(04-24-2024 12:28 PM)SouthernConfBoy Wrote:  I guess I should not be stunned that some folks are so stupid as not to be able to convert the major bowl payout percentages to the new playoff system.


Rose - Big 10 $40 M, P12 $40 M
Sugar - SEC $40 M, B12 $40 M
Orange - ACC $27.5 M, B10 13.75 M, SEC 13.75 M


The Contract Bowls paid the SEC and B10 53.75 M each. Paid the B12 and P12 $40 M each, and paid the ACC $27.5 M

That's 25% for the SEC and Big 10. That's 18.6% for the P12 and B12. That's 12.8% for the ACC.

What happened to the P12's 18.6? It would not be a stretch to say that the B10 got at least 45% of the value of P12. The SEC got at least 45% of the value of the B12.

The B10 and SEC have about 33% each of the value of the money in the contract bowls and mental midgets are saying the ACC somehow lost something.

29% SEC and B10 - up from 25%
17% ACC - up from 12.8%
14% B12 - down from 18.6%

One of the news reports about the new CFP deal emphasized that ND came out even better than most realize since it never received any contract bowl payouts under the old system and, therefore, gave up the least (zero) to get a pretty good deal.

(04-24-2024 01:16 PM)Hallcity Wrote:  

(04-24-2024 01:01 PM)TerryD Wrote:  

(04-24-2024 09:40 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(04-24-2024 07:24 AM)esayem Wrote:  The fact is the ACC state schools are like half the size of Big Ten and SEC schools, and the conference counts half its membership as private or private-like schools, therefore the conference has inherently less fans...

This is patently false.

Look no further than Notre Dame - the 2nd smallest school, but the BIGGEST fan base. Why? They've done far more to cultivate T-shirt fans, and they've emphasized the sport that reaches the most fans: football.

There's no reason why other ACC schools cannot do the same.

Duke did this too. It just picked the wrong sport.

Duke basketball has the largest social media following in college sports, well ahead of Alabama football, which has the largest football social media following. Duke basketball has a larger social media following than the next two basketball programs, Kentucky and UNC, combined

Agreed. Duke basketball has done a great job building a huge fanbase.

Unfortunately, that is the wrong sport ($$ wise and realignment wise) unless they all also watch Duke football.

That is what I meant. Football eyeballs count for the most.

I meant no knock upon Duke. The last live game I attended was ND/Duke. I loved the campus and liked Wallace Wade Stadium, actually. Great sight lines.

(04-24-2024 09:52 AM)CrazyPaco Wrote:  

(04-24-2024 09:40 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(04-24-2024 07:24 AM)esayem Wrote:  The fact is the ACC state schools are like half the size of Big Ten and SEC schools, and the conference counts half its membership as private or private-like schools, therefore the conference has inherently less fans...

This is patently false.

Look no further than Notre Dame - the 2nd smallest school, but the BIGGEST fan base. Why? They've done far more to cultivate T-shirt fans, and they've emphasized the sport that reaches the most fans: football.

There's no reason why other ACC schools cannot do the same.

Yeah, there is a pretty big reason why most schools don't have the same sort of t-shirt fan base as Notre Dame.

lol, right. Notre Dame isn't a full member and isn't helping out the contract much anyway.

(04-24-2024 12:28 PM)SouthernConfBoy Wrote:  I guess I should not be stunned that some folks are so stupid as not to be able to convert the major bowl payout percentages to the new playoff system.


Rose - Big 10 $40 M, P12 $40 M
Sugar - SEC $40 M, B12 $40 M
Orange - ACC $27.5 M, B10 13.75 M, SEC 13.75 M


The Contract Bowls paid the SEC and B10 53.75 M each. Paid the B12 and P12 $40 M each, and paid the ACC $27.5 M

That's 25% for the SEC and Big 10. That's 18.6% for the P12 and B12. That's 12.8% for the ACC.

What happened to the P12's 18.6? It would not be a stretch to say that the B10 got at least 45% of the value of P12. The SEC got at least 45% of the value of the B12.

The B10 and SEC have about 33% each of the value of the money in the contract bowls and mental midgets are saying the ACC somehow lost something.

29% SEC and B10 - up from 25%
17% ACC - up from 12.8%
14% B12 - down from 18.6%

This should be pinned on the realignment board.

(04-24-2024 01:22 PM)TerryD Wrote:  

(04-24-2024 01:16 PM)Hallcity Wrote:  

(04-24-2024 01:01 PM)TerryD Wrote:  

(04-24-2024 09:40 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(04-24-2024 07:24 AM)esayem Wrote:  The fact is the ACC state schools are like half the size of Big Ten and SEC schools, and the conference counts half its membership as private or private-like schools, therefore the conference has inherently less fans...

This is patently false.

Look no further than Notre Dame - the 2nd smallest school, but the BIGGEST fan base. Why? They've done far more to cultivate T-shirt fans, and they've emphasized the sport that reaches the most fans: football.

There's no reason why other ACC schools cannot do the same.

Duke did this too. It just picked the wrong sport.

Duke basketball has the largest social media following in college sports, well ahead of Alabama football, which has the largest football social media following. Duke basketball has a larger social media following than the next two basketball programs, Kentucky and UNC, combined

Agreed. Duke basketball has done a great job building a huge fanbase.

Unfortunately, that is the wrong sport ($$ wise and realignment wise) unless they all also watch Duke football.

That is what I meant. Football eyeballs count for the most.

I meant no knock upon Duke. The last live game I attended was ND/Duke. I loved the campus and liked Wallace Wade Stadium, actually. Great sight lines.

I mentioned Miami football and their bandwagon fanbase. The fact is not nearly as many people watch their uninteresting games, or any games if they stink.

If Dook basketball fell off the map like Miami football, would they have that fanbase? I think not. There is something inherently different about ND and their fanbase.

(04-24-2024 12:28 PM)SouthernConfBoy Wrote:  I guess I should not be stunned that some folks are so stupid as not to be able to convert the major bowl payout percentages to the new playoff system.


Rose - Big 10 $40 M, P12 $40 M
Sugar - SEC $40 M, B12 $40 M
Orange - ACC $27.5 M, B10 13.75 M, SEC 13.75 M


The Contract Bowls paid the SEC and B10 53.75 M each. Paid the B12 and P12 $40 M each, and paid the ACC $27.5 M

That's 25% for the SEC and Big 10. That's 18.6% for the P12 and B12. That's 12.8% for the ACC.

What happened to the P12's 18.6? It would not be a stretch to say that the B10 got at least 45% of the value of P12. The SEC got at least 45% of the value of the B12.

The B10 and SEC have about 33% each of the value of the money in the contract bowls and mental midgets are saying the ACC somehow lost something.

29% SEC and B10 - up from 25%
17% ACC - up from 12.8%
14% B12 - down from 18.6%

Agree that CFP contract bowl payouts were never evenly distributed. A significant portion of the future CFP revenue distribution gap between the ACC (@ $13M per team) and SEC (@ $23M per team) was created by contract bowl/brand issues that have occurred for decades.

Nevertheless, the largest portion of CFP distributions were the conference allocations. In 2022/23, the P5 conferences received $79.41M each for potential participation in the CFP (and sacrificing their contract bowl venues every third year).

https://businessofcollegesports.com/coll...f-payouts/

The B1G, SEC and ACC had 14 members each…so this largest component of CFP revenue was evenly split amongst members of these conferences (as well as ND). In this CFP methodology, the PAC and B12 received windfalls because they had fewer members to split their allocations. It’s that component of money that got bundled and allocated differently.

I don't know that I would consider an extra $2 M a year to be a windfall.


79,5 / 14 = $5.67 M
79.5/ 12 = $6.625M
79.5. 10 = $7.95 M

(04-24-2024 01:22 PM)TerryD Wrote:  

(04-24-2024 01:16 PM)Hallcity Wrote:  

(04-24-2024 01:01 PM)TerryD Wrote:  

(04-24-2024 09:40 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(04-24-2024 07:24 AM)esayem Wrote:  The fact is the ACC state schools are like half the size of Big Ten and SEC schools, and the conference counts half its membership as private or private-like schools, therefore the conference has inherently less fans...

This is patently false.

Look no further than Notre Dame - the 2nd smallest school, but the BIGGEST fan base. Why? They've done far more to cultivate T-shirt fans, and they've emphasized the sport that reaches the most fans: football.

There's no reason why other ACC schools cannot do the same.

Duke did this too. It just picked the wrong sport.

Duke basketball has the largest social media following in college sports, well ahead of Alabama football, which has the largest football social media following. Duke basketball has a larger social media following than the next two basketball programs, Kentucky and UNC, combined

Agreed. Duke basketball has done a great job building a huge fanbase.

Unfortunately, that is the wrong sport ($$ wise and realignment wise) unless they all also watch Duke football.

That is what I meant. Football eyeballs count for the most.

I meant no knock upon Duke. The last live game I attended was ND/Duke. I loved the campus and liked Wallace Wade Stadium, actually. Great sight lines.

College football and basketball eyeballs differ in three respects. First, basketball games are shorter than football games. Second, there are many more basketball games than football games, which mostly makes up of the length of games. Third, basketball draws fewer eyeballs than football on average. However, Duke basketball games draw such large audiences that they're off the charts as far as eyeballs watching the games. What was the most watched men's basketball game this year? Not the national championship game. It was the Duke-NCSU regional final which drew 15 million viewers, IIRC. That's a lot for any sport. In the end, though, eyeballs are eyeballs. The more you draw to your games the more money you make, whether its football or basketball.

(04-24-2024 03:50 PM)Hallcity Wrote:  

(04-24-2024 01:22 PM)TerryD Wrote:  

(04-24-2024 01:16 PM)Hallcity Wrote:  

(04-24-2024 01:01 PM)TerryD Wrote:  

(04-24-2024 09:40 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  This is patently false.

Look no further than Notre Dame - the 2nd smallest school, but the BIGGEST fan base. Why? They've done far more to cultivate T-shirt fans, and they've emphasized the sport that reaches the most fans: football.

There's no reason why other ACC schools cannot do the same.

Duke did this too. It just picked the wrong sport.

Duke basketball has the largest social media following in college sports, well ahead of Alabama football, which has the largest football social media following. Duke basketball has a larger social media following than the next two basketball programs, Kentucky and UNC, combined

Agreed. Duke basketball has done a great job building a huge fanbase.

Unfortunately, that is the wrong sport ($$ wise and realignment wise) unless they all also watch Duke football.

That is what I meant. Football eyeballs count for the most.

I meant no knock upon Duke. The last live game I attended was ND/Duke. I loved the campus and liked Wallace Wade Stadium, actually. Great sight lines.

College football and basketball eyeballs differ in three respects. First, basketball games are shorter than football games. Second, there are many more basketball games than football games, which mostly makes up of the length of games. Third, basketball draws fewer eyeballs than football on average. However, Duke basketball games draw such large audiences that they're off the charts as far as eyeballs watching the games. What was the most watched men's basketball game this year? Not the national championship game. It was the Duke-NCSU regional final which drew 15 million viewers, IIRC. That's a lot for any sport. In the end, though, eyeballs are eyeballs. The more you draw to your games the more money you make, whether its football or basketball.

I remember times when you could walk into a Duke football game without a ticket and just sit down. No one bothered you. Of course you could not do that if Duke was playing State or Carolina.

(04-24-2024 03:26 PM)Wahoowa84 Wrote:  

(04-24-2024 12:28 PM)SouthernConfBoy Wrote:  I guess I should not be stunned that some folks are so stupid as not to be able to convert the major bowl payout percentages to the new playoff system.


Rose - Big 10 $40 M, P12 $40 M
Sugar - SEC $40 M, B12 $40 M
Orange - ACC $27.5 M, B10 13.75 M, SEC 13.75 M


The Contract Bowls paid the SEC and B10 53.75 M each. Paid the B12 and P12 $40 M each, and paid the ACC $27.5 M

That's 25% for the SEC and Big 10. That's 18.6% for the P12 and B12. That's 12.8% for the ACC.

What happened to the P12's 18.6? It would not be a stretch to say that the B10 got at least 45% of the value of P12. The SEC got at least 45% of the value of the B12.

The B10 and SEC have about 33% each of the value of the money in the contract bowls and mental midgets are saying the ACC somehow lost something.

29% SEC and B10 - up from 25%
17% ACC - up from 12.8%
14% B12 - down from 18.6%

Agree that CFP contract bowl payouts were never evenly distributed. A significant portion of the future CFP revenue distribution gap between the ACC (@ $13M per team) and SEC (@ $23M per team) was created by contract bowl/brand issues that have occurred for decades.

Nevertheless, the largest portion of CFP distributions were the conference allocations. In 2022/23, the P5 conferences received $79.41M each for potential participation in the CFP (and sacrificing their contract bowl venues every third year).

https://businessofcollegesports.com/coll...f-payouts/

The B1G, SEC and ACC had 14 members each…so this largest component of CFP revenue was evenly split amongst members of these conferences (as well as ND). In this CFP methodology, the PAC and B12 received windfalls because they had fewer members to split their allocations. It’s that component of money that got bundled and allocated differently.

The value of the Sugar Bowl and half the Orange Bowl to the SEC $53 M a year at time when we just received 27.5 M for our half of the Orange. The SEC was also getting about $10 M a year for the Citrus and Hall of Fame Bowls. The ACC did not have a bowl at that status category. So the SEC was generally banking $63 M a year more on bowls which is $4.5 million more than the ACC schools, per school.

Of course it should be that way because the Bowls are paying for a certain sized crowd.

(04-24-2024 12:28 PM)SouthernConfBoy Wrote:  I guess I should not be stunned that some folks are so stupid as not to be able to convert the major bowl payout percentages to the new playoff system.


Rose - Big 10 $40 M, P12 $40 M
Sugar - SEC $40 M, B12 $40 M
Orange - ACC $27.5 M, B10 13.75 M, SEC 13.75 M


The Contract Bowls paid the SEC and B10 53.75 M each. Paid the B12 and P12 $40 M each, and paid the ACC $27.5 M

That's 25% for the SEC and Big 10. That's 18.6% for the P12 and B12. That's 12.8% for the ACC.

What happened to the P12's 18.6? It would not be a stretch to say that the B10 got at least 45% of the value of P12. The SEC got at least 45% of the value of the B12.

The B10 and SEC have about 33% each of the value of the money in the contract bowls and mental midgets are saying the ACC somehow lost something.

29% SEC and B10 - up from 25%
17% ACC - up from 12.8%
14% B12 - down from 18.6%

Yep. I wrote about this on my blog 5 weeks ago.

Quote:...over the past 10 years, the Big Ten has received $147 million more than the ACC, and the SEC got $239 million more. You think they're going to all of a sudden agree to equal sharing?

https://accfootballrx.blogspot.com/2024/...split.html