A few days ago I posted an article on CUSA adopting ( or at least considering adopting ) instant replay for the up-comming season. Now the Big 12 is also considering it.
Not one person found it noteworthy enough to comment on???
I guess debating the sexual orientation of the dancing spiderman is a more interesting topic??... I'm all for useless chit-chat but WHAT GIVES??
Instant replay will be essential for all D1A conferences...the sooner we get on board the better. As I said say what you will about CUSA -they are WAAY ahead of the MAC on this one.
And a side note to HuronDave- AWESOME post w/ Hoke...Thanks!
Instant replay is a nice idea that simply isn't all that necessary. It'd be nice to have, but paying for it to review 2 calls a game make the true benefit of it questionable.
HuskieDan Wrote:Instant replay is a nice idea that simply isn't all that necessary. It'd be nice to have, but paying for it to review 2 calls a game make the true benefit of it questionable.
I completely disagree as does the NFL, Big Ten, Big 12, CUSA etc...it is the wave of the future.
If done properly-it is a complete no-brainer that will HELP decide pivotal moments and conceivably even the playing field for visiting teams by calling into question the "Homer" calls we in the MAC are accustom to.
Nasty Wrote:HuskieDan Wrote:Instant replay is a nice idea that simply isn't all that necessary. It'd be nice to have, but paying for it to review 2 calls a game make the true benefit of it questionable.
I completely disagree as does the NFL, Big Ten, Big 12, CUSA etc...it is the wave of the future.
If done properly-it is a complete no-brainer that will HELP decide pivotal moments and conceivably even the playing field for visiting teams by calling into question the "Homer" calls we in the MAC are accustom to.
The problem is that judgement penalty calls by officials are not reviewable. The biggest gripe in college football are about penalties, pass interference and so forth. Sure there are some calls that could be reviewed to see whether the player really fumbled the ball, caught the pass, etc. But in general, most of the bad officiating we see in the MAC is something that can not be reviewed anyway.
I wouldn't be against instant replay in the MAC, but I don't know that it will help much at all.
By the way, those "homer" calls don't always go to the home team. Believe me, I remember a game at UT in 2002 (I won't name the opponent) that had terrible officiating against Toledo. Of course they weren't great either way, but were really bad in calls against Toledo.
I don't really care if we do instant replay or not.
If it were up to me, I would say no.
And my program has as much reason as any to want one. Last year, when Bowling Green was in DeKalb, a Huskie fumbled a ball out of bounds several yards short of the goal line, but was given a touchdown anyway. The mistake was plain as day in replays.
Has anyone considered how this will be implemented fairly? Chances are that it will be dependent on TV cameras. Seems to me that schools like Ohio St., Michigan, Florida, etc. will have a bit of an edge over Kent regarding the technology.
Oddball Wrote:Has anyone considered how this will be implemented fairly? Chances are that it will be dependent on TV cameras. Seems to me that schools like Ohio St., Michigan, Florida, etc. will have a bit of an edge over Kent regarding the technology.
Kent has football?
Shrakkrocket Wrote:Oddball Wrote:Has anyone considered how this will be implemented fairly? Chances are that it will be dependent on TV cameras. Seems to me that schools like Ohio St., Michigan, Florida, etc. will have a bit of an edge over Kent regarding the technology.
Kent has football?
I'll be surprised if they don't have pretty decent football this year. Then again, if a football game is played and there aren't any cameras, did it make a sound?
Why hijack Shak?? Stay on point ...or not?
Look -we can either get with it or get left behind.
Interceptions, fumbles, out of bounds etc. All of these calls or at least the one's appealed, can be decided conclusively...Why the PHUCK would'nt you implement it?
It is just another tool that SHOULD be used. And as for cost/technology and so forth - well I guess it comes down to being a "Player" or not. Is the MAC a "Player" ( I definateley think so) or not. Hows the old saying go "if you have to ask how much...maybe you should'nt you should'nt ask at all.
:rolleyes: With the CSTV deal, almost every C-USA game is going to have cameras already there for television. In the MAC, we will have several games that won't have television at schools like Kent, EMU, etc. Unless we want to use the couple of camera angles that are provided by the teams that are taping the games for their review of the game and so forth, the MAC would have to dish out extra money to have cameras at every game that are gonna capture every angle needed for instant replay to be a success. That can get costly.
rocketfootball Wrote:In the MAC, we will have several games that won't have television at schools like Kent, EMU, etc. Unless we want to use the couple of camera angles that are provided by the teams that are taping the games for their review of the game and so forth, the MAC would have to dish out extra money to have cameras at every game that are gonna capture every angle needed for instant replay to be a success. That can get costly.
Exactly...$ rules. If we want to stay in the high priced neighborhood we have to pay. This goes back to an earlier post I made about each institution stepping up and finding the right people, with the right know-how to make things like this happen.There's no doubt $ is an issue for ALL MAC schools-but that is JUST way it is and in regard to that ,in general, we need to "SH!t or get off the pot".
I believe we should view the MAC as a slumbering giant that has JUST awoke. We can either stretch, yawn and go back to sleep or get up and start to work kicking butt.
this issue is simply another point along with facilities, revenue, attendance, and marketing that we need to address aggressively.
Nasty Wrote:Interceptions, fumbles, out of bounds etc. All of these calls or at least the one's appealed, can be decided conclusively...Why the PHUCK would'nt you implement it?
This ain't the NFL.
College football doesn't have cameras at every game and never will. I'm uncomfortable with fostering the idea that cameras ought to be at every game.
This is the scenario I fear: Indiana travels to Central Michigan. No TV coverage. Refs blow a big call, it isn't on tape -- and suddenly everyone in the Midwest is hooting about how the MAC is bush league because it doesn't have cameras at every game.
I like college football because it isn't the NFL. I see no need to emulate them in any way.
Schadenfreude Wrote:Nasty Wrote:Interceptions, fumbles, out of bounds etc. All of these calls or at least the one's appealed, can be decided conclusively...Why the PHUCK would'nt you implement it?
This ain't the NFL.
College football doesn't have cameras at every game and never will. I'm uncomfortable with fostering the idea that cameras ought to be at every game.
This is the scenario I fear: Indiana travels to Central Michigan. No TV coverage. Refs blow a big call, it isn't on tape -- and suddenly everyone in the Midwest is hooting about how the MAC is bush league because it doesn't have cameras at every game.
I like college football because it isn't the NFL. I see no need to emulate them in any way.
it may help the lower MAC schools. If they have all the cameras in there, that could be a chance for them to feed it to a local station. I believe in the other conferences that there isn't actually different cameras used specifically for this if the game is already on TV, they just the TV feed. I say why not give it a shot, granted most of the blown calls were on penalties and other non reviewable issues.
Schadenfreude Wrote:This ain't the NFL.
College football doesn't have cameras at every game and never will. I'm uncomfortable with fostering the idea that cameras ought to be at every game.
I like college football because it isn't the NFL. I see no need to emulate them in any way.
First off- NO sh!t... I never said it was and you've COMPLETLEY missed the point...
Second -YES there will be cameras IMO at every D1A college football game in the future and Im not sure why you would waste time "being uncomfortable fostering" that idea...
and last- for -IMO worse- college atheletics at the highest level ARE becomming more and more based on the pro-sports business model-period... so as hard as that may be to digest for the purists it is factual.
Back to the main point. Re-Play is here...IMO we should embrace the idea, give it a shot and see what happens..
Nasty Wrote:Schadenfreude Wrote:This ain't the NFL.
College football doesn't have cameras at every game and never will. I'm uncomfortable with fostering the idea that cameras ought to be at every game.
I like college football because it isn't the NFL. I see no need to emulate them in any way.
First off- NO sh!t... I never said it was and you've COMPLETLEY missed the point...
You asked for opinions. The least you could do is be polite.
Quote:Second -YES there will be cameras IMO at every D1A college football game in the future
I don't agree.
Kansas had two games on television last year.
Schadenfreude Wrote:Nasty Wrote:Schadenfreude Wrote:This ain't the NFL.
College football doesn't have cameras at every game and never will. I'm uncomfortable with fostering the idea that cameras ought to be at every game.
I like college football because it isn't the NFL. I see no need to emulate them in any way.
First off- NO sh!t... I never said it was and you've COMPLETLEY missed the point...
You asked for opinions. The least you could do is be polite.
Quote:Second -YES there will be cameras IMO at every D1A college football game in the future
I don't agree.
Kansas had two games on television last year.
I WAS being polite- if not I would have most definatley referenced you using a derogatory such as -say - "sperm gurgler!"... (Classic sophomorhic humor Odddangle )
I respectfully dissagree with your opinion ...cameras/technology are evolving SO fast that systems will be in place that don't require TV broadcasts to accomplish the re-play requirements
Nasty - What school do you hail from?
I don't believe instant replay is possible in the MAC at this time.
When the league has more money to install multiple cameras at every stadium..... and then hook them up to a box where an extra referee will monitor them......it will happen.
Until the league gets more money it just won't happen.
Nasty Wrote:rocketfootball Wrote:In the MAC, we will have several games that won't have television at schools like Kent, EMU, etc. Unless we want to use the couple of camera angles that are provided by the teams that are taping the games for their review of the game and so forth, the MAC would have to dish out extra money to have cameras at every game that are gonna capture every angle needed for instant replay to be a success. That can get costly.
Exactly...$ rules. If we want to stay in the high priced neighborhood we have to pay. This goes back to an earlier post I made about each institution stepping up and finding the right people, with the right know-how to make things like this happen.There's no doubt $ is an issue for ALL MAC schools-but that is JUST way it is and in regard to that ,in general, we need to "SH!t or get off the pot".
I believe we should view the MAC as a slumbering giant that has JUST awoke. We can either stretch, yawn and go back to sleep or get up and start to work kicking butt.
this issue is simply another point along with facilities, revenue, attendance, and marketing that we need to address aggressively.
I believe that there are other things that the MAC schools should be investing in rather than investing in instant replay.
How about spending the money on paying our coaches more so they don't jump ship so fast and so that we can bring in bigger named coaches (like OU has done). How about improving our athletic budgets, which are small compared to most I-A schools (C-USA are even quite a bit higher). How about spending the money on improving our facilities. How about spending the money on marketing our teams better.
If you want to make things happen at the MAC schools, then do it those ways instead of wasting the money on instant replay.
I've got mixed feelings about instant replay at ALL levels. The caveat "CONCLUSIVE" prevents the use of judgement to overturn a call, for instance. It takes a lot of time during the game. It costs a lot of money to operate. As Rocketfootball pointed out, the things that REALLY get most of us cranked up are the penalty calls, which aren't reviewable.
While I have seen replay work in the NFL on occassion, and likewise the Big Televen last year, I am not convinced it is what we'd like it to be, and therefore more of a drain than a boon.
Quote:and last- for -IMO worse- college atheletics at the highest level ARE becomming more and more based on the pro-sports business model-period... so as hard as that may be to digest for the purists it is factual.
Not a good reason to throw up our hands and give in, imo. Reality CAN be changed.
Schadenfreude Wrote:Last year, when Bowling Green was in DeKalb, a Huskie fumbled a ball out of bounds several yards short of the goal line, but was given a touchdown anyway. The mistake was plain as day in replays.
That was awesome!!
