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With the new BCS Bowl plan coming soon, one as I understand it which will select a "non automatic qualifying conference team" to play in a BCS Bowl game each year, what are the chances of a MAC team being selected? I'm looking ahead for the next 2-3 seasons.

I think they are very high. In fact, I think we will see a MAC team playing in a BCS Bowl game soon. I'm looking ahead for the next 2-3 seasons, and granted this is very speculative.

Here's the competition. The MAC will compete with the Mountain West, the Sun Belt, C-USA, and the WAC for playing in a BCS Bowl.

Mountain West--last year, there was only one really strong team, Utah, who of course played in a BCS Bowl. How does the near future look? I don't see it being very good for a MWC repeat. Apart from Utah, I think the rest of the teams have a long way to go. And Utah has lost a lot, both in terms of coaching staff and players.

Sun Belt--I really don't see a Sun Belt team being selected soon. The most likely candidate is probably Troy St.

C-USA--They will probably will have some good teams that might even be ranked in the Top 25, but I don't see any teams that might be strong enough to get a BCS Bowl bid. Who would it be? Southern Mississippi, Memphis, UTEP? Some of these teams probably have an out of conference schedule where success would qualify them. But I just don't see who might be a top flight team.

WAC--I'm predicting that the WAC and the MAC will have the best shot. Interestingly, one reason for this is that having an undefeated conference schedule is easier in both the WAC and the MAC. So, the key will be doing well in out of conference games. The two teams that stand out as earning a BCS Bowl berth are Fresno St. and Boise St. Their chances look pretty good.

MAC--What helps the MAC in competing for a BCS Bowl game is that there are probably at least 4 good teams for the near future--Miami, BG, Northern Illinois, and Toledo. And it helps that having an undefeated conference record is certainly possible, probably even likely for one of these teams. The odds are pretty good that at least one of these teams will have an outstanding year.

Does having a MACC game help? I can see pros and cons here but overall I think it could help. Among the competing conferences, I believe only C-USA will have a championship game.

What about this coming season, even though the new BCS plan will not yet be in effect? In the WAC, it's going to be tough. Fresno St. plays at USC and Boise St. opens up at Georgia.

As for MAC teams, I believe BG has the best shot. This is chiefly because I think their out of conference schedule is more manageable than the others, and opening up by defeating Wisconsin in an away game could earn them a Top 25 ranking right away. If Toledo could knock off Fresno St. in an away game, then I think they have the next best shot. Playing a 1AA team, however, won't help in earning an early ranking. I wouldn't overlook Miami, however. I believe they have a chance to defeat Ohio St. If both BG and Miami were to go undefeated before meeting each other late in the season, this could be the biggest MAC game ever on the national scene.

So I believe that the chances are very good for seeing a MAC team playing in a BCS Bowl game in the next few years. That would continue to elevate the status of the MAC in the national football world..
Good Luck
U have to look at it over the next 3 or 4 years... Boise st has and will be good ... prob have the easiest road. If any mac team has a big year... they have a real shot.. 1/2 the conference is weak.. so only have to get up for 2 to 4 games..Mwc... who knows.... CUSA will have a # of good teams over the next 3 to 5 years... that makes it that much harder to run the table. If anyone from cusa does get in they are prob going to be a pretty good team... IE louisville last year... and have a real shot at winning a bcs game... Mia of OH was more than good enough to win 2 years ago.
Honestly, the way things are going, if any non bcs school is undefeated and is the only one undefeated, they will most certainly get invited to the bcs party.
Going perfect through the OOC and the MAC is difficult. That means 12-0 or 13-0 after the MACC game. For Toledo, BGSU, and Miami it isn't that hard to climb the rankings. If Akron or EMU were perfect, they would need more because they are not on the national radar. Lots of 3 and 4 loss BCS teams to hurdle before you crack the rankings. Beating a Michigan or Ohio State would do it for NIU and Miami. Those would be landmark wins for the Mac. Taking out one or both of those two might get the MAC leaders a boost in the polls. Winning the OOC games is the key. This means beating the Wisconsins, the Fresno States, and the Purdues.
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goherd17 Wrote::rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
Phil Steele's Power Poll:


#54 Miami,Ohio
#60 Toledo
#65 Bowling Green
#77 Nothern Illinois
#92 Kent State
#96 Temple
#101 Eastern Michigan
#103 Ohio U
#109 Western Michigan
#111 Akron
#113 Central Michigan
#116 Buffalo
#118 Ball State

#99 UCF
#108 Marshall :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
rocketfootball Wrote:
goherd17 Wrote::rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:
Phil Steele's Power Poll:


#54 Miami,Ohio
#60 Toledo
#65 Bowling Green
#77 Nothern Illinois
#92 Kent State
#96 Temple
#101 Eastern Michigan
#103 Ohio U
#109 Western Michigan
#111 Akron
#113 Central Michigan
#116 Buffalo
#118 Ball State

#99 UCF
#108 Marshall :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
rocketfootball Wrote:
goherd17 Wrote::rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:
Phil Steele's Power Poll:


#54 Miami,Ohio
#60 Toledo
#65 Bowling Green
#77 Nothern Illinois
#92 Kent State
#96 Temple
#101 Eastern Michigan
#103 Ohio U
#109 Western Michigan
#111 Akron
#113 Central Michigan
#116 Buffalo
#118 Ball State

#99 UCF
#108 Marshall :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:


Tell ya what....we'll see if a MAC team or Marshall gets to a BCS bowl first. At the rate the Herd is going these days.... 03-wink

Of course the Herd does have an easier sched in Conf DOA now. :wave:
04-drinky Oh what sour grapes we are moving on and you are stuck playing in front of 10,000 fans if you are lucky. We got the MAC on TV and got the conf. on an upward swing if not for Marshall the MAC schools would be where it was 10 years ago which was no where. Never on TV and no bowl tie in. Your right bye bye. but I will tell you one thing the MAC has just about as good of chance of getting a BCS bid as does Conf. USA which is none
goherd17 Wrote:04-drinky Oh what sour grapes we are moving on and you are stuck playing in front of 10,000 fans if you are lucky. We got the MAC on TV and got the conf. on an upward swing if not for Marshall the MAC schools would be where it was 10 years ago which was no where. Never on TV and no bowl tie in. Your right bye bye. but I will tell you one thing the MAC has just about as good of chance of getting a BCS bid as does Conf. USA which is none
blah, blah, blah, blah..........we paid props and helped them with test answers and that is why we didn't win the MAC the last couple of years, but we will be off probation soon and can pay props and help them with test answers again (we won't get caught this time) so we can be back on top in C-USA.......blah, blah, blah, blah.
I never did understand how some sorry, no account excuse for a university in Huntington, West Virginia was single-handedly responsible for the proliferation of weeknight college football games on cable and the 33% increase between 1997 and 2004 in the number of bowl slots available across all of college football, but perhaps I'm being insufficiently imaginative.

Quoth the bard:

Revise the motto:
"At Marshall, we quit after
Six and six seasons."

<a href='http://www.goodbyeherd.com' target='_blank'>http://www.goodbyeherd.com</a>
goherd17 Wrote:04-drinky Oh what sour grapes we are moving on and you are stuck playing in front of 10,000 fans if you are lucky.&nbsp; We got the MAC on TV and got the conf. on an upward swing if not for Marshall the MAC schools would be where it was 10 years ago which was no where.&nbsp; Never on TV and no bowl tie in.&nbsp; Your right bye bye.&nbsp; but I will tell you one thing the MAC has just about as good of chance of getting a BCS bid as does Conf. USA which is none
56-35, baby....and it should have been 63-35. You're lucky Brandon took pity on the Herd and had Jacobs kneel the ball at the 2 yrd line. 03-lol
Oh, what a sight that was. I think I'll pop that game tape in tonight and watch it.
Marshall was lucky to be the SIXTH best team in the MAC last season...if that.

Yep. Marshall got the MAC on TV. :rolleyes: You guys also had College Gameday in Huntington, right? 03-lol 03-wink
goherd17 Wrote:04-drinky Oh what sour grapes we are moving on and you are stuck playing in front of 10,000 fans if you are lucky.&nbsp; We got the MAC on TV and got the conf. on an upward swing if not for Marshall the MAC schools would be where it was 10 years ago which was no where.&nbsp; Never on TV and no bowl tie in.&nbsp; Your right bye bye.&nbsp; but I will tell you one thing the MAC has just about as good of chance of getting a BCS bid as does Conf. USA which is none

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I really would like to see the HERD play the top MAC teams again.

The MAC was really coming around in being a really tough league.
It is amazing how certain teams really stepped it up.

All smack aside, had Marshall remained in the MAC, they would have been back in the top and would have added strength to the league.

D@mn it would have been nice to see BGSU and Akron come to Huntington. There would have been some major crowds and probably on national tv too.

Usually, what makes a rivalry interesting or a conference race interesting is when your rival and conference mates start beating you too. It makes everyone looking forward to playing that team again next year.

Good luck in 2005 and beyond.

Maybe in the future, we will see each other on the football field.
It will never happen. There are too many directional schools in the conference.
Thanks for the classy post. With posters like you, I have no probleme saying good luck Herd.
The WAC is in the best position to place a team in a BCS bowl right now because......

1.The conference doesn't play a championship game, which hurts if you lose.

2.Boise and Fresno are heads and shoulders above the remainder WAC schools. The winner of Boise/Fresno goes undefeated in conference play barring a big upset. Boise has won 26 consecutive games in WAC play which is amazing.


I would rate the MAC and CUSA ability to place a team in a BCS bowl as about even with both leagues having 4-5 strong teams with mostly bottom feeders. The MWC is a difficult league to win because every school in that conference would be in the upper half of the MAC or CUSA. The SBC doesn't have anyone capable of running the table and I doubt you will see a team out of there make it for a while.
DJdaHERDfan73 Wrote:All smack aside, had Marshall remained in the MAC, they would have been back in the top and would have added strength to the league.
You are saying that if Marshall didn't decide to make a move to CUSA in 2003 that they would have won the MAC in 2004, and poised for another championship in 2005?

I watched the Marshall-OHIO game last year in person, and the only difference between the two squads was Jonathan Goddard making a few big plays including an interception. As complete units OHIO looked better on offense and defense than Marshall. Judging from other scores, OHIO was a clear step behind the top schools in the MAC in 2004, and Marshall aside from the Miami victory early in MAC play wasn't much better. Marshall did play well against OSU and Georgia, but so did OHIO against Big East champ Pitt with a victory at Kentucky.

This is a complete rebuilding year for Marshall in 2005 on defense plus a new QB. They would be picked ahead of Buffalo in the MAC East this year but not much else.
Kit-Cat Wrote:
DJdaHERDfan73 Wrote:All smack aside, had Marshall remained in the MAC, they would have been back in the top and would have added strength to the league.
You are saying that if Marshall didn't decide to make a move to CUSA in 2003 that they would have won the MAC in 2004, and poised for another championship in 2005?
I didn't hear him say that.

I heard him say "would have added strength to the league."

No question there.

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Schadenfreude Wrote:
Kit-Cat Wrote:
DJdaHERDfan73 Wrote:All smack aside, had Marshall remained in the MAC, they would have been back in the top and would have added strength to the league.
You are saying that if Marshall didn't decide to make a move to CUSA in 2003 that they would have won the MAC in 2004, and poised for another championship in 2005?
I didn't hear him say that.

I heard him say "would have added strength to the league."

No question there.
I believe that there is indeed a question there. They have been getting progressively worse since the sanctions started to hit, and they've lost Pruett. Look at how little respect they are getting in some preseason publications. Unless they can start doing some serious "everyone does it" rebuilding, their days as a top mid-major team are over.
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