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Toledo's Associate AD said today that a deal has been struck between the Rockets and Iowa State for a home and home football series. Don't know the dates yet, but a home and home against a BCS school is great!
Great news, but why can't the rest of the MAC keep up with this type scheduling?
Great news for the Rockets. MAC schools need more 1-for-1s with BCS schools.
Bah - NIU's already once wiped the floor with ISU. Course with a home and home, I hope Toledo wipes the floor twice.......
When I saw OSU scheduled BG for next year, as not so subtle poke-in-the-ribs for not playing the Buckeyes. My immediately thought was that the Rockets should fill in as the “TBA team
Iowa St has played a number of times at MAC stadiums over the last 15 years. Nothing new there.
UT Astrophysics Wrote:When I saw OSU scheduled BG for next year, as not so subtle poke-in-the-ribs for not playing the Buckeyes.
That crossed my mind.

My guess is that Bowling Green was willing to play for the amount Toledo refused.

And, while that might make some Toledo fans wince, this is fine with me. It's still a bunch of money, and if the Falcons could play at Ohio State every year, I'd support doing that. We've been as competitive as anyone in Columbus.
Tomznj Wrote:Great news, but why can't the rest of the MAC keep up with this type scheduling?
I hate to admit it, but UT is good year after year.
This gives them more prestige = more leverage.
axeme Wrote:Iowa St has played a number of times at MAC stadiums over the last 15 years. Nothing new there.
Name one MAC school that has signed a home and home deal with a BCS school? That is the difference here. It is not a 2 for 1, 3 for 1, or 1 game road payout........it is one game in Toledo and one game in Iowa.
By the way axeme, Iowa State has played the following MAC schools at the MAC school over the last 25 years:


2003 at Northern Illinois - part of a 2 for 1

2001 at Ohio University - part of a 2 for 1 I believe. They also played at ISU in '95 and '92 but I don't think they were part of the latest deal.


Kent State did play at Iowa State in 1981 and 1982, but did not get a return trip. Ball State played a 1 game road payout in 1998. Western Michigan played at Iowa State in 1990 and 1994.


Kent State (1971), Bowling Green (1977), Ohio University (2001), and Northern Illinois (2003) are the only MAC schools to have ever hosted Iowa State.
Schadenfreude Wrote:
UT Astrophysics Wrote:When I saw OSU scheduled BG for next year, as not so subtle poke-in-the-ribs for not playing the Buckeyes.
That crossed my mind.

My guess is that Bowling Green was willing to play for the amount Toledo refused.

And, while that might make some Toledo fans wince, this is fine with me. It's still a bunch of money, and if the Falcons could play at Ohio State every year, I'd support doing that. We've been as competitive as anyone in Columbus.
how much does it cost to host a football game? I doubt it if we offer the same kind of payouts as alot of the "bigger" schools but just going by ticket sales if UT has 30k people in the stands(paid attendance) that brings in $720,000.00 at $24.00/ticket. Plus add in concessions. What expenses are there that take the profit below the $250k(or was it $350k) that OSU was offering us? We keep scheduling bigger name schools willing to come here and we can eventually draw more "fairweather fans" into becoming actual fans and coming to more games. Not meant as a flame, I'm just really curious what expenses there are and what values those are and if the money games actually do bring in money despite the travel costs.
rocketfootball Wrote:
axeme Wrote:Iowa St has played a number of times at MAC stadiums over the last 15 years. Nothing new there.
Name one MAC school that has signed a home and home deal with a BCS school?
Bowling Green hosted Iowa State in a home and home during the 1970s. Bowling Green hosted in 1977. Iowa State hosted in 1979.

I think your home-and-home with Iowa State is a great idea. But it's been done.
Shrakkrocket Wrote:
Schadenfreude Wrote:
UT Astrophysics Wrote:When I saw OSU scheduled BG for next year, as not so subtle poke-in-the-ribs for not playing the Buckeyes.
That crossed my mind.

My guess is that Bowling Green was willing to play for the amount Toledo refused.

And, while that might make some Toledo fans wince, this is fine with me. It's still a bunch of money, and if the Falcons could play at Ohio State every year, I'd support doing that. We've been as competitive as anyone in Columbus.
how much does it cost to host a football game? I doubt it if we offer the same kind of payouts as alot of the "bigger" schools but just going by ticket sales if UT has 30k people in the stands(paid attendance) that brings in $720,000.00 at $24.00/ticket. Plus add in concessions. What expenses are there that take the profit below the $250k(or was it $350k) that OSU was offering us? We keep scheduling bigger name schools willing to come here and we can eventually draw more "fairweather fans" into becoming actual fans and coming to more games. Not meant as a flame, I'm just really curious what expenses there are and what values those are and if the money games actually do bring in money despite the travel costs.
Bowling Green is lining up home and homes. Our games with Wisconsin and Boise State this season are part of home-and-homes. Next year we start a series with Florida International -- not glitzy, I'll admit, but it may help with recruiting. And we are working on another home and home with Boise State.

So, these type series are important.

But I believe playing Ohio State is important, too -- and they obviously aren't going to make the tirp up to Perry Stadium.
Schadenfreude Wrote:
rocketfootball Wrote:
axeme Wrote:Iowa St has played a number of times at MAC stadiums over the last 15 years. Nothing new there.
Name one MAC school that has signed a home and home deal with a BCS school?
Bowling Green hosted Iowa State in a home and home during the 1970s. Bowling Green hosted in 1977. Iowa State hosted in 1979.

I think your home-and-home with Iowa State is a great idea. But it's been done.
You are correct. I looked back and BG is the only MAC school to do a home and home with Iowa State before........of course things were much different in 1977 then they are now. In 1977 there wasn't even the I-A and I-AA classification. We were all just Division I.

I did not mention the BG home and home because axeme mentioned that ISU has played at several MAC schools in the last 15 years. I went further back and gave him the last 25 years, which went from 1981-2005 (counting this year).


Given the fact that BG has not been able to get Purdue to come to the Doyt and has had recent 2 for 1 deals with Missouri (actually I think it was a 3 for 1 deal though) and Pittsburgh (final game of the deal still to be played in Pittsburgh in 2008) I think it would be very difficult to believe that BG could get a home and home with Iowa State now, in the age of the BCS.
Schadenfreude Wrote:
Shrakkrocket Wrote:
Schadenfreude Wrote:
UT Astrophysics Wrote:When I saw OSU scheduled BG for next year, as not so subtle poke-in-the-ribs for not playing the Buckeyes.
That crossed my mind.

My guess is that Bowling Green was willing to play for the amount Toledo refused.

And, while that might make some Toledo fans wince, this is fine with me. It's still a bunch of money, and if the Falcons could play at Ohio State every year, I'd support doing that. We've been as competitive as anyone in Columbus.
how much does it cost to host a football game? I doubt it if we offer the same kind of payouts as alot of the "bigger" schools but just going by ticket sales if UT has 30k people in the stands(paid attendance) that brings in $720,000.00 at $24.00/ticket. Plus add in concessions. What expenses are there that take the profit below the $250k(or was it $350k) that OSU was offering us? We keep scheduling bigger name schools willing to come here and we can eventually draw more "fairweather fans" into becoming actual fans and coming to more games. Not meant as a flame, I'm just really curious what expenses there are and what values those are and if the money games actually do bring in money despite the travel costs.
Bowling Green is lining up home and homes. Our games with Wisconsin and Boise State this season are part of home-and-homes. Next year we start a series with Florida International -- not glitzy, I'll admit, but it may help with recruiting. And we are working on another home and home with Boise State.

So, these type series are important.

But I believe playing Ohio State is important, too -- and they obviously aren't going to make the tirp up to Perry Stadium.
While everyone agrees that Ohio State isn't going to make the trip to Perry Stadium, sooner or later they will play at Paul Brown Stadium. IMHO it will be against either BGSU, Miami, or Cinn. which ever school gives them the best deal. It seems that Toledo is doing something right that the rest of the MAC can't do. Why is that?
westernwilly Wrote:
Tomznj Wrote:Great news, but why can't the rest of the MAC keep up with this type scheduling?
I hate to admit it, but UT is good year after year.
This gives them more prestige = more leverage.
The results speak for themselvs, you have to think it's more about scheduling savy
rocketfootball Wrote:Given the fact that BG has not been able to get Purdue to come to the Doyt and has had recent 2 for 1 deals with Missouri (actually I think it was a 3 for 1 deal though)
Missouri was a two-for-one.

Quote: I think it would be very difficult to believe that BG could get a home and home with Iowa State now, in the age of the BCS.

We got Wisconsin and Boise State.
Schadenfreude Wrote:
rocketfootball Wrote:Given the fact that BG has not been able to get Purdue to come to the Doyt and has had recent 2 for 1 deals with Missouri (actually I think it was a 3 for 1 deal though)
Missouri was a two-for-one.

Quote: I think it would be very difficult to believe that BG could get a home and home with Iowa State now, in the age of the BCS.

We got Wisconsin and Boise State.
Boise State is not a BCS school, but Toledo has home and home deals with Boise State and Fresno State if you want to go that route.


Wisconsin is great and I am glad for BG, but to me (and I think a lot of people would agree) it just isn't the same thing as playing them on your home field. You have a 2 game deal with Wisconsin......one in Wisconsin and one in Cleveland to be considered a home game for BG. In reality it will be like a neutral field game, not a home game. Cleveland is 2-2 1/2 hours from Bowling Green. You won't be playing on your home field, so the friendliness of how the field feels as you cut and run down it won't be there. Also, in a home game probably 75-80% of the fans are your own BG fans. This game in Cleveland will probably be 50-50 if BG is lucky. To me, that is not a true home game.
Schadenfreude Wrote:
rocketfootball Wrote:Given the fact that BG has not been able to get Purdue to come to the Doyt and has had recent 2 for 1 deals with Missouri (actually I think it was a 3 for 1 deal though)
Missouri was a two-for-one.
OK, I wasn't sure about that. I know that BG played at Missouri in 1995, but I guess that was just a one game road payout.

1995 at Missouri (one game road payout deal?)
1998 at Missouri
2001 at Missouri
2002 at Bowling Green
rocketfootball Wrote:Wisconsin is great and I am glad for BG, but to me (and I think a lot of people would agree) it just isn't the same thing as playing them on your home field.
It's still a home and home though.

And, as far as Iowa State -- their home attendance hasn't really changed at all since they played in Perry Stadium in 1977. The strengths of a program like Fresno State or Boise State aren't that far off an Iowa State at all.
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