I dont care where we are ranked in this, however when it comes to last NCAA tourney appearance, ill never forgive C-USA for rigging the basketball tournament for UAB the year their football program was shutdown. That Tech team was crazy good.

(04-19-2024 10:53 AM)EatEmUp11 Wrote:  I can definitely understand arguments for Liberty even though they’re more football focused.

Hooten’s base salary is over 400k, he’s got the second largest budget in CUSA to work with at a school that, give or take, will lead the conference in attendance most of the time with a supportive NIL base. I’d say NMSU is a top three job.

Given NMSU's location, our head coach needs a large budget. The State of New Mexico is relatively sparce in D1 talent. Our staff needs to travel greater distances for recruiting unlike other CUSA schools which have D1 talent at their doorstep. Fortunately, NMSU is a beautiful campus, the Mesilla Valley has picturesque desert views, and the Aggies basketball program has a great tradition (thanks to Lou Henson) to lure in prospective recruits.

(04-19-2024 06:53 PM)XYZ Wrote:  

(04-19-2024 10:31 AM)EatEmUp11 Wrote:  Based on budget, facilities, location, history, fan support and whatever else you deem important…

rank CUSA 4.0’s MBB coaching jobs from 1-11. The website Stadium used to run semi-annual offseason coaching surveys on certain leagues, where conference coaches anonymously ranked qualities of each rival program. Doesn’t seem like that happens anymore unfortunately.

This is just IMO ofc and based on my knowledge, want to see others.

1. WKU
2. Liberty
3. NMSU
4. UTEP
5. MTSU
6. Delaware
7. SHSU
8. LaTech
9. KSU
10. Jax State
11. FIU

I agree with most of these. I’d rank them in this order:

1. Liberty
2. WKU
3. NMSU
4. UTEP
5. La Tech
6. MTSU
7. SHSU
8. Delaware
9. Jax State
10. KSU
11. FIU

As good as WKU has been historically and is as a program, I think Liberty’s financial advantages puts them at the top. At the bottom, KSU has the worst D1 basketball record in the conference but a couple decent seasons recently including an ASUN championship elevates them slightly over FIU.

I would put KSU above Jax State

(04-21-2024 10:32 PM)jones682 Wrote:  I would put KSU above Jax State

NCAA Div. I Tournament Appearances:
JSU - 2
KSU - 1

Record Last 5 Seasons (since 2019-2020):
JSU - 79-75 (.513)
KSU - 60-90 (.400)

Attendance (Average of last 5 years for which figures are available):
JSU - 1,904.25
KSU - 1,157.5


Yeah. KSU is the clear winner here...

Some other statistics for consideration

Basketball Budgets
via Dept. of Ed “Equity in Athletics”-2022-2023 Basketball Expenses
1. LU ($4.5m)
2. NMSU ($3.6m)
3. WKU ($3.3m)
4. MTSU ($3.2m)
5. UTEP ($3.1m)
6. UD ($2.9m)
7. LaTech ($2.6m)
8. FIU ($2.3m)
9. JSU ($1.7m)
10. SHSU ($1.5m)
11. KSU ($1.4m)

HC Base Salary
Liberty-N/A
1. MTSU ($750k)
2. WKU (Lutz-$650k, Plona-$500k reportedly)
3. UD ($530k)
4. NMSU ($425k)
t5. LaTech ($400k)
t5. UTEP ($400k)
7. SHSU ($350k)
8. FIU ($300k)
9. KSU ($230k)
10. JSU ($175k, most recent number for Harper from ‘19 tho)

Longterm Hoops Rank (KenPom Avg. 2002-Pres.)
via TJ Altimore
1. NMSU (98)
2. WKU (109)
3. LaTech (118)
4. UTEP (124)
5. MTSU (125)
6. SHSU (170)
7. UD (204)
8. LU (228)
9. JSU (251)
10. FIU (272)
11. KSU (338)

Most recent P5 home game
1. WKU (Dec ‘21 vs Louisville)
2. LU (Dec ‘21 vs Mizzou)
3. MTSU (Dec ‘20 vs Ole Miss)
4. UD (Dec. ‘17 vs Notre Dame)
5. UTEP (Dec. ‘14 vs Arizona)
6. FIU (Dec. ‘13 vs Louisville)
7. NMSU (Nov ‘11 vs Arizona)
8. KSU (Nov ‘10 vs GT)
9. SHSU (Nov ‘07 vs TTU)
10. LaTech (Nov ‘06 vs TTU)
11. JSU (Jan ‘00 vs Mississippi State)

I'd say NMSU, WKU and the minors make up the top 3 in some order. I don't think Liberty is top three. Money isn't everything. For comparison, NuM has twice NMSU's budget, pays their HC double what we do and has every other advantage. Yet we have a much richer history than they do.

(04-19-2024 10:31 AM)EatEmUp11 Wrote:  Based on budget, facilities, location, history, fan support and whatever else you deem important…

rank CUSA 4.0’s MBB coaching jobs from 1-11. The website Stadium used to run semi-annual offseason coaching surveys on certain leagues, where conference coaches anonymously ranked qualities of each rival program. Doesn’t seem like that happens anymore unfortunately.

This is just IMO ofc and based on my knowledge, want to see others.

1. WKU
2. Liberty
3. NMSU
4. UTEP
5. MTSU
6. Delaware
7. SHSU
8. LaTech
9. KSU
10. Jax State
11. FIU

I'd say most of this list is right, but I'd swap KSU & Jax St. I also wonder if 6-8 might need a little reconfiguring, but I digress, as I'm just going based on my own perception of programs with little to back them up.

If you went purely off of money & other perks of just being the coach, Liberty would have it hands down between what's got to be a sweet salary & a nice house on the mountain. However, the history of the program & history of fan support is enough to drop us to 2nd. It really just depends on what you're including in this ranking.

The bottom third of those coaching salaries are atrocious. Anything below 400,000 is a joke.

Generally--you get what you pay for. I'm just hoping some of those salary stats are out of date.

Time to step up (Yes--I realize there are exceptions from time to time-SH, this year, etc.).

I might be wrong, but I read somewhere that NMSU's Hooten's base salary is approximately $520K with 105K in incentive, making it possible for him to make up to $625K in a given year.

(04-22-2024 03:57 PM)NMSUPistolPete Wrote:  I might be wrong, but I read somewhere that NMSU's Hooten's base salary is approximately $520K with 105K in incentive, making it possible for him to make up to $625K in a given year.

Yeah Las Cruces Sun (and other local media) reports indicate he’s on a 5 year contract with annual increases in increments of 25k over the first few seasons, his 2024 salary being $425,000. USA Today’s report indicates it’s $520,000. Unsure which is true, but in either case NMSU is fourth in head coach pay/base salary.

(04-22-2024 02:38 PM)EatEmUp11 Wrote:  Some other statistics for consideration

Basketball Budgets
via Dept. of Ed “Equity in Athletics”-2022-2023 Basketball Expenses
1. LU ($4.5m)
2. NMSU ($3.6m)
3. WKU ($3.3m)
4. MTSU ($3.2m)
5. UTEP ($3.1m)
6. UD ($2.9m)
7. LaTech ($2.6m)
8. FIU ($2.3m)
9. JSU ($1.7m)
10. SHSU ($1.5m)
11. KSU ($1.4m)

HC Base Salary
Liberty-N/A
1. MTSU ($750k)
2. WKU (Lutz-$650k, Plona-$500k reportedly)
3. UD ($530k)
4. NMSU ($425k)
t5. LaTech ($400k)
t5. UTEP ($400k)
7. SHSU ($350k)
8. FIU ($300k)
9. KSU ($230k)
10. JSU ($175k, most recent number for Harper from ‘19 tho)

Longterm Hoops Rank (KenPom Avg. 2002-Pres.)
via TJ Altimore
1. NMSU (98)
2. WKU (109)
3. LaTech (118)
4. UTEP (124)
5. MTSU (125)
6. SHSU (170)
7. UD (204)
8. LU (228)
9. JSU (251)
10. FIU (272)
11. KSU (338)

Most recent P5 home game
1. WKU (Dec ‘21 vs Louisville)
2. LU (Dec ‘21 vs Mizzou)
3. MTSU (Dec ‘20 vs Ole Miss)
4. UD (Dec. ‘17 vs Notre Dame)
5. UTEP (Dec. ‘14 vs Arizona)
6. FIU (Dec. ‘13 vs Louisville)
7. NMSU (Nov ‘11 vs Arizona)
8. KSU (Nov ‘10 vs GT)
9. SHSU (Nov ‘07 vs TTU)
10. LaTech (Nov ‘06 vs TTU)
11. JSU (N/A, never)

Thought Miss State played at JSU one time?

(04-22-2024 03:52 PM)TOPSTRAIGHT Wrote:  The bottom third of those coaching salaries are atrocious. Anything below 400,000 is a joke.

Generally--you get what you pay for. I'm just hoping some of those salary stats are out of date.

Time to step up (Yes--I realize there are exceptions from time to time-SH, this year, etc.).

Not sure how accurate the salaries are. UTEP pays coach a basic salary of $400k plus $300k speaking/coaches show for a total of $700k. I’ll wager the other lower paid coaches have a similar structure.

(04-23-2024 12:04 AM)MinerInWisconsin Wrote:  

(04-22-2024 03:52 PM)TOPSTRAIGHT Wrote:  The bottom third of those coaching salaries are atrocious. Anything below 400,000 is a joke.

Generally--you get what you pay for. I'm just hoping some of those salary stats are out of date.

Time to step up (Yes--I realize there are exceptions from time to time-SH, this year, etc.).

Not sure how accurate the salaries are. UTEP pays coach a basic salary of $400k plus $300k speaking/coaches show for a total of $700k. I’ll wager the other lower paid coaches have a similar structure.

Good point.

Same for WKU. Coach Plona salary is $500k base, but he gets $150k bonus for winning CUSA regular season and an additional $150k bonus if he makes the NCAA tournament. $50K Bonus for winning CUSA coach of the year and $50k for having an APR score of 970 or higher. Plus the last two WKU coaches had it in their contracts that if they get the arena selling out, they make a percentage of the ticket sales for anything over $800k in gross ticket sales.

(04-23-2024 11:05 AM)Rojogrande Wrote:  Same for WKU. Coach Plona salary is $500k base, but he gets $150k bonus for winning CUSA regular season and an additional $150k bonus if he makes the NCAA tournament. $50K Bonus for winning CUSA coach of the year and $50k for having an APR score of 970 or higher. Plus the last two WKU coaches had it in their contracts that if they get the arena selling out, they make a percentage of the ticket sales for anything over $800k in gross ticket sales.

"$400k plus $300k speaking/coaches show for a total of $700k" is a guaranteed payout. What you are talking about at WKU are bonuses for achieving certain milestones. Not the same thing.

(04-22-2024 11:01 PM)Gemofthehills Wrote:  

(04-22-2024 02:38 PM)EatEmUp11 Wrote:  Some other statistics for consideration

Basketball Budgets
via Dept. of Ed “Equity in Athletics”-2022-2023 Basketball Expenses
1. LU ($4.5m)
2. NMSU ($3.6m)
3. WKU ($3.3m)
4. MTSU ($3.2m)
5. UTEP ($3.1m)
6. UD ($2.9m)
7. LaTech ($2.6m)
8. FIU ($2.3m)
9. JSU ($1.7m)
10. SHSU ($1.5m)
11. KSU ($1.4m)

HC Base Salary
Liberty-N/A
1. MTSU ($750k)
2. WKU (Lutz-$650k, Plona-$500k reportedly)
3. UD ($530k)
4. NMSU ($425k)
t5. LaTech ($400k)
t5. UTEP ($400k)
7. SHSU ($350k)
8. FIU ($300k)
9. KSU ($230k)
10. JSU ($175k, most recent number for Harper from ‘19 tho)

Longterm Hoops Rank (KenPom Avg. 2002-Pres.)
via TJ Altimore
1. NMSU (98)
2. WKU (109)
3. LaTech (118)
4. UTEP (124)
5. MTSU (125)
6. SHSU (170)
7. UD (204)
8. LU (228)
9. JSU (251)
10. FIU (272)
11. KSU (338)

Most recent P5 home game
1. WKU (Dec ‘21 vs Louisville)
2. LU (Dec ‘21 vs Mizzou)
3. MTSU (Dec ‘20 vs Ole Miss)
4. UD (Dec. ‘17 vs Notre Dame)
5. UTEP (Dec. ‘14 vs Arizona)
6. FIU (Dec. ‘13 vs Louisville)
7. NMSU (Nov ‘11 vs Arizona)
8. KSU (Nov ‘10 vs GT)
9. SHSU (Nov ‘07 vs TTU)
10. LaTech (Nov ‘06 vs TTU)
11. JSU (N/A, never)

Thought Miss State played at JSU one time?

You’re right, MSU played at JSU in January of 2000. Not sure how I overlooked that one, thanks for the heads up.

https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/sch...edule.html

(04-22-2024 11:01 PM)Gemofthehills Wrote:  

(04-22-2024 02:38 PM)EatEmUp11 Wrote:  Some other statistics for consideration

Most recent P5 home game
1. WKU (Dec ‘21 vs Louisville)
2. LU (Dec ‘21 vs Mizzou)
3. MTSU (Dec ‘20 vs Ole Miss)
4. UD (Dec. ‘17 vs Notre Dame)
5. UTEP (Dec. ‘14 vs Arizona)
6. FIU (Dec. ‘13 vs Louisville)
7. NMSU (Nov ‘11 vs Arizona)
8. KSU (Nov ‘10 vs GT)
9. SHSU (Nov ‘07 vs TTU)
10. LaTech (Nov ‘06 vs TTU)
11. JSU (N/A, never)

Thought Miss State played at JSU one time?

This is correct.

Jax State men's basketball hosted Mississippi State on Jan. 19, 2000.

The bad guys won, 73-61.

For Kennesaw State, I used Amir Abdul Rahim’s last contract because I couldn’t find anything for Petteway.

https://openpayrolls.com/rank/highest-pa...university

Mudge’s base is 350k, not including media obligations.

https://profiles.shsu.edu/sms049/FY%2024...ation.xlsx

This looks a bit more updated for JSU… Harper’s salary is around 200k per this doc.

https://webprod.jsu.edu/openalabama/cate...y=Salaries

I tried to avoid including media/TV obligations that aren’t directly paid out by the universities themselves, wanted to strictly use the base salary so that’s what I looked at.

(04-23-2024 02:02 PM)EatEmUp11 Wrote:  

(04-22-2024 11:01 PM)Gemofthehills Wrote:  

(04-22-2024 02:38 PM)EatEmUp11 Wrote:  Some other statistics for consideration

Basketball Budgets
via Dept. of Ed “Equity in Athletics”-2022-2023 Basketball Expenses
1. LU ($4.5m)
2. NMSU ($3.6m)
3. WKU ($3.3m)
4. MTSU ($3.2m)
5. UTEP ($3.1m)
6. UD ($2.9m)
7. LaTech ($2.6m)
8. FIU ($2.3m)
9. JSU ($1.7m)
10. SHSU ($1.5m)
11. KSU ($1.4m)

HC Base Salary
Liberty-N/A
1. MTSU ($750k)
2. WKU (Lutz-$650k, Plona-$500k reportedly)
3. UD ($530k)
4. NMSU ($425k)
t5. LaTech ($400k)
t5. UTEP ($400k)
7. SHSU ($350k)
8. FIU ($300k)
9. KSU ($230k)
10. JSU ($175k, most recent number for Harper from ‘19 tho)

Longterm Hoops Rank (KenPom Avg. 2002-Pres.)
via TJ Altimore
1. NMSU (98)
2. WKU (109)
3. LaTech (118)
4. UTEP (124)
5. MTSU (125)
6. SHSU (170)
7. UD (204)
8. LU (228)
9. JSU (251)
10. FIU (272)
11. KSU (338)

Most recent P5 home game
1. WKU (Dec ‘21 vs Louisville)
2. LU (Dec ‘21 vs Mizzou)
3. MTSU (Dec ‘20 vs Ole Miss)
4. UD (Dec. ‘17 vs Notre Dame)
5. UTEP (Dec. ‘14 vs Arizona)
6. FIU (Dec. ‘13 vs Louisville)
7. NMSU (Nov ‘11 vs Arizona)
8. KSU (Nov ‘10 vs GT)
9. SHSU (Nov ‘07 vs TTU)
10. LaTech (Nov ‘06 vs TTU)
11. JSU (N/A, never)

Thought Miss State played at JSU one time?

You’re right, MSU played at JSU in January of 2000. Not sure how I overlooked that one, thanks for the heads up.

https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/sch...edule.html

So long most folks probably were not alive.

(04-22-2024 02:38 PM)EatEmUp11 Wrote:  Some other statistics for consideration

Basketball Budgets
via Dept. of Ed “Equity in Athletics”-2022-2023 Basketball Expenses
1. LU ($4.5m)
2. NMSU ($3.6m)
3. WKU ($3.3m)
4. MTSU ($3.2m)
5. UTEP ($3.1m)
6. UD ($2.9m)
7. LaTech ($2.6m)
8. FIU ($2.3m)
9. JSU ($1.7m)
10. SHSU ($1.5m)
11. KSU ($1.4m)

HC Base Salary
Liberty-N/A
1. MTSU ($750k)
2. WKU (Lutz-$650k, Plona-$500k reportedly)
3. UD ($530k)
4. NMSU ($425k)
t5. LaTech ($400k)
t5. UTEP ($400k)
7. SHSU ($350k)
8. FIU ($300k)
9. KSU ($230k)
10. JSU ($175k, most recent number for Harper from ‘19 tho)

Longterm Hoops Rank (KenPom Avg. 2002-Pres.)
via TJ Altimore
1. NMSU (98)
2. WKU (109)
3. LaTech (118)
4. UTEP (124)
5. MTSU (125)
6. SHSU (170)
7. UD (204)
8. LU (228)
9. JSU (251)
10. FIU (272)
11. KSU (338)

Most recent P5 home game
1. WKU (Dec ‘21 vs Louisville)
2. LU (Dec ‘21 vs Mizzou)
3. MTSU (Dec ‘20 vs Ole Miss)
4. UD (Dec. ‘17 vs Notre Dame)
5. UTEP (Dec. ‘14 vs Arizona)
6. FIU (Dec. ‘13 vs Louisville)
7. NMSU (Nov ‘11 vs Arizona)
8. KSU (Nov ‘10 vs GT)
9. SHSU (Nov ‘07 vs TTU)
10. LaTech (Nov ‘06 vs TTU)
11. JSU (Jan ‘00 vs Mississippi State)

Here I was thinking Ritchie Mckays $1.3 million salary was kind of low. Evidently not.