Both great offenses, but Toledo has both O and D. I can’t wait for the game. It will be the best MAC game this year. But if I had to bet the farm, I’d bet it on Toledo.
I was pleased to see SI selected the BG-UT game as the 12th best DIA game to see this season.
Still it is very, very early to get a sense of the crucial Novermber conference games. Last year Toledo gave up 63 points in the first 2 games and still won the MAC based on big November wins. Early on, most of the Wisconsin runs were to the outside, not between the tackles and the game is at BG this year. I am still cautious at this point.
Toledo will put up 70 pts on BGSU.
OUBOBCATJOHN Wrote:Toledo will put up 70 pts on BGSU.
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OUBOBCATJOHN Wrote:Toledo will put up 70 pts on BGSU.
I hope you're right. As excited as I am about our offense, I may be even more excited by our D. Hoping it just gets better too and that WIU wasn't just a weak offense.
I can't help but remember back to last year's Minnesota game when the BG fans were so embarrassed that UT gave up 63 points to the Gophers. I have thought about this the whole offseason and couldn't help but feel that the BG fans were overlooking the weakness of their defense in the midst of the hype of their offense. None of them were concerned because UT's problem was that their defense consisted of mostly freshmen, whereas their's consisted of veterans, no matter how good they were.
I know that BG fans are excited about Jon Lovitz and think that their defense is good but I am sticking to my thoughts. I really think that they are going to lose a couple more throughout the season because the other team has a defense. Fortunately for BG, UT has proven that a disciplined defense can improve from the beginning to the end of the season.
My prediction after week 1 [and during the offseason] is that the Redhawks represent the MAC East in the Championship game.
Roudebush Rocket Wrote:I know that BG fans are excited about Jon Lovitz and think that their defense is good but I am sticking to my thoughts. I really think that they are going to lose a couple more throughout the season because the other team has a defense. Fortunately for BG, UT has proven that a disciplined defense can improve from the beginning to the end of the season.
My prediction after week 1 [and during the offseason] is that the Redhawks represent the MAC East in the Championship game.
I completely agree with you, I think BG will lose at least three more times this year. Just like we were last year they have been overrated to start the season, but won’t recover like we did. If Wisconsin can put up all those points on BG, imagine what will happen on the blue turf.
I haven't bothered to look it up, but does Boise average a 300 pound line the likes of Wisconsin?
OUBOBCATJOHN Wrote:Toledo will put up 70 pts on BGSU.
LOL, but BG might put up 69 against us........not because our defense is bad, but because their offense is that good.
Seriously though, Brandon and the BG coaching staff are great at recruiting offensive players, but they are just to small and over-matched on defense and the BG coaching staff has lost 3 games in the last two years because they don't know how to adjust. (NIU and Toledo in 2004 and Wisky in 2005) That is the biggest knock on Brandon.....he doesn't know how to adjust throughout the game or in the locker room at halftime.
BG could win their next 9 games and be 9-1 going into the UT game though. Their offense is that GOOD!
I am only thinking of Ball State at this point.
BTW, If we can put up 531 yards of total offense on a young, but talented, Big 10 D, what might we be able to do in the MAC? NOBODY looked impressive this first weekend...except WMU. They played a good game at Virginia. The MAC got spanked today.
I agree with rf...for some reason, our adjustments in certain games (or lack of) has cost us. It cost us today.
But I don't think BG is gonna see an Oline, FB and RB like Calhoun the rest of the season...not even close.
I won't write Lovett off yet...but our defense needs a lot of work. Can someone honestly say that anyone else's defense here in the MAC would have fared better? I mean Miami was getting spanked 34-0 at OSU until they scored a couple late TD's. Kent State's MAC best D from 2005 got smoked for 49 at MSU? Ohio gave up 38 to an average NW team. NIU played a decent game at Michigan but still lost by 16. Ball State? Forget it. I feel badly for the Cardinal fans cuz it looks like they are getting worse.
Also, Minny and Kansas laid 63 on UT last year. Wisky put up 56 on us today. The difference is BG put up 42 on Wisky. And PJ Pope didn't even play for 2 1/2 quarters due to injury. Our offense is gonna smoke.
Face it...the Big 10 is LOADED this year. They really have some outstanding teams.
Beat Ball State!
GlassBowl9 Wrote:Roudebush Rocket Wrote:I know that BG fans are excited about Jon Lovitz and think that their defense is good but I am sticking to my thoughts. I really think that they are going to lose a couple more throughout the season because the other team has a defense. Fortunately for BG, UT has proven that a disciplined defense can improve from the beginning to the end of the season.
My prediction after week 1 [and during the offseason] is that the Redhawks represent the MAC East in the Championship game.
I completely agree with you, I think BG will lose at least three more times this year. Just like we were last year they have been overrated to start the season, but won’t recover like we did. If Wisconsin can put up all those points on BG, imagine what will happen on the blue turf.
WTF? Did you see the Boise State/Georgia game? 48-13. Using your logic, if BG can put up 531 yards and 42 points on a Big 10 D, what might they do to a Boise State D that gave up 50 pts today?
And how do you think the UT D would have fared today had they played Wisky? Please be objective.
You keep thinking our D is toast...just like we did with you guys last year after Minny and Kansas (!?!?!) put up 63 back to back. :D
We, however, scored 42 on Wisky. UT didn't score that many points in 2 games against Minny and Kansas (35).
How did Miami look today? The only thing I knew was the Bucks had them down 34-0 in the 4th and the game ended up 34-14. Sounds like Miami has issues to address.
Kent State had the best D statistically in the MAC last year. They gave up 49 points to Michigan State.
It was Lovett's first game. I won't write the guy off after one game.
Beat Ball State.
OUBOBCATJOHN Wrote:Toledo will put up 70 pts on BGSU.
BG will put up 123 pts on Ohio this year.
Falconfreak90 Wrote:Also, Minny and Kansas laid 63 on UT last year. Wisky put up 56 on us today. The difference is BG put up 42 on Wisky. And PJ Pope didn't even play for 2 1/2 quarters due to injury. Our offense is gonna smoke.
You are right. BG has a great offense. Your defense is not good, but no one knows just how good Wisconsin's offense is. Now if you would have played offensively against Wisky like UT did against Minny and Kansas last year, Wisky would have scored 100 points on your defense.
So there are two ways to look at this. Your offense is great, but your defense may be really, really bad.
Of course last year UT won the MAC despite a bad defense. And let's not forget this is just the first week of the season.
rocketfootball Wrote:Falconfreak90 Wrote:Also, Minny and Kansas laid 63 on UT last year. Wisky put up 56 on us today. The difference is BG put up 42 on Wisky. And PJ Pope didn't even play for 2 1/2 quarters due to injury. Our offense is gonna smoke.
You are right. BG has a great offense. Your defense is not good, but no one knows just how good Wisconsin's offense is. Now if you would have played offensively against Wisky like UT did against Minny and Kansas last year, Wisky would have scored 100 points on your defense.
So there are two ways to look at this. Your offense is great, but your defense may be really, really bad.
Of course last year UT won the MAC despite a bad defense. And let's not forget this is just the first week of the season.
"Now if you would have played offensively against Wisky like UT did against Minny and Kansas last year, Wisky would have scored 100 points on your defense."
But we didn't play like UT did last year and Wisky didn't score 100 pts on us. And Wisky did beat Minny last season, 38-14.
Again, I ask. How would UT have fared today? Lakeland Rocket said on another thread that NO MAC D would have had a chance of stopping the Wisky O line and RB's.
I think you really hope our D is as bad as many claim. Cuz you know our offense is gonna score....and score often.
Yes our defense has issues...but most of them are correctable. Like tackling!!!! :mad: :mad: We do need to improve drastically in that area.
And if our D is as bad as many claim, at least we can only improve, correct? I mean, who in the MAC has an O line and stable of backs like Wisky?
On to week 2...BEAT BALL STATE!!
GO FALCONS!
Falconfreak90 Wrote:rocketfootball Wrote:Falconfreak90 Wrote:Also, Minny and Kansas laid 63 on UT last year. Wisky put up 56 on us today. The difference is BG put up 42 on Wisky. And PJ Pope didn't even play for 2 1/2 quarters due to injury. Our offense is gonna smoke.
You are right. BG has a great offense. Your defense is not good, but no one knows just how good Wisconsin's offense is. Now if you would have played offensively against Wisky like UT did against Minny and Kansas last year, Wisky would have scored 100 points on your defense.
So there are two ways to look at this. Your offense is great, but your defense may be really, really bad.
Of course last year UT won the MAC despite a bad defense. And let's not forget this is just the first week of the season.
"Now if you would have played offensively against Wisky like UT did against Minny and Kansas last year, Wisky would have scored 100 points on your defense."
But we didn't play like UT did last year and Wisky didn't score 100 pts on us. And Wisky did beat Minny last season, 38-14.
Again, I ask. How would UT have fared today? Lakeland Rocket said on another thread that NO MAC D would have had a chance of stopping the Wisky O line and RB's.
I think you really hope our D is as bad as many claim. Cuz you know our offense is gonna score....and score often.
Yes our defense has issues...but most of them are correctable. Like tackling!!!! :mad: :mad: We do need to improve drastically in that area.
And if our D is as bad as many claim, at least we can only improve, correct? I mean, who in the MAC has an O line and stable of backs like Wisky?
On to week 2...BEAT BALL STATE!!
GO FALCONS!
Quit getting so defensive. Early in this thread I said that BG could win their next 9 games and be 9-1 going into the UT game.
I also said that BG's offense was great. I was comparing your defense by saying that if your offense wasn't so good the defense would have given up more points. That is what UT's defense had to put up with last year against Minnesota. Sorry that you took it the wrong way, but chill out.
The Wisconsin team that beat Minnesota last year is not the team you played against. Many players graduated or are not playing on the team anymore. Calhoun wasn't playing on that Wisky team either though.
I personally don't think your defense will be as bad in November as it seems to be right now. Of course that is what I said last year about Toledo too and I was right in that case as well.
Your offense scared me last year, but Toledo still was able to outscore BG to win the game. Don't know what will happen, but I am not worried about Toledo playing BG and getting blown out. I do not hope that BG's defense is that bad either.
You must just be upset because BG lost today and the defense seemed to be very off and many BG fans didn't expect that. I am sure you feel like many UT fans did about our defense last year after the Minnesota game.
BG at Ball State next week...........BG's defense will look like OSU's defense against Ball State. BG might win this one 70-3.
I'm getting defensive? Well now...I did expect BG to play better D today than they did.
The reason I'm getting frustrated is cuz a lot of folks here are claiming that BG's D is so bad...we gave up 501 yards to Wisky but we cranked out 531 yards today. So the Wisky D must be as bad as the BG D.
Kent State gave up 685 yards to Michigan State. Were they not supposed to have the MAC's best D? One Ohio fan rips BG's D yet his Bobcats gave up 551 yards to NW. Miami gave up almost 400 to Ohio State. NIU gave up 441 yards to Michigan.
I'd say its safe to assume that BG isn't the only team with defensive concerns. I was merely pointing out that other teams did worse than the Falcons today.
I'm chillin, bro. Yes I'm very disappointed because I expected BG to win. But I have no problem with BG's effort today.
We'll be ok.
rocketfootball Wrote:LOL, but BG might put up 69 against us........not because our defense is bad, but because their offense is that good.
Butthead:
Huh huh, huh huh, he said 69 man. Huh huh, huh huh.
Beavis:
Rockfoo rules!
I'm not going to discuss the progression of UT's defense from the beginning of the season last year to the end of the season because if people still haven't figured it out, they aren't going to. UT's defense won them that game over BG last year. For all intents and purposes, UT's defense gave up 28 points to BG. The last fourteen were in garbage time. Many of us have the DVD which shows that.
It doesn't matter if BG lost 56-55 to a mediocre Wisconsin team and UT lost 63-0 to a mediocre Minnesota team. In the end, both teams would have lost because of their weak defense. Plus, I still have a hard time comparing Marion Barber III and Lawrence Maroney :eek: to some Calhoun guy. On top of that, UT's defense was made up of a lot of freshmen and BG fans have constantly stated that this is a veteran BG defense. BG will win a lot of games this year but I don't expect to see them in the MAC Championship game.
Now, a few MAC teams did impress me despite the losses today.
1.) Western Michigan sounds like they gave the Cavaliers a game despite playing with a backup quarterback and a lot of freshmen.
2.) Miami played the Buckeyes tough. This Buckeye team is probably the most balanced team that I've seen. Their 2002 NC team had a great defense and the offense was decent but I don't think their offense was as good as this one is. Miami's defense played well, considering. The offense needs some work but their defense will win them games while the offense finds their groove.
3.) NIU played great today. Michigan has a great offense and the Huskies made key stops on defense when needed. Their defense needs work but still played a very athletic team tough. It says a lot to hold the Wolverines to 33 points. Horvath played great. Nothing else needs to be said about the offense as I'm sure everyone can look up the rushing and passing stats. Too bad they couldn't hold onto the ball more.
Either way, these teams show the most promise right now, imo.
The scoreboard read 41 points, not 28. What you're saying is your team continually gave up points and let your arch rival stay within striking distance because it was "garbage time"?. That doesn't sound like a sound defensive philosophy.
How many points did you actually give up to UCONN? 18 and then you stopped trying?
UT's defense is as questionable as any other in the MAC, do not kid yourself.
Falconfreak90 Wrote:I'm getting defensive? Well now...I did expect BG to play better D today than they did.
The reason I'm getting frustrated is cuz a lot of folks here are claiming that BG's D is so bad...we gave up 501 yards to Wisky but we cranked out 531 yards today. So the Wisky D must be as bad as the BG D.
Kent State gave up 685 yards to Michigan State. Were they not supposed to have the MAC's best D? One Ohio fan rips BG's D yet his Bobcats gave up 551 yards to NW. Miami gave up almost 400 to Ohio State. NIU gave up 441 yards to Michigan.
I'd say its safe to assume that BG isn't the only team with defensive concerns. I was merely pointing out that other teams did worse than the Falcons today.
I'm chillin, bro. Yes I'm very disappointed because I expected BG to win. But I have no problem with BG's effort today.
We'll be ok.
It was definitely a bad day for the MAC and all teams gave up a lot of yardage and points. Some to teams that shouldn't have that good of offenses and some to teams that should have good offenses.
Many MAC teams have problems on defense and that has been our problem for quite a while now. The offenses have gotten much better over the years, but the defensive talent isn't.
That said, I simply stated accurate information about BG's defense. I also said that BG's offense is so damn good that they could very well win the next 9 games going into the UT/BG game. I also said that your defense could definitely improve as the season goes. I also mentioned that Toledo had a terrible defense last year, but they still found a way to outscore teams and win the MAC. Those are all points that point to me basically saying that BG could very well be just fine this year and win the MAC. Yet, you kind of blast me for my post because I said that BG's defense looked bad.
Yes, I think it is safe to say that you got too defensive over someone saying something about your defense.