There is an agreement that BG and Toledo will play each other every year. As far as I know, there is no other cross divisional agreement like this between MAC teams. I'm guessing that most MAC fans, and especially those of BG and Toledo like this agreement. Does it, however put BG and Toledo at a scheduling disadvantage in comparison to other MAC teams?
What this agreement means is that every year, BG and Toledo, unlike other MAC teams, will have at least one very difficult road game.
The way things are today, there are 4 top tier teams in the MAC--BG, Toledo, Miami, and Northern Illinois. In years where BG plays Toledo at home, they will play Miami on the road. And in years where Toledo plays BG at home, they will play Northern Illinois on the road.
No other MAC teams face this kind of situation. Look at Miami this year. They play BG at home and do not have to play any other top tier team on the road. I think I'm correct on this. Regardless, surely neither Miami or Northern Illinois has to face this type of schedule every year.
Now this could all change if one of the present 4 top tier teams is replaced by someone else. But as it stands now, I think Miami and Northern Illinois enjoy a scheduling advantage nearly every year.
NIU doesn't have any advantage. Please refer to current winless streak vs Rockets.
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Santa Fe Falcon Wrote:There is an agreement that BG and Toledo will play each other every year. As far as I know, there is no other cross divisional agreement like this between MAC teams. I'm guessing that most MAC fans, and especially those of BG and Toledo like this agreement. Does it, however put BG and Toledo at a scheduling disadvantage in comparison to other MAC teams?
What this agreement means is that every year, BG and Toledo, unlike other MAC teams, will have at least one very difficult road game.
The way things are today, there are 4 top tier teams in the MAC--BG, Toledo, Miami, and Northern Illinois. In years where BG plays Toledo at home, they will play Miami on the road. And in years where Toledo plays BG at home, they will play Northern Illinois on the road.
No other MAC teams face this kind of situation. Look at Miami this year. They play BG at home and do not have to play any other top tier team on the road. I think I'm correct on this. Regardless, surely neither Miami or Northern Illinois has to face this type of schedule every year.
Now this could all change if one of the present 4 top tier teams is replaced by someone else. But as it stands now, I think Miami and Northern Illinois enjoy a scheduling advantage nearly every year.
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You assume BG will maintain its "elite" status. Five years ago they were a cupcake. The MAC is cyclical.
Wasn't the UT-BG tie-in done at the request of both schools? It seems somewhat disingenuous to complain that the rivalry might not be maintained and then to complain further because it was. Unless, of course, one is trying to maintain one's growing reputation as "Huntington on the Prairie," where every action is a slight and a simultaneous world-beater/victim complex reigns.
Heck, Miami probably would *like* to have Toledo as a cross-divisional game every year, as the Rockets and RedHawks have more history and a better series than some of the other potential matchups with the MAC West.
HuskieDan Wrote:Santa Fe Falcon Wrote:There is an agreement that BG and Toledo will play each other every year. As far as I know, there is no other cross divisional agreement like this between MAC teams. I'm guessing that most MAC fans, and especially those of BG and Toledo like this agreement. Does it, however put BG and Toledo at a scheduling disadvantage in comparison to other MAC teams?
What this agreement means is that every year, BG and Toledo, unlike other MAC teams, will have at least one very difficult road game.
The way things are today, there are 4 top tier teams in the MAC--BG, Toledo, Miami, and Northern Illinois. In years where BG plays Toledo at home, they will play Miami on the road. And in years where Toledo plays BG at home, they will play Northern Illinois on the road.
No other MAC teams face this kind of situation. Look at Miami this year. They play BG at home and do not have to play any other top tier team on the road. I think I'm correct on this. Regardless, surely neither Miami or Northern Illinois has to face this type of schedule every year.
Now this could all change if one of the present 4 top tier teams is replaced by someone else. But as it stands now, I think Miami and Northern Illinois enjoy a scheduling advantage nearly every year.
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What he says is true.
But, to a person, Toledo and Bowling Green fans wouldn't have it any other way.
Schadenfreude Wrote:HuskieDan Wrote:Santa Fe Falcon Wrote:There is an agreement that BG and Toledo will play each other every year. As far as I know, there is no other cross divisional agreement like this between MAC teams. I'm guessing that most MAC fans, and especially those of BG and Toledo like this agreement. Does it, however put BG and Toledo at a scheduling disadvantage in comparison to other MAC teams?
What this agreement means is that every year, BG and Toledo, unlike other MAC teams, will have at least one very difficult road game.
The way things are today, there are 4 top tier teams in the MAC--BG, Toledo, Miami, and Northern Illinois. In years where BG plays Toledo at home, they will play Miami on the road. And in years where Toledo plays BG at home, they will play Northern Illinois on the road.
No other MAC teams face this kind of situation. Look at Miami this year. They play BG at home and do not have to play any other top tier team on the road. I think I'm correct on this. Regardless, surely neither Miami or Northern Illinois has to face this type of schedule every year.
Now this could all change if one of the present 4 top tier teams is replaced by someone else. But as it stands now, I think Miami and Northern Illinois enjoy a scheduling advantage nearly every year.
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What he says is true.
But, to a person, Toledo and Bowling Green fans wouldn't have it any other way.
What he says is true right now, and only has been for the last 3-4 years. Who's to say that it will continue as such?
Losing the BG/UT game shouldn't hurt if you take care of business. You could still go 7-1 in the MAC and UT beat NIU and BG beat Miami and finish no worse than tied for the division title and go to the MACC Game by virtue of the head to head victory.
I don't think that NIU is at an advantage because Toledo has to play BG. NIU plays Miami this year anyway. Besides, Toledo could lose to BG but beat NIU and go 7-1 and play in the MACC.
I think your argument is moot since the ESPN will require the "top" teams to play each other, regardless of division. So if Toledo wasn't playing BG, they would be playing Miami or the like. Besides, what are the chances BOTH BG and Toledo will be tops of their respective divisions for years to come? Right now they may be but in the future....
HuskieDan Wrote:Schadenfreude Wrote:HuskieDan Wrote:Santa Fe Falcon Wrote:There is an agreement that BG and Toledo will play each other every year. As far as I know, there is no other cross divisional agreement like this between MAC teams. I'm guessing that most MAC fans, and especially those of BG and Toledo like this agreement. Does it, however put BG and Toledo at a scheduling disadvantage in comparison to other MAC teams?
What this agreement means is that every year, BG and Toledo, unlike other MAC teams, will have at least one very difficult road game.
The way things are today, there are 4 top tier teams in the MAC--BG, Toledo, Miami, and Northern Illinois. In years where BG plays Toledo at home, they will play Miami on the road. And in years where Toledo plays BG at home, they will play Northern Illinois on the road.
No other MAC teams face this kind of situation. Look at Miami this year. They play BG at home and do not have to play any other top tier team on the road. I think I'm correct on this. Regardless, surely neither Miami or Northern Illinois has to face this type of schedule every year.
Now this could all change if one of the present 4 top tier teams is replaced by someone else. But as it stands now, I think Miami and Northern Illinois enjoy a scheduling advantage nearly every year.
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What he says is true.
But, to a person, Toledo and Bowling Green fans wouldn't have it any other way.
What he says is true right now, and only has been for the last 3-4 years. Who's to say that it will continue as such?
Take a look at the standings since 1947.
IULurker Wrote:I think your argument is moot since the ESPN will require the "top" teams to play each other, regardless of division. So if Toledo wasn't playing BG, they would be playing Miami or the like. Besides, what are the chances BOTH BG and Toledo will be tops of their respective divisions for years to come? Right now they may be but in the future....
I think you are probably correct to think that Miami will be playing NIU or Toledo each season for the forseeable future.
Schadenfreude Wrote:Take a look at the standings since 1947.
I did.
And I learned that Denny Stoltz had three straight losing seasons at the start of his tenure, that Moe Ankney posted five straight losing seasons in his run, and that Gary Blackney posted six straight losing seasons at the end of his run, bottoming out at 2-9.
Even good programs have bad stretches. (See Rose, Tim.) BG has had more of them than some other schools I can think of in this league.
Weren't you trying to *disprove* Dan's point?
DevilGrad Wrote:Weren't you trying to *disprove* Dan's point?
Only Miami has a better winning percentage or more titles.
And Bowling Green has finished second more often than it has finished first.
Usually, Bowling Green is a force in this league.
Schadenfreude Wrote:And Bowling Green has finished second more often than it has finished first.
I hear ya.
Schadenfreude Wrote:DevilGrad Wrote:Weren't you trying to *disprove* Dan's point?
Only Miami has a better winning percentage or more titles.
And Bowling Green has finished second more often than it has finished first.
Usually, Bowling Green is a force in this league.
That's fine, but it's a bit pompous to expect that to continue every year for the foreseeable future, and a bit presumptuous to suggest that something be done to even out the "unfairness" of a situation that two rivals demanded.
Why not ask the MAC if Brandon and Amstutz can draw up the schedules?
Heck, I'll do it.
MAC Week #1 -- UT vs. BG at Huntington on the Prairie
MAC Week #2 -- BG vs. UT at @ss Bowl
MAC Week #3 -- UT vs. BG at Huntington on the Prairie
MAC Week #4 -- BG vs. UT at @ss Bowl
MAC Week #5 -- UT vs. BG at Huntington on the Prairie
MAC Week #6 -- BG vs. UT at @ss Bowl
MAC Week #7 -- UT vs. BG at Huntington on the Prairie
MAC Week #8 -- BG vs. UT at @ss Bowl
That way, they can continue pissing in each other's Cheerios forever and let the rest of us talk about something else for a change.
DevilGrad Wrote:Heck, I'll do it.
MAC Week #1 -- UT vs. BG at Huntington on the Prairie
MAC Week #2 -- BG vs. UT at @ss Bowl
MAC Week #3 -- UT vs. BG at Huntington on the Prairie
MAC Week #4 -- BG vs. UT at @ss Bowl
MAC Week #5 -- UT vs. BG at Huntington on the Prairie
MAC Week #6 -- BG vs. UT at @ss Bowl
MAC Week #7 -- UT vs. BG at Huntington on the Prairie
MAC Week #8 -- BG vs. UT at @ss Bowl
That way, they can continue pissing in each other's Cheerios forever and let the rest of us talk about something else for a change.
I wouldn't mind going 8-0 in conference play with all 8 wins over BG.......I like that schedule. Imagine our home attendance with BG at home 4 times in a season. :D
HuskieDan Wrote:That's fine, but it's a bit pompous to expect that to continue every year for the foreseeable future,
It's continued for close to sixty years.
Bowling Green isn't competitive every year. But it is most years.
Same for Toledo.
Quote:and a bit presumptuous to suggest that something be done to even out the "unfairness" of a situation that two rivals demanded.
I never suggested this, and I'm not sure Santa Fe did, either.
Schadenfreude Wrote:HuskieDan Wrote:That's fine, but it's a bit pompous to expect that to continue every year for the foreseeable future,
It's continued for close to sixty years.
Bowling Green isn't competitive every year. But it is most years.
Same for Toledo.
Come talk when you have had 11 straight winning seasons and counting. The last time Toledo wasn't competitive and in the mix in the conference was 1993.
rocketfootball Wrote:Schadenfreude Wrote:HuskieDan Wrote:That's fine, but it's a bit pompous to expect that to continue every year for the foreseeable future,
It's continued for close to sixty years.
Bowling Green isn't competitive every year. But it is most years.
Same for Toledo.
Come talk when you have had 11 straight winning seasons and counting. The last time Toledo wasn't competitive and in the mix in the conference was 1993.
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