the MAC's last place football team (UCF), and then takes the program that's probably worst in all the rest!
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: 04-bow 04-bow 04-bow

The irony of this is side splitting. Thanks, guys, I needed a good laugh today.
by-pissing...I mean by-PASSING the flame throwing on this one it still is what it is...EMBARRASSING.



Yea EMU is/has been shall we say "weak" re attendance and most "Mid- Majors", if not all have issues that are typically cyclical ( Hello Northern! :) )

The fact remains that until the Athletic departments are given the tools($03-wink by the Alumni & Institutions to PROMOTE their programs and until we can get PROFESSIONALS who know HOW to do THAT then the "pissing in the wind festival" will continue. Personally I am ALL FOR ATTENDANCE MANDATES!!! Get off your lazy, coat-tailing turd outlets and make it happen! I am afraid with the ambiguity surrounding this issue of late along with the addition of the 12th game ( which I love) the programs that are not forced to comply will instead skate
Really? I'm a lot more concerned about universities that ignore academic standards and engage in wholesale classroom fraud whilst passing themselves off as intercollegiate amateur sports programs.

If I wanted to watch a bunch of illicitly paid dolts knock each other silly in semi-pro football, well . . . I guess I'd probably follow the Buckeyes.

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DevilGrad Wrote:Hey, Odd, now that Mako has seen his shadow, doesn't that mean that there's only about six more weeks of Herd?

<a href='http://www.goodbyeherd.com' target='_blank'>http://www.goodbyeherd.com</a>
7.2857142857142857142857142857143 weeks, to be exact. :D

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Schadenfreude Wrote:Mako is acting a bit like herpes, bless his heart.
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Anonymous

Next thing you know, this EMU ******* will want money for fakepuntgate!

03-razz
LakelandRocket Wrote:Next thing you know, this EMU ******* will want money for fakepuntgate!

03-razz
No money required. A simple forfeit will suffice.
DevilGrad Wrote:Really? I'm a lot more concerned about universities that ignore academic standards and engage in wholesale classroom fraud whilst passing themselves off as intercollegiate amateur sports programs.

If I wanted to watch a bunch of illicitly paid dolts knock each other silly in semi-pro football, well . . . I guess I'd probably follow the Buckeyes.
WTF are you talking about??

your statement has NOTHING to do with my point...and if that is what your concerned about (fraudulent academics for the "illicitly paid dolts" ) then why don't you take your flamethrower over to academia.com instead of a sports forum??

And WTF do mean "illicitly paid dolts"??? That statement alone sends you to the corner with the Dunce Cap...


Do me a favor - clarify your point while TRYING to relate it to the subject of this thread- ATTENDANCE ( or lack there-of)
[gets out folding chair, lights good Cuban cigar, cracks open cold one, watches with gleeful anticipation]

Carry on!

:wave:

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Hand me one of those cold ones and we'll sing an old Jim Croce song.
Nasty Wrote:
DevilGrad Wrote:Really?&nbsp; I'm a lot more concerned about universities that ignore academic standards and engage in wholesale classroom fraud whilst passing themselves off as intercollegiate amateur sports programs.&nbsp;

If I wanted to watch a bunch of illicitly paid dolts knock each other silly in semi-pro football, well . . . I guess I'd probably follow the Buckeyes.
WTF are you talking about??

your statement has NOTHING to do with my point...and if that is what your concerned about (fraudulent academics for the "illicitly paid dolts" ) then why don't you take your flamethrower over to academia.com instead of a sports forum??

And WTF do mean "illicitly paid dolts"??? That statement alone sends you to the corner with the Dunce Cap...


Do me a favor - clarify your point while TRYING to relate it to the subject of this thread- ATTENDANCE ( or lack there-of)
Very well, then. Let's take this slowly.

My point -- which has been consistent over the last eight years -- is that attendance is a ridiculously inappropriate measure of a university's commitment to Division I athletics and that no rational organization that claims to foster amateur competition would impose it as a requirement for continued participation.

If a university chooses to join Division I, sponsors the requisite number of sports, and awards enough scholarships to carry on the level of competitive activity necessary to step onto the playing field, Roy Kramer, Myles Brand, and the greedheads who run the BCS have no business telling that university that it cannot continue to participate at that level merely because other universities have been more successful in marketing themselves as an entertainment product.

I continue to operate from the apparently outdated belief that the primary goal of intercollegiate athletics is to foster sports competition among students and that the NCAA should bear that goal in mind in setting competitive criteria.

It appears that, with the promulgation of the new NCAA academic progress report rules, the NCAA may have re-discovered its commitment to these principles as well. I find it very instructive to see which programs are falling short of the new APR requirements and very telling that many of the ****** internet fans who have been so quick to browbeat everyone with the attendance requirements for the past five years can't be bothered to take the time to read up on real reforms that may actually affect their favorite teams.

As for the illicitly paid dolts in Columbus, I invite you to Google something like "troy smith booster buckeye $500." You can also try "clarett." For simple dolts without concrete evidence of illicitly paid, try, for example, "katzenmoyer, andy" or "tennessee football bensel-meyers." For illicitly paid with only the inference of dolt, try, for example, "albert means." You also could go to NCAA.org and look up the December 2001 infractions report for a soon-to-be-former member of the MAC. I won't belabor the point.

Thus, my prior statement has EVERYTHING to do with your point -- to wit, that your point is senseless, ill-conceived, morally and logically indefensible, and, to boot, incomprehensible.

Or, to put it in language you might actually understand, if all you care about in college sports is attendance and winning, why don't you just drop the charade and become a full-time NFL fan?

Now, do me a favor and stick that Dunce Cap you wanted to award up your ****** -- sideways.
Oddball Wrote:Hand me one of those cold ones and we'll sing an old Jim Croce song.
"...You don't tug on Superman's cape,you don't spit into the wind..."
DevilGrad Wrote:If I wanted to watch a bunch of illicitly paid dolts knock each other silly in semi-pro football, well . . . I guess I'd probably follow the Buckeyes.
I guess I'm a bit disappointed by your choice DG

<a href='http://www.limawarriors.com/index-old.html' target='_blank'>http://www.limawarriors.com/index-old.html</a>
04-bow 03-lol 04-bow

I gues that means this thread is over...
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