There are so many articles now on the turbulence in the Bowl situation that I can't remember where I read this. But, according to at least one report, the Big Ten is asking the Bowls with which it has contracts to increase their payouts by 40-60 percent. Those Bowls that don't do this, e.g. the Sun Bowl, might be dropped while a replacement might be added.
Now, I wonder how this might impact the Motor City Bowl. A 50% increase would raise the MCB payouts to approximately $1.20 million. I suppose the MCB could say, OK, but you give us the 6th place Big Ten finisher each year.
With the established success of the MCB, a 6th place Big Ten participant would probably increase the attendance to an even higher level. If Michigan St. played, they probably would sell the place out.
Anyway, we probably should know something soon. The Big Ten just concluded its Spring meetings last week and Bowl agreements were a major part of their discussions.
The MAC could sure use some good news concerning its Bowl contracts. I hope it's forthcoming.
I've also heard that the big player who could start a Bowl Game domino effect is the Big 12 and they're meeting right now.
I read where 4 of the Big Ten's 7 bowls (counts the BCS automatic bid) play around $750K. This of course includes the MCB. If the MCB can move their payout up to like $1.2 million then I can definitely see us moving up the ladder to at least a #5 spot. Of course it depends on what the others payout too, but what if the MCB payouts out at least $200K more than a couple of other bowls and moves the game back a couple of days? I could definitely see a MAC Champion/Big Ten #4 or #5 matchup. That would be awesome!
Why does the Big Ten think they're worth 40% more than the other BCS conferences? Seriously. Why should the Sun Bowl (your example) kowtow to that crap when they could have a Pac-10/Big XII matchup instead? Heck, even CUSA (with the UTEP tie) could be better for the Sun Bowl organizers than ponying up bakshish to the Big Ten.
I don't understand why the MCB doesn't try to go after a Big East tie in.....afterall UConn, Louisville, and Cincinnati have played in 4 out of the 8 MCB's
A Big East #3 sounds a lot better than a Big Ten #7. You'll probably get an 8 win Big East team.
DevilGrad Wrote:Why does the Big Ten think they're worth 40% more than the other BCS conferences? Seriously. Why should the Sun Bowl (your example) kowtow to that crap when they could have a Pac-10/Big XII matchup instead? Heck, even CUSA (with the UTEP tie) could be better for the Sun Bowl organizers than ponying up bakshish to the Big Ten.
Thanks for typing this in. Saves me a bunch of time. Maybe this will break apart of the ridiculous conference tie-ins that emerged over the past decade.
MCB is maneuvering to get the Big Ten's #5 team, surpassing the Music City and Sun Bowls.
I'd love to see the MAC have a tie-in someday with the Music City Bowl. Would this be a possibility with WKU and MTSU in the conference?
DevilGrad Wrote:Why does the Big Ten think they're worth 40% more than the other BCS conferences? Seriously. Why should the Sun Bowl (your example) kowtow to that crap when they could have a Pac-10/Big XII matchup instead? Heck, even CUSA (with the UTEP tie) could be better for the Sun Bowl organizers than ponying up bakshish to the Big Ten.
Because they'll get a bigger crowd with the Big Ten involved.....national appeal talks everything else walks.
Kit-Cat Wrote:I don't understand why the MCB doesn't try to go after a Big East tie in.....afterall UConn, Louisville, and Cincinnati have played in 4 out of the 8 MCB's
A Big East #3 sounds a lot better than a Big Ten #7. You'll probably get an 8 win Big East team.
I'd rather lock in a Big Ten team in Detroit and try to work something else out elsewhere with the Big East.
BeatWestern Wrote:MCB is maneuvering to get the Big Ten's #5 team, surpassing the Music City and Sun Bowls.
I'd love to see the MAC have a tie-in someday with the Music City Bowl. Would this be a possibility with WKU and MTSU in the conference?
The Big Ten is also looking at the Gator and Champs Sports Bowl.
They already have as many tie-ins as what they can handle, so the Big Ten might even drop the MCB.
Schadenfreude Wrote:Kit-Cat Wrote:I don't understand why the MCB doesn't try to go after a Big East tie in.....afterall UConn, Louisville, and Cincinnati have played in 4 out of the 8 MCB's
A Big East #3 sounds a lot better than a Big Ten #7. You'll probably get an 8 win Big East team.
I'd rather lock in a Big Ten team in Detroit and try to work something else out elsewhere with the Big East.
Something in the Meadowlands?
Boca Rocket Wrote:Schadenfreude Wrote:Kit-Cat Wrote:I don't understand why the MCB doesn't try to go after a Big East tie in.....afterall UConn, Louisville, and Cincinnati have played in 4 out of the 8 MCB's
A Big East #3 sounds a lot better than a Big Ten #7. You'll probably get an 8 win Big East team.
I'd rather lock in a Big Ten team in Detroit and try to work something else out elsewhere with the Big East.
Something in the Meadowlands?
Toronto seems to make more sense, with the dome and all.
There are any number of bowls out there and massive shuffling could be on the way.
It will be an interesting ride, that's for sure.
I wouldn't count the Motor City out. They want the Big Ten bad. If money is the issue, they'll find a way.
Kit-Cat Wrote:BeatWestern Wrote:MCB is maneuvering to get the Big Ten's #5 team, surpassing the Music City and Sun Bowls.
I'd love to see the MAC have a tie-in someday with the Music City Bowl. Would this be a possibility with WKU and MTSU in the conference?
The Big Ten is also looking at the Gator and Champs Sports Bowl.
They already have as many tie-ins as what they can handle, so the Big Ten might even drop the MCB.
That's not likely. They are more interested in dropping a couple of other bowl games that pay about the same as the MCB right now than dropping the MCB. For whatever reason it is, the Big Ten really wants to keep the MCB and wants to keep the MAC happy.
Rocketfootball is trackin'.
rocketfootball Wrote:Kit-Cat Wrote:They already have as many tie-ins as what they can handle, so the Big Ten might even drop the MCB.
That's not likely. They are more interested in dropping a couple of other bowl games that pay about the same as the MCB right now than dropping the MCB. For whatever reason it is, the Big Ten really wants to keep the MCB and wants to keep the MAC happy.
Reasons:
Look at the Michigan economy...a bowl game is a good idea, especially the only successful one in the rust belt. Might as well try to keep those midwest dollars at home, and bring in a few tourist dollars to boot.
Keep the MAC happy? How about keep the MAC
docile. If you get the MAC to the point where they have nothing to lose...they might try something
clever,
innovative, or
aggressive, and surpass the Big 10 at something. Heck, there are enough MAC teams they might even appeal to some legislature on the inequity between the MAC and Big 10.
I'm pleased w/ the MCB and think the involvement w/ the Big 10 is good for everyone...but I don't doubt the Big 10 is looking out exclusively for itself; with a vision that the MAC should look to for improvement.
DrTorch Wrote:I'm pleased w/ the MCB and think the involvement w/ the Big 10 is good for everyone...but I don't doubt the Big 10 is looking out exclusively for itself; with a vision that the MAC should look to for improvement.
Never said the Big Ten wants the MAC to improve or anything like that. The Big Ten wants to keep the MAC where it is, but it needs to do that by keeping the MAC happy and making sure the MAC doesn't go ahead of them and doesn't fall. If you guys are reading anything more into me saying the Big Ten wants to keep the MCB and the Big Ten wants to keep the MAC happy then that is your own fault.
rocketfootball Wrote:Kit-Cat Wrote:BeatWestern Wrote:MCB is maneuvering to get the Big Ten's #5 team, surpassing the Music City and Sun Bowls.
I'd love to see the MAC have a tie-in someday with the Music City Bowl. Would this be a possibility with WKU and MTSU in the conference?
The Big Ten is also looking at the Gator and Champs Sports Bowl.
They already have as many tie-ins as what they can handle, so the Big Ten might even drop the MCB.
That's not likely. They are more interested in dropping a couple of other bowl games that pay about the same as the MCB right now than dropping the MCB. For whatever reason it is, the Big Ten really wants to keep the MCB and wants to keep the MAC happy.
You have double secret sources on this?
Schadenfreude Wrote:rocketfootball Wrote:Kit-Cat Wrote:BeatWestern Wrote:MCB is maneuvering to get the Big Ten's #5 team, surpassing the Music City and Sun Bowls.
I'd love to see the MAC have a tie-in someday with the Music City Bowl. Would this be a possibility with WKU and MTSU in the conference?
The Big Ten is also looking at the Gator and Champs Sports Bowl.
They already have as many tie-ins as what they can handle, so the Big Ten might even drop the MCB.
That's not likely. They are more interested in dropping a couple of other bowl games that pay about the same as the MCB right now than dropping the MCB. For whatever reason it is, the Big Ten really wants to keep the MCB and wants to keep the MAC happy.
You have double secret sources on this?
Nope. But you have seen some of the comments come out lately from Big Ten schools, right? Wisconsin's AD mentioned that the MAC is important to them. The Big Ten schedules numerous OOC games with the MAC and schools like OSU and Michigan like to schedule 1 game deals to host MAC schools. The news that the Big Ten and MAC are working together to schedule some OOC games is part of this whole thinking too.
Think about it........The Big Ten needs the MAC to stay where it is at, not drop in stature and not get closer or move ahead of them.
Dr Torch - Response to your post below........whatever. I guess I took your response the wrong way is all. And even to help keep my post count down and to keep your eyes from having to go through a ton of crap I even edited this post to reply. You should feel special that I did this all for you. :D
rocketfootball Wrote:DrTorch Wrote:I'm pleased w/ the MCB and think the involvement w/ the Big 10 is good for everyone...but I don't doubt the Big 10 is looking out exclusively for itself; with a vision that the MAC should look to for improvement.
Never said the Big Ten wants the MAC to improve or anything like that. The Big Ten wants to keep the MAC where it is, but it needs to do that by keeping the MAC happy and making sure the MAC doesn't go ahead of them and doesn't fall. If you guys are reading anything more into me saying the Big Ten wants to keep the MCB and the Big Ten wants to keep the MAC happy then that is your own fault.
I was simply expounding on your comment, not contradicting it. If you'd quit padding your post count w/ responses like this, you'd save folks alot of energy sorting through rubbish.
Kit-Kat, looking up from the bongwater, wrote:
Quote:Because they'll get a bigger crowd with the Big Ten involved.....national appeal talks everything else walks.
Really? The Sun Bowl will get a bigger crowd in
El Paso, Texas with the Big Ten involved than would the Big XII (six teams either in Texas or neighboring states -- most with fanbases as big or larger than the Big Ten), the Mountain West (three teams in the region), or even, C-DOA (with one team locally and three others in-state)?
I'm with DG on this one... any smart Sun Bowl executive will tell Jim Delaney to get bent if he demands more money...
rocketfootball Wrote:Dr Torch - Response to your post below........whatever. I guess I took your response the wrong way is all. And even to help keep my post count down and to keep your eyes from having to go through a ton of crap I even edited this post to reply. You should feel special that I did this all for you. :D
Gracias Rocketfootball. I should have used the word 'quibbling' instead of 'rubbish'. It's getting late in the day and my brain is slower than usual.