The Flash Wrote:The funding issue is another reason why KSU hates Akron. Akron was a glorified community college at the time. After May 4, 1970, the esteemed James Rhodes cut off all funding to KSU. Dix Stadium is where it is because plans were that a medical school and law school would be built at Kent and the campus would stretch that far. The med school is now a consortium of KSU, YSU and UA while Akron got the law school.
Rhodes took it out on Kent and Akron got Kent's funds. If I recall correctly, a new building was not built on the Kent campus until the early 1980s. Thus, Akron has the James A. Rhodes Arena and some of us at Kent would prefer to p*ss on the plaque.
The University of Akron School of Law was established in 1921, I believe a bit before Rhodes' tenure. Where can you substantiate that Kent was to have a School of Law?
Schadenfreude Wrote:The Flash Wrote:The funding issue is another reason why KSU hates Akron. Akron was a glorified community college at the time. After May 4, 1970, the esteemed James Rhodes cut off all funding to KSU. Dix Stadium is where it is because plans were that a medical school and law school would be built at Kent and the campus would stretch that far. The med school is now a consortium of KSU, YSU and UA while Akron got the law school.
Rhodes took it out on Kent and Akron got Kent's funds. If I recall correctly, a new building was not built on the Kent campus until the early 1980s. Thus, Akron has the James A. Rhodes Arena and some of us at Kent would prefer to p*ss on the plaque.
A similar dynamic existed in Northwest Ohio. The Medical College of Ohio is separate from Toledo and Bowling Green for similar reasons.
MCO was originally supposed to be built on the UT campus as part of UT if memory serves correctly, but that obviously didn't happen.
Boca Rocket Wrote:The Zips.They are doing a very good and aggressive job of recruiting.
Akron is doing a great job of upgrading their facilities.The University of Akron is located in one of the alltime great football regions of the country.
1920 Akron Pros
8-0-3 (undefeated)
1'st NFL Champion
1894 Coach John Heisman
led Buchtel (Akron) to a 12-6 victory over Ohio State.
Canton, home of the "Bulldogs" and the Pro Football Hall of Fame
Massilon, home the "Tigers" and legendary coach Paul Brown
The legend himself "Jim Thorpe" played on several area teams!
More recently, anyone remember Super bowl MVP Dwight Smith? how about Jason Taylor
the MAC!
better ingredients
better football
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rocketfootball Wrote:Schadenfreude Wrote:The Flash Wrote:The funding issue is another reason why KSU hates Akron. Akron was a glorified community college at the time. After May 4, 1970, the esteemed James Rhodes cut off all funding to KSU. Dix Stadium is where it is because plans were that a medical school and law school would be built at Kent and the campus would stretch that far. The med school is now a consortium of KSU, YSU and UA while Akron got the law school.
Rhodes took it out on Kent and Akron got Kent's funds. If I recall correctly, a new building was not built on the Kent campus until the early 1980s. Thus, Akron has the James A. Rhodes Arena and some of us at Kent would prefer to p*ss on the plaque.
A similar dynamic existed in Northwest Ohio. The Medical College of Ohio is separate from Toledo and Bowling Green for similar reasons.
MCO was originally supposed to be built on the UT campus as part of UT if memory serves correctly, but that obviously didn't happen.
It was originally proposed that way, but couldn't get the approval and funding from the state. It took a number of years of intense lobbying from UT's president and one of the elder Block's higher ups to get a deal done which resulted in the Medical College of Ohio system. What started as a proposal for the municipal university in Toledo to get it's own medical school ended up creating a system of colleges across the state. Interesting to note that today, the Medical UNIVERSITY of Ohio at Toledo is inching closer and closer to integrating as much as possible with UT (and, I think, BG).
west:
already contenders: niu, toledo
emu wil meander in the middle for the forseeable future - which is enough to statisfy most admin and fans since it's been so long since we could even dream of being in the middle. ball state is a midies for a while yet. cmu has a championship coach and it's just a matter of time before he builds cmu back to what it was when it was a contender. there's a big difference between hiring a proven coach (even at a lower level) and hiring an assistant at even a "major" program. wmu has everything going for it - but momentum. i agree, they should never have fallen apart - so maybe the problems are deeper thana coaching change. of course, if wku joins the west - i expect them to contend before any of the michigan schools do.
east:
already contenders: miami-ohio, bugs
i believe ohio is going to rise just enough for solich to find a better job elsewhere - then it'll be back to the ashes. temple will be a mid-range club with less following than they had when they were a bcs non-contender. kent state doesn't appear to be making the move. buffalo will get better, but i don;t see signs of an imenent rise to the top just yet. therefor, akron is the odds on favorite to contend - not only in the east, but perhaps for the whole conference. they have solidified themselves in the middle - and that should help them recruit the next level of atheletes - taking them into contention.
I do look for us to pick it up over the next few years based on Brookhart's efforts in recruiting.
And to demonstate my ability not to be a complete homer, I think the Bobcats, like us, have the potential in the East to turn things around quickly with Solich(yes Thomas Tipoff, could they be any worse???).
But, as with Akron, we'll see how this all unfolds this Fall and the Falls to come. In my view, success is a marathon not a sprint--and until we dominate over a number of programs consistently, I'll continue to be eternally hopeful yet somewhat skeptical.
GO ZIPS! GO MAC!
ziplock Wrote:And I did forget to mention---we now have Bob Taft--- the "education" governor. He, his legislature and judiciary spell doom for public education in Ohio. :mad:
On that we can agree!
ziplock Wrote:The Flash Wrote:The funding issue is another reason why KSU hates Akron. Akron was a glorified community college at the time. After May 4, 1970, the esteemed James Rhodes cut off all funding to KSU. Dix Stadium is where it is because plans were that a medical school and law school would be built at Kent and the campus would stretch that far. The med school is now a consortium of KSU, YSU and UA while Akron got the law school.
Rhodes took it out on Kent and Akron got Kent's funds. If I recall correctly, a new building was not built on the Kent campus until the early 1980s. Thus, Akron has the James A. Rhodes Arena and some of us at Kent would prefer to p*ss on the plaque.
The University of Akron School of Law was established in 1921, I believe a bit before Rhodes' tenure. Where can you substantiate that Kent was to have a School of Law?
Didn't know that the law school was at UA before. My bad. My best recollection of where the med school & law school thing came from was some master plan from the 1960s that was discussed when I was a student at Kent in the late 1980's early 1990's. The rumor was that pre May4, Kent was to become the NEOhio rival to tOAMu?
Be that as it may, much of Akron's expansion was at the expense of Kent for the better part of a decade thanks to JAR.
The Flash Wrote:ziplock Wrote:And I did forget to mention---we now have Bob Taft--- the "education" governor. He, his legislature and judiciary spell doom for public education in Ohio. :mad:
On that we can agree!
Yes Indeed!! Gov Shaft has done "quite" a job.
To further clarify, Dix stadium was built well before the events of 5/70. So any decisions of Rhodes to cut a med or law complex had no effect on where Dix was built. Dix was open for the 1969 football season: the beginning of the glory years at KSU, the Don James era.
axeme Wrote:To further clarify, Dix stadium was built well before the events of 5/70. So any decisions of Rhodes to cut a med or law complex had no effect on where Dix was built. Dix was open for the 1969 football season: the beginning of the glory years at KSU, the Don James era.
Ax,
My understanding was that the stadium was built at the edge of what the campus was to become. Otherwise why not build it where the Small Group dorms and the new track are now? Those were not there in the 1960s?
I see what you are saying. They didn't put Dix where the other stuff was supposed to go. OK, good point. Small Group was there about that time also. Track was later. The horrible parking lot was always.
Kent has had problemes with Columbus from the start. In the very early years, the Ohio leglislator was dominated by down state representatives who did not want to fund a potential competator with OSU and OU. OSU started a "credit war" where they would not allow any Kent credits to count for transfer or graduate students from Kent.
I think Temple will rise to the top of the MAC because they will get some winning momentum right away.
They never had a chance in the Big East when they had to face stiff competition week after week.
It is just too hard for the players to step on the field when they don't believe they have a chance.
But in the MAC it will be easier to build on a win or bounce back from a defeat because their players will believe they are always still in the game instead of gettting it into their heads that this is another "just like last week's drubbing" scenario.
Temple looked like a good team against UT last season but they wore down in the second half because of that loser's mentality that had been beaten into them. And then the following week they were completely down for BGSU.
Nothing ever changes around here.
Ohio politics derails another perfectly good thread.
bsudn79_80 Wrote:HuskieDan Wrote:Quote:you got that right! I can remember HORRIBLE crowds, HORRIBLE records and a HORRIBLE FB reputation throughout the country for NIU. I am amazed that Novak was granted the time and support to guess what?- COACH! I also remember Bill Lynch commenting on NIU when they had "THE STREAK" that they (NIU)were doing things right. I thought to myself- is he F-ing crazy??? turns out out NO. He actually knew what he was talking about. NIU is about as encouraging a story as you'll find in D1A football today and I am PROUD they are a member of the MAC.
HOLY CRAP!!!?!?! A Ball State fan saying that Bill Lynch knew what he was talking about! :eek:
Uh. There's a big difference between recognizing the skill and competency of others and actually having skill and competency. :rolleyes:
I watch Peyton Manning on Sunday afternoons and admire his preparation, work ethic and the on-field success. But I know with my limited mental and physical capacities, I'll never suit up for a Pro Bowl.
Lynch took over a program two years removed from its last MAC championship (1993) and reeled off the following results: 7-4, 8-4 (MAC champs), 5-6, 1-10, 0-11, 5-6, 5-6, and 6-6. Novak took over a team coming off its fifth straight losing season and went 1-10, 0-11, 2-9, 5-6, 6-5, 6-5, 8-4, and 10-2 in his first eight years at the helm. Two coaches with two teams headed in opposite directions.
Bill Lynch is a knowledgeable guy and has a bright football mind. But he wasn't a very good head football coach at Ball State.
Lessee...
NIU
1-10, 0-11, 2-9, 5-6, 6-5, 6-5
BSU
1-10, 0-11, 5-6, 5-6, 6-6
I don't see a similarity, do you?
BTW - what did Paul Schudel do to not have the BSU job after that 5-5-1 season?
How much of a difference would it have made if Dix was on campus? It has been years but I remember going down a semi country road you pass the baseball field and Dix rises out of a rocky parking lot...about 10-15 out of town...it is a nice campus and I think Kent's historical luck would change if this did not happen to them...IMHO
I look for UCF to greatly improve on the number of MAC losses they incurred during the upcoming season. :D
IKE Wrote:How much of a difference would it have made if Dix was on campus? It has been years but I remember going down a semi country road you pass the baseball field and Dix rises out of a rocky parking lot...about 10-15 out of town...it is a nice campus and I think Kent's historical luck would change if this did not happen to them...IMHO
The original stadium was on Campus where the parking lot for the Student Center and the MACC is today. Why the stadium ended up where it did, when it did, is one of the great mysteries to me. I suppose it was a victim of the urban renewal fad thinking that was so popular during the time. For having a big time architecture/urban design program the KSU campus sure has some obvious failures in planning. Nonetheless, the stadium area now is the home of some great facilities, so in the end I guess it worked out. Too bad it took 35 years and the Campus is still a few miles away.
"BTW - what did Paul Schudel do to not have the BSU job after that 5-5-1 season? "
He quit. He tried for 10 years, while winning championships with integrity, to influence BSU's athletically-deaf administration to upgrade the football program - most prominently, the football stadium. Respectfully, he tried very hard, but gave up, quit, and moved on. BSU's program rose to MAC championship stature one more time in '96 (with Schudel's team, coached by Lynch), then nose-dived, fulfilling Schudel's prophecy that the program was doomed.
BTW, I'm not Schudel, nor are a relative, but did play football for him for 5 years. I know the man - he was a great coach. BSU blew it - had no idea what they had. Fortunately, the new folks (new administration - AD, President, and others) are focused (have refocused the U), showing more respect and giving more credit to the football program. We have a new coach who is gritty and determined. The question, though, is has the damage been done? Don't think so, but we have a huge mountain to climb - both in regard to perceptions and our play.