Position ourselves as a separate division, prepare to make lower division money. Maybe this is inevitable, but we should be fighting this tooth and nail if you don't wanna be in the same public mind space and monetary bracket as the Delaware Blue Hens and the Idaho Vandals.

(04-24-2024 12:00 PM)CoastalJuan Wrote:  Per Heather Dinich: There is some buzz here at the @CFBPlayoff spring meetings about the idea of a Group of 5 postseason tournament. It was discussed years ago but never gained traction. Retiring AAC commish Mike Aresco said he was always concerned it would “separate us from the big guys.”

Story: Group of Five playoff being pitched by Derek Dooley, financially backed by private equity firms


If our new Commissioner is complicit in this, with his "maverick postseason format" talk, I'm going to lose it.

If ECU were to go along with this, or the commissioner opt the conference in and we go along, they won't get another dime from me. My donations alone likely aren't enough to offset the "go away" loot being discussed, but I won't be the only one.

UNT will want no part of this. We joined the AAC to be with like-minded programs desiring to play at the highest level possible. A "lower-level playoff" is not an option for those seeking access to the highest level of competition. I'd hope every program in the American would give this proposal the middle finger.

(04-25-2024 10:16 PM)Side.Show.Joe Wrote:  

(04-24-2024 12:00 PM)CoastalJuan Wrote:  Per Heather Dinich: There is some buzz here at the @CFBPlayoff spring meetings about the idea of a Group of 5 postseason tournament. It was discussed years ago but never gained traction. Retiring AAC commish Mike Aresco said he was always concerned it would “separate us from the big guys.”

Story: Group of Five playoff being pitched by Derek Dooley, financially backed by private equity firms


If our new Commissioner is complicit in this, with his "maverick postseason format" talk, I'm going to lose it.

If ECU were to go along with this, or the commissioner opt the conference in and we go along, they won't get another dime from me. My donations alone likely aren't enough to offset the "go away" loot being discussed, but I won't be the only one.

UNT will want no part of this. We joined the AAC to be with like-minded programs desiring to play at the highest level possible. A "lower-level playoff" is not an option for those seeking access to the highest level of competition. I'd hope every program in the American would give this proposal the middle finger.

Too bad your commissioner is pushing it

The only way it makes any sense at all is if the best G5 team takes part in the G5 playoff. We would have to turn our backs entirely on the CFP. I agree that the G5 becomes the G7 someday, and that an inevitable split happens.

I imagine that the P2 will end up being the P1 somewhere down the road. “There can only be one”.

(04-25-2024 10:40 PM)Pony94 Wrote:  

(04-25-2024 10:16 PM)Side.Show.Joe Wrote:  

(04-24-2024 12:00 PM)CoastalJuan Wrote:  Per Heather Dinich: There is some buzz here at the @CFBPlayoff spring meetings about the idea of a Group of 5 postseason tournament. It was discussed years ago but never gained traction. Retiring AAC commish Mike Aresco said he was always concerned it would “separate us from the big guys.”

Story: Group of Five playoff being pitched by Derek Dooley, financially backed by private equity firms


If our new Commissioner is complicit in this, with his "maverick postseason format" talk, I'm going to lose it.

If ECU were to go along with this, or the commissioner opt the conference in and we go along, they won't get another dime from me. My donations alone likely aren't enough to offset the "go away" loot being discussed, but I won't be the only one.

UNT will want no part of this. We joined the AAC to be with like-minded programs desiring to play at the highest level possible. A "lower-level playoff" is not an option for those seeking access to the highest level of competition. I'd hope every program in the American would give this proposal the middle finger.

Too bad your commissioner is pushing it

Not confirmed yet, but there is definitely smoke. Just want some clarity on his stance.

All of this isn't far off from an actual rational solution. The whole of G5 just gets one CFP slot. That slot should be the highest ranked conference champ just like the other 5.

Beyond that, a tournament among either just the G5, or a group of teams from any conference ranked below #12, would likely be more interesting/valuable than the bowls.

I don't think any of it happens until the top three power conferences break away from the NCAA in football. The BIG10, SEC, and BIG12 are all going to expand by two in the future. At that point, we'll be forced to start our own tournament, because we won't have access to theirs. When we're forced to do it, we'll do it. We'll adapt, and we'll make the best of it. Perhaps a G7 playoff is more valuable than people think, and we end up making more money from it than the scraps they're tossing us from the CFP.

(04-26-2024 11:48 AM)Ourland Wrote:  I don't think any of it happens until the top three power conferences break away from the NCAA in football. The BIG10, SEC, and BIG12 are all going to expand by two in the future. At that point, we'll be forced to start our own tournament, because we won't have access to theirs. When we're forced to do it, we'll do it. We'll adapt, and we'll make the best of it. Perhaps a G7 playoff is more valuable than people think, and we end up making more money from it than the scraps they're tossing us from the CFP.

I guarantee that, if we had our own secondary playoff, we'll lose way more in recruits/advertising/apparel/media than an FCS 2.0 playoff would pay us.

(04-26-2024 12:21 PM)CoastalJuan Wrote:  

(04-26-2024 11:48 AM)Ourland Wrote:  I don't think any of it happens until the top three power conferences break away from the NCAA in football. The BIG10, SEC, and BIG12 are all going to expand by two in the future. At that point, we'll be forced to start our own tournament, because we won't have access to theirs. When we're forced to do it, we'll do it. We'll adapt, and we'll make the best of it. Perhaps a G7 playoff is more valuable than people think, and we end up making more money from it than the scraps they're tossing us from the CFP.

I guarantee that, if we had our own secondary playoff, we'll lose way more in recruits/advertising/apparel/media than an FCS 2.0 playoff would pay us.

That could be true, but that depends on some variables that we won’t know until everything finally shakes out down the line.. I also don’t underestimate the number of fans out there that are incredibly turned off by the professionalization of amateur sports, and who would rather support real student-athletes who aren’t getting wealthy on NIL. There’s a meaningful niche for real NCAA schools in the market. Not much of it will be under our control when it happens, but I think we’d be fine.

(04-26-2024 07:24 AM)CoastalJuan Wrote:  

(04-25-2024 10:40 PM)Pony94 Wrote:  

(04-25-2024 10:16 PM)Side.Show.Joe Wrote:  

(04-24-2024 12:00 PM)CoastalJuan Wrote:  Per Heather Dinich: There is some buzz here at the @CFBPlayoff spring meetings about the idea of a Group of 5 postseason tournament. It was discussed years ago but never gained traction. Retiring AAC commish Mike Aresco said he was always concerned it would “separate us from the big guys.”

Story: Group of Five playoff being pitched by Derek Dooley, financially backed by private equity firms


If our new Commissioner is complicit in this, with his "maverick postseason format" talk, I'm going to lose it.

If ECU were to go along with this, or the commissioner opt the conference in and we go along, they won't get another dime from me. My donations alone likely aren't enough to offset the "go away" loot being discussed, but I won't be the only one.

UNT will want no part of this. We joined the AAC to be with like-minded programs desiring to play at the highest level possible. A "lower-level playoff" is not an option for those seeking access to the highest level of competition. I'd hope every program in the American would give this proposal the middle finger.

Too bad your commissioner is pushing it

Not confirmed yet, but there is definitely smoke. Just want some clarity on his stance.

All of this isn't far off from an actual rational solution. The whole of G5 just gets one CFP slot. That slot should be the highest ranked conference champ just like the other 5.

Beyond that, a tournament among either just the G5, or a group of teams from any conference ranked below #12, would likely be more interesting/valuable than the bowls.

This article talks about the G5 playoff and the monied interests floating around. G5 may end up as the G7. Pernetti quoted.

https://www.on3.com/os/news/group-of-fiv...te-equity/

"Make no mistake, sources said, private equity is coming to college sports and specific schools. PE firms are circling.

“Private equity has been heavily investing in sports for an extended period of time already,” new American Athletic Conference Commissioner Tim Pernetti said during his introductory news conference. “It’s like circling the neighborhood in college sports, but it hasn’t parked its car in anyone’s driveway yet. “I think that’s inevitable.”

The commissioner seems to be in favor of attracting money to the conference.

(04-24-2024 07:46 PM)b2b Wrote:  

(04-24-2024 06:52 PM)Bull Wrote:  Its like admitting defeat and accepting second class status. So long as the G5 have a playoff spot, access spot, whatever, NO ONE should even be thinking about such nonsense...

Media stirring the pot. Nothing more.

Another one that didn't read the article.

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Man I freely admit I don't have time to read most linked articles here... I'm ridiculously busy with work. I come here to skim the threads and get a sense of whats going on...

But the title of the thread is 'G5 playoff'...

(04-26-2024 01:40 PM)Fishpro10987 Wrote:  

(04-26-2024 07:24 AM)CoastalJuan Wrote:  

(04-25-2024 10:40 PM)Pony94 Wrote:  

(04-25-2024 10:16 PM)Side.Show.Joe Wrote:  

(04-24-2024 12:00 PM)CoastalJuan Wrote:  Per Heather Dinich: There is some buzz here at the @CFBPlayoff spring meetings about the idea of a Group of 5 postseason tournament. It was discussed years ago but never gained traction. Retiring AAC commish Mike Aresco said he was always concerned it would “separate us from the big guys.”

Story: Group of Five playoff being pitched by Derek Dooley, financially backed by private equity firms


If our new Commissioner is complicit in this, with his "maverick postseason format" talk, I'm going to lose it.

If ECU were to go along with this, or the commissioner opt the conference in and we go along, they won't get another dime from me. My donations alone likely aren't enough to offset the "go away" loot being discussed, but I won't be the only one.

UNT will want no part of this. We joined the AAC to be with like-minded programs desiring to play at the highest level possible. A "lower-level playoff" is not an option for those seeking access to the highest level of competition. I'd hope every program in the American would give this proposal the middle finger.

Too bad your commissioner is pushing it

Not confirmed yet, but there is definitely smoke. Just want some clarity on his stance.

All of this isn't far off from an actual rational solution. The whole of G5 just gets one CFP slot. That slot should be the highest ranked conference champ just like the other 5.

Beyond that, a tournament among either just the G5, or a group of teams from any conference ranked below #12, would likely be more interesting/valuable than the bowls.

This article talks about the G5 playoff and the monied interests floating around. G5 may end up as the G7. Pernetti quoted.

https://www.on3.com/os/news/group-of-fiv...te-equity/

"Make no mistake, sources said, private equity is coming to college sports and specific schools. PE firms are circling.

“Private equity has been heavily investing in sports for an extended period of time already,” new American Athletic Conference Commissioner Tim Pernetti said during his introductory news conference. “It’s like circling the neighborhood in college sports, but it hasn’t parked its car in anyone’s driveway yet. “I think that’s inevitable.”

The commissioner seems to be in favor of attracting money to the conference.

It's probably inevitable. The only question is which schools will be P3 or G7 by that time. The decimated PAC and ACC likely join us..

A G5 playoff would require players to suit up for more games than their P4 counterparts. Aside from fairness and increased injury issues, it would undermine recruiting due to more work and increased risk.

We need to throttle this malformed monstrosity in its cradle.

(04-26-2024 02:25 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  A G5 playoff would require players to suit up for more games than their P4 counterparts. Aside from fairness and increased injury issues, it would undermine recruiting due to more work and increased risk.

We need to throttle this malformed monstrosity in its cradle.

A G5 CFP 'play-in' tournament after the regular season doesn't make much sense to me. The highest ranked G5 school should keep getting that slot.

If there were a breakaway, or if it became impossible to access the current CFP system, the concept of our own G7 playoff is something altogether different. Presumably, our best school would play in our tournament, and we’d play for our own national championship.

(04-26-2024 03:53 PM)Ourland Wrote:  

(04-26-2024 02:25 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  A G5 playoff would require players to suit up for more games than their P4 counterparts. Aside from fairness and increased injury issues, it would undermine recruiting due to more work and increased risk.

We need to throttle this malformed monstrosity in its cradle.

A G5 CFP 'play-in' tournament after the regular season doesn't make much sense to me. The highest ranked G5 school should keep getting that slot.

If there were a breakaway, or if it became impossible to access the current CFP system, the concept of our own G7 playoff is something altogether different. Presumably, our best school would play in our tournament, and we’d play for our own national championship.

Your second option sounds too much like FCS. I could see more interest in a four-team G5 playoff because the stakes would be higher, because the winner gets into the playoff. More captivating storyline. The team left out would be the lowest ranked G5 champ. What needs to be worked out is reducing the schedule by eliminating the conference championship game (It's #1 vs, #2 now anyway). Just have the #1's be rewarded with the G5 playoff. Comes down to one extra game before the playoff. Should be enough time to rest the troops for the CFP.

(04-26-2024 11:20 PM)Fishpro10987 Wrote:  

(04-26-2024 03:53 PM)Ourland Wrote:  

(04-26-2024 02:25 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  A G5 playoff would require players to suit up for more games than their P4 counterparts. Aside from fairness and increased injury issues, it would undermine recruiting due to more work and increased risk.

We need to throttle this malformed monstrosity in its cradle.

A G5 CFP 'play-in' tournament after the regular season doesn't make much sense to me. The highest ranked G5 school should keep getting that slot.

If there were a breakaway, or if it became impossible to access the current CFP system, the concept of our own G7 playoff is something altogether different. Presumably, our best school would play in our tournament, and we’d play for our own national championship.

Your second option sounds too much like FCS. I could see more interest in a four-team G5 playoff because the stakes would be higher, because the winner gets into the playoff. More captivating storyline. The team left out would be the lowest ranked G5 champ. What needs to be worked out is reducing the schedule by eliminating the conference championship game (It's #1 vs, #2 now anyway). Just have the #1's be rewarded with the G5 playoff. Comes down to one extra game before the playoff. Should be enough time to rest the troops for the CFP.

I would only agree if it’s to get into the CFP slot and it brings extra money. But for that to happen you would probably as you said get rid of the conference championship game.
So let’s say.
1. No conference championship game
2. The top 4 ranked G5 schools
3. Winner gets into playoffs
4. Let’s say the money for those 3 games brings in enough money to make it attractive

The whole G5 playoff idea is just BS when there are several G5 schools that routinely rank above about half of the P2 conference schools yet those P2 perennial losers get carried along for the big dollars ride while we get the left overs.

(04-27-2024 11:36 AM)Cubanbull1 Wrote:  

(04-26-2024 11:20 PM)Fishpro10987 Wrote:  

(04-26-2024 03:53 PM)Ourland Wrote:  

(04-26-2024 02:25 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  A G5 playoff would require players to suit up for more games than their P4 counterparts. Aside from fairness and increased injury issues, it would undermine recruiting due to more work and increased risk.

We need to throttle this malformed monstrosity in its cradle.

A G5 CFP 'play-in' tournament after the regular season doesn't make much sense to me. The highest ranked G5 school should keep getting that slot.

If there were a breakaway, or if it became impossible to access the current CFP system, the concept of our own G7 playoff is something altogether different. Presumably, our best school would play in our tournament, and we’d play for our own national championship.

Your second option sounds too much like FCS. I could see more interest in a four-team G5 playoff because the stakes would be higher, because the winner gets into the playoff. More captivating storyline. The team left out would be the lowest ranked G5 champ. What needs to be worked out is reducing the schedule by eliminating the conference championship game (It's #1 vs, #2 now anyway). Just have the #1's be rewarded with the G5 playoff. Comes down to one extra game before the playoff. Should be enough time to rest the troops for the CFP.

I would only agree if it’s to get into the CFP slot and it brings extra money. But for that to happen you would probably as you said get rid of the conference championship game.
So let’s say.
1. No conference championship game
2. The top 4 ranked G5 schools
3. Winner gets into playoffs
4. Let’s say the money for those 3 games brings in enough money to make it attractive

I still think that makes the path to the actual goal (CFP) more difficult.

(04-29-2024 08:12 AM)CoastalJuan Wrote:  I still think that makes the path to the actual goal (CFP) more difficult.

Agreed but it's not being "locked out" as the OP implies. I'd like to G5 championship games eliminated and the top 2 G5 members play for the G5 championship game for the CFP. Nobody cares about 90% of G5 football but I think that would be a much more marketable product that all the leagues could benefit from.

(04-29-2024 09:19 AM)b2b Wrote:  

(04-29-2024 08:12 AM)CoastalJuan Wrote:  I still think that makes the path to the actual goal (CFP) more difficult.

Agreed but it's not being "locked out" as the OP implies. I'd like to G5 championship games eliminated and the top 2 G5 members play for the G5 championship game for the CFP. Nobody cares about 90% of G5 football but I think that would be a much more marketable product that all the leagues could benefit from.

1) Current format doesn't lock us out. Your opting for a better chance of elimination and/or injury ahead of the first actual playoff game
2) I don't feel like a G5 championship game would out-draw our normal CCG. Tulane-SMU is a better matchup than Tulane-Liberty. Even if you were being ridiculous and making the argument that the latter matchup is better(it's not), how much better in dollars would it be comparatively?