rocketfootball Wrote:The Knight Time Wrote:rocketfootball Wrote:The Knight Time Wrote:I GUARANTEE the Spurs win next game.
That isn't like your guarantee that UCF would be MAC Champs in 2002, is it? I still remembering you adding that below your screen name and boasting about how UCF was going to beatdown the MAC. :rofl:
Living 3 years ago still.
So pathetic.
I figured you would like your 7-5 record 3 years ago better than your latest 0-11 record. If you want to live in today, I will be happy to bring up UCF's current 15 game losing streak. :wave:
I really don't care.
Don't you have something better to come with? If I thought we'd be going 0-11 or 2-9 for the next 3 seasons I'd be concerned. We won't.
Get over it.
The Knight Time Wrote:rocketfootball Wrote:The Knight Time Wrote:rocketfootball Wrote:The Knight Time Wrote:I GUARANTEE the Spurs win next game.
That isn't like your guarantee that UCF would be MAC Champs in 2002, is it? I still remembering you adding that below your screen name and boasting about how UCF was going to beatdown the MAC. :rofl:
Living 3 years ago still.
So pathetic.
I figured you would like your 7-5 record 3 years ago better than your latest 0-11 record. If you want to live in today, I will be happy to bring up UCF's current 15 game losing streak. :wave:
I really don't care.
Don't you have something better to come with? If I thought we'd be going 0-11 or 2-9 for the next 3 seasons I'd be concerned. We won't.
Get over it.
Very true. You have SMU, Rice, ECU, and Marshall to beat up on now.
Huskie,
You make a good point. Its ironic that before Van Gundys fine the toughest levied by Stern was to Pat Riley. Not to bring in Kevin Bacon but it only take one step to get to Stan Van Gundy from his bro and Pat, Heat Pres. to suggest the sh#t officiating against Shaqwas rlated to the official outpouring that they were gonna screw Jeff. Jeff wasn't there to get screwed so Stan was available. I do respect that Stan didn't ***** the whole time like Larry Brown.
DevilGrad Wrote:Hamilton's body is past Bowen's, and he has a clean line to get the shot off despite the contact. In those circumstances, NBA referees frequently seem to adopt the soccer concept of waving off the foul and playing the advantage.
Thank you.
A foul only exists if contact has helped you gain an advantage. I don't see Bowen's pinky in Hamilton's jersey as gaining him any advantage he didn't already have.
If the continuation of this picture is Bowen sticking said pinky in Hamilton's eye, then a foul probably should have been called.
connerito Wrote:Huskie,
You make a good point. Its ironic that before Van Gundys fine the toughest levied by Stern was to Pat Riley. Not to bring in Kevin Bacon but it only take one step to get to Stan Van Gundy from his bro and Pat, Heat Pres. to suggest the sh#t officiating against Shaqwas rlated to the official outpouring that they were gonna screw Jeff. Jeff wasn't there to get screwed so Stan was available. I do respect that Stan didn't ***** the whole time like Larry Brown.
Wow. That's a whole new level of conspiracy theory, without taking into consideration Shaq's overweight ******.
rocketfootball Wrote:DevilGrad Wrote:Hamilton's body is past Bowen's, and he has a clean line to get the shot off despite the contact. In those circumstances, NBA referees frequently seem to adopt the soccer concept of waving off the foul and playing the advantage.
Looking at the picture you can see the 3-point line and recognize that Hamilton needs to go toward Bowen to get the shot off. What you also can't see in this picture is whether or not Bowen hits Hamilton's hand after he releases the shot, but it sure looks like that is probable to happen.
Show me the picture of Bowen impeding Hamilton's ability to shoot, and you'll be correct. But this pic ain't it - there is no foul to be called because "you also can't see in this picture is whether or not Bowen hits Hamilton's hand after he releases the shot, but
it sure looks like that is probable to happen."
Now, I'm no referee, but I'm pretty sure "probable" isn't grounds to call a foul. Unless you can quote the rulebook that you have in front of you to prove otherwise.
HuskieDan Wrote:DevilGrad Wrote:Hamilton's body is past Bowen's, and he has a clean line to get the shot off despite the contact. In those circumstances, NBA referees frequently seem to adopt the soccer concept of waving off the foul and playing the advantage.
Thank you.
A foul only exists if contact has helped you gain an advantage. I don't see Bowen's pinky in Hamilton's jersey as gaining him any advantage he didn't already have.
If the continuation of this picture is Bowen sticking said pinky in Hamilton's eye, then a foul probably should have been called.
What is normally called by the refs and what is the rule is not always the same. I would think you would know that. Having a hold of an offensive player's jersey is a foul, regardless of whether or not it appears to impede the offensive player's way to the basket.
rocketfootball Wrote:HuskieDan Wrote:DevilGrad Wrote:Hamilton's body is past Bowen's, and he has a clean line to get the shot off despite the contact. In those circumstances, NBA referees frequently seem to adopt the soccer concept of waving off the foul and playing the advantage.
Thank you.
A foul only exists if contact has helped you gain an advantage. I don't see Bowen's pinky in Hamilton's jersey as gaining him any advantage he didn't already have.
If the continuation of this picture is Bowen sticking said pinky in Hamilton's eye, then a foul probably should have been called.
What is normally called by the refs and what is the rule is not always the same. I would think you would know that. Having a hold of an offensive player's jersey is a foul, regardless of whether or not it appears to impede the offensive player's way to the basket.
And "holding" in football means holding, but in reality it only is a violation when it gives a player an advantage he wouldn't already have.
Christ, if you call everything like you're suggesting, teams would be shooting 60 free throws a night.
I'm not in favor of calling a foul on heavy breathing (although the refs have known to do that occasionally if the player is, for example, Dwayne Wade) or even necessarily a finger in the jersey, if it doesn't impede the other player. What I'm looking to see is, in fact, more consistency from game-to-game, or even within the same game. In the Detroit/Miami series, game one appeared to be no-holds-barred, let-'em play, no-blood-no-foul basketball. Game two was a whistle-fest. While I'd certainly prefer a happy medium to either, playoffs or no playoffs, that kind of radical switch is difficult for teams to adjust to. The frequent result is that the more aggressive defensive team will suddenly get whistled for numerous fouls in the next game, guys get in foul trouble, and the character of the game is different.
As a specific example, in games 1 & 2 for San Antonio / Detroit, Ginobili lowered his shoulder and literally ran over Pistons players -- who had established position -- several times but was not called for the offensive foul. In two such cases, the defensive player received a shoulder to the chest and was driven to the floor, then were further abused by drawing a foul. Last night, Ginobili was called for an offensive foul twice in identical situations. Going into game 3, Manu had to be thinking he could continue to blow into defenders without penalty, and he probably wondered what was going on. He certainly looked surprised. I realize charging is often difficult to officiate and frequently a judgment call, but aren't the refs working the Finals supposed to be the best of the best? Also, Bowen got called for undercutting players at least twice, which is a trick he and the other Spurs players have been getting away with until last night
As another example, Shaq got away with throwing his elbow into players en route to the basket in some of their playoff games but was whistled often for it in others. Do you think the Heat's opponents were the only ones to wonder about that? I have to think Van Gundy and Shaq both were aware of the inconsistency. If the calls were more consistent, Shaq would adjust his play accordingly and opponents would do a lot less complaining (public or private).
I'd like to finish by saying that I thought the officiating was a little better last night, with about 3-4 bad calls in either direction.
HuskieDan Wrote:rocketfootball Wrote:HuskieDan Wrote:DevilGrad Wrote:Hamilton's body is past Bowen's, and he has a clean line to get the shot off despite the contact. In those circumstances, NBA referees frequently seem to adopt the soccer concept of waving off the foul and playing the advantage.
Thank you.
A foul only exists if contact has helped you gain an advantage. I don't see Bowen's pinky in Hamilton's jersey as gaining him any advantage he didn't already have.
If the continuation of this picture is Bowen sticking said pinky in Hamilton's eye, then a foul probably should have been called.
What is normally called by the refs and what is the rule is not always the same. I would think you would know that. Having a hold of an offensive player's jersey is a foul, regardless of whether or not it appears to impede the offensive player's way to the basket.
And "holding" in football means holding, but in reality it only is a violation when it gives a player an advantage he wouldn't already have.
Christ, if you call everything like you're suggesting, teams would be shooting 60 free throws a night.
I'm not suggesting calling everything, and speaking of 60 free throws.....didn't Miami have that many in the one game? :D
Anyway, in my eyes it looks like his way to the basket is being impeded in the picture.
This is another reason why people complain about officiating and it is so inconsistent..........just about everybody iterprets things differently and many foul calls or no calls are based on interpretation by that official.
Rocket,
Miami had about 50 one game ( Pistons kept putting them on the line at the end) but the Pistons had about 40 w/no late fouls by the Heat.
rocketfootball Wrote:Anyway, in my eyes it looks like his way to the basket is being impeded in the picture.
In basketball terms, that is called "defense".
HuskieDan Wrote:rocketfootball Wrote:Anyway, in my eyes it looks like his way to the basket is being impeded in the picture.
In basketball terms, that is called "defense".
Slowing someone down by your hand being stuck in their jersey is defense? :)
rocketfootball Wrote:The Knight Time Wrote:Motown Bronco Wrote:What a difference a change in venue makes...
Tonight I saw the Piston swagger, sharing of the ball, and smart shooting that was missing the first two games.
We've got ourselves a series now. :)
I'll become Rasheed Wallace.
I GUARANTEE the Spurs win next game.
Nice guarantee. :rofl:
Well if I was actually good at it, I'd be in Vegas making money.
How bout dem dam Pistons Knight?
Outstanding performance!
Deee-troit bas-ket-balllllll!!!!!!
If the Pistons sweep their home games, I can't see losing this series.
That was a thing of beauty from beginning to end. Ben was hot. Our bench came through in a big way (Hunter = MVP of the game). Even Darko put on a nice spin move and scored.
I'm tired of all these nail-biter games. When are we gonna see a good blowout by someone?
Somewhere a marketing employee for ABC is kicking a wall.
The series wasn't that "mass" appealing in the first place. And now with 4 blowouts in 4 games, what excitement is there to market? I turned the past 2 games off in the 3rd quarter.
I hope the last 3 games are somewhat close, AKA both teams show up to play instead of one.