Wryword Wrote:You know, Joe Lee did some good things for us during the Brewer years. We had some really kick butt defenses then. I wonder......

Oh, I totally agree, Wry, but his one year stint as the interim HC was not too pretty. A great defensive mind, but a head coach he is not. Although, I'd be willing to give him, anybody, another crack at it.

What are other choices?? I can't think of many good coaches and recruiters who would come for the amount of money we are able to offer.

Personally, I'm hoping Spurrier will get sick of the NFL and decide that he just HAS to coach Eli for a season. After all, he's one coach that won't need the money.....

Rx <<~~i can dream. can't i?

Oh, I agree that he ain't HC material. I also think he would consider coming back to Ole Miss as DC only if the Lord Himself told him it was that or hell. All I am trying to say here is that he did really good work for us back then. I don't know if he could do it now, but he sure did take not much and make it something. I expect he left OM under really bad circumstances. It was probably one of those situations where a person sees himself as top dog material when he really isn't, and gets really pissed when he has to come to terms with that reality. In other words, it ain't ever gonna be a possibility.

Especially with that cold fish Klutzcliffe. Say what you will about Billy Brewer, but even if he wasn't a bright bulb he did have the grit and the desire to win. And he was happy to have Joe Lee. Klutzcliffe would probably see Joe Lee as a threat. I mean, Joe Lee is alive, know what I mean?

Rebel_Rx Wrote:What are other choices?? I can't think of many good coaches and recruiters who would come for the amount of money we are able to offer.

Personally, I'm hoping Spurrier will get sick of the NFL and decide that he just HAS to coach Eli for a season. After all, he's one coach that won't need the money.....

Rx <<~~i can dream. can't i?

The thought brings a tear of joy to my eye Rx, but sadly, it's just a dream. Altough, Oxford is laid back and has good golf courses and it just might be his type of atmosphere. Imagine it. He comes in and gets to coach Eli's senior year, knowing that he's got guys coming up after Eli like Seth Smith and Michael Spurlock (who from what I've seen of him is much more accurate than Eli).

Rx, stop putting these nice visions in my head! I might start thinking positively again!

WR

well WR, stranger things have happened. You know how Visor Boy likes a challenge

Steady yourselves, Visorboy would consider a post at Ole Miss to be the end of line, and, quite honestly, the culture of Ole Miss would never accept him. He is not a man who would appreciate and enjoy the culture of Ole Miss, and Ole Miss would reject him for that reason, even if he gave us a 12-0 season. Sadly, we have not been able to make that step to accept and appreciate a person who is not "Ole Miss" in order to advance Ole Miss. We need a person like Spurrier, unlikeable as he is, but because of that kind of person's personality, we will never accept him. Our flaw, our critical flaw. We need a first rate SOB as coach, but because that person will be a first rate SOB, we will never have one. We want nice and effective; the two things seldom come together in one package.

Well, Bobby Knight coaches hoops though. Gawd, if he only could coach football.

WR

Wryword Wrote:He is not a man who would appreciate and enjoy the culture of Ole Miss, and Ole Miss would reject him for that reason, even if he gave us a 12-0 season.

Screw culture. If he gave us a 12-0 season, I would accept the sh*t out of him!

At this point, I don't think anyone would be worse. And, if they were, so what?

He's a total socialite on top of being a top notch coach. If he came in and did a good job on the program, I think he'd fit right in to the Ole Miss/Oxford scene.

WR

I am with you, 10. For a football coach I don't want a nice guy, I don't want somebody who will be sweet to our beautiful women and the little children, I want an SOB who wants to win and won't take losing. A man with that kind of intensity will put people off, but t'hell wid em. We want to win? Then we have to have a man who wants to win more than we do. And then we have to pay him to stay with us.

well guys, I think Spurrier would fit in very well....but it aint gonna happen so we should probably just wake up from our dream.

Hey pea, are we getting a new coach? And are you gonna give us enough money to get a good one??

::yawns::

Damn, I hate waking up.

WR

Wryword Wrote:For a football coach I don't want a nice guy, I don't want somebody who will be sweet to our beautiful women and the little children, I want an SOB who wants to win and won't take losing. A man with that kind of intensity will put people off, but t'hell wid em. We want to win? Then we have to have a man who wants to win more than we do. And then we have to pay him to stay with us.

PRECISELY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Niceness does not win. Being a helluva motivator, get in your face, slap the sh*t out of ya when you screw up and tell ya you can do better when you do good, take no prisoners, get the fock out of my way cuz I brought this team here to win, play to win and not just be competitive, scoring 60 points on somebody and you're not running the score up cuz your third string scored 24 of 'em, type coach!

That's what kind of guy I want at Ole Miss, the anti-everything that Cutt is. But, those guys don't exist unless you pay over 1.5 or 2 mil a year. And you know we ain't paying that!

You know, Rx, that's the sad thing. We have alumni who could pay for first rate coaching talent. I am not necessarily including Peanut, who I frankly suspect is only modestly "rich", but there are some who have serious money. The money people are available, if they can be induced to fund a proven coach. They have to get off the idea of getting an unproven one on the cheap,with the idea that he is an overlooked genius. There is no such thing as an overlooked genius in college or pro ball. The game is too big for such romantic ideas.

One problem for Ole Miss is convincing candidates that Oxford is a good place to live. We have to understand what the competition is, and to understand that you have to have lived or visited other major university towns. Oxford is the kind of place that grows on you slowly. But most folks, especially when they are fairly young, looking at the prospect of serious salaries, are not easily convinced that Oxford with Her slower pace will provide them a more than adequate substance. Those other place provide many experiences that have not yet arrived in Oxford, but Oxford provides a real, substantial life. That,though, is a very hard thing to sell.



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That's why we really need someone with fire, but who has Ole Miss blood. Spurrier played at Florida and thus loved coaching here. What we need is someone who played here and loved being at Ole Miss...someone who can coach of course. Other than going back to Brewer, who do we have though?

WR

Great points Wry....But I think the right kinda person may be completely enthralled with Oxford...if shown it in the proper light.

If only I knew anything about coaching football......

I'd kill to be living in Oxford again, but there isn't much in the way of a radio industry there. :frown:

WR



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Joe Lee did a good job while he was here, at Ark. and the first few years in Starkville but he has seen his day, that is pretty obvious. We are about the only team they have stopped in the last couple of years.

A couple of years ago the East Carolina coach was doing a bang up job. He was young and firey and it showed in his coaching. You never knew what he was going to do. . . (not so predictable), but they have sorta hit the skids. Don't know exactly why.

It does me some good to dream about hiring an innovative, enthusiastic coach - great recruiter, etc. then I remember..........we still have "Charlie McCarthy" as our head coach.



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