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RE: Twitter Rumor on ACC/ESPN/FSU/Clemson Settlement
(04-14-2024 10:47 AM)esayem Wrote:  
(04-14-2024 09:04 AM)green Wrote:  
(04-13-2024 07:56 PM)ChrisLords Wrote:  
(04-13-2024 07:18 PM)green Wrote:  
(04-13-2024 06:37 PM)JRsec Wrote:  You won't be taking less. ESPN intends it as an invitation to expand with product they desire. It's their way of saying if you help us we'll help you. If FSU and Clemson depart you stand at 15 plus 1. You pick up South Florida to secure them from the Big 10 for ESPN and you add two to the West to create a division. Whether that is marginal like Oregon State and Washington State, or potentially beneficial like Colorado and Utah, or another pair would remain to be seen, but any of them would add, cut down on travel, and make the ACC more competitive as the #3 conference. Then you can look Easterly for another pair to 20.

wishful thinking, mr sec ...
once settlement is reached ...
horse is out of the barn ...
floodgates open ...
can't put the toothpaste back in the tube ...
I know ...

CHEESY CLICHÉS

What makes you think the SEC and B1G want a bunch of ACC schools for $100 mil/yr each in media rights fee?

b/c ...
they're not the ones calling the shots ...
psst ...
the networks are ...

MAGIC OF THINKING B1G

The only opened floodgates would be the amount of money the networks would be wasting.

There are only so many time slots for each FOX and ESPN. It makes absolutely no sense to oversaturate a conference at the highest payment tier if really only about 25% of the teams command the numbers. This is why your Hurricanes aren't going anywhere.

Are you sure he's Miami fan?
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RE: Twitter Rumor on ACC/ESPN/FSU/Clemson Settlement
(04-14-2024 10:47 AM)esayem Wrote:  
(04-14-2024 09:04 AM)green Wrote:  
(04-13-2024 07:56 PM)ChrisLords Wrote:  
(04-13-2024 07:18 PM)green Wrote:  
(04-13-2024 06:37 PM)JRsec Wrote:  You won't be taking less. ESPN intends it as an invitation to expand with product they desire. It's their way of saying if you help us we'll help you. If FSU and Clemson depart you stand at 15 plus 1. You pick up South Florida to secure them from the Big 10 for ESPN and you add two to the West to create a division. Whether that is marginal like Oregon State and Washington State, or potentially beneficial like Colorado and Utah, or another pair would remain to be seen, but any of them would add, cut down on travel, and make the ACC more competitive as the #3 conference. Then you can look Easterly for another pair to 20.

wishful thinking, mr sec ...
once settlement is reached ...
horse is out of the barn ...
floodgates open ...
can't put the toothpaste back in the tube ...
I know ...

CHEESY CLICHÉS

What makes you think the SEC and B1G want a bunch of ACC schools for $100 mil/yr each in media rights fee?

b/c ...
they're not the ones calling the shots ...
psst ...
the networks are ...

MAGIC OF THINKING B1G

The only opened floodgates would be the amount of money the networks would be wasting.

There are only so many time slots for each FOX and ESPN. It makes absolutely no sense to oversaturate a conference at the highest payment tier if really only about 25% of the teams command the numbers. This is why your Hurricanes aren't going anywhere.

[Image: OIP._osn951qjE4sASPxd22I7wHaFj?rs=1&...ImgDetMain]

couple things ...
it's not your money ...
what's it to you ...
secondly ...
opinions are like, er, belly buttons ...
it's the talent that brings in the money ...
when rolling ...

NO ONE COMPARES TO U
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RE: Twitter Rumor on ACC/ESPN/FSU/Clemson Settlement
(04-14-2024 12:35 PM)green Wrote:  
(04-14-2024 10:47 AM)esayem Wrote:  
(04-14-2024 09:04 AM)green Wrote:  
(04-13-2024 07:56 PM)ChrisLords Wrote:  
(04-13-2024 07:18 PM)green Wrote:  wishful thinking, mr sec ...
once settlement is reached ...
horse is out of the barn ...
floodgates open ...
can't put the toothpaste back in the tube ...
I know ...

CHEESY CLICHÉS

What makes you think the SEC and B1G want a bunch of ACC schools for $100 mil/yr each in media rights fee?

b/c ...
they're not the ones calling the shots ...
psst ...
the networks are ...

MAGIC OF THINKING B1G

The only opened floodgates would be the amount of money the networks would be wasting.

There are only so many time slots for each FOX and ESPN. It makes absolutely no sense to oversaturate a conference at the highest payment tier if really only about 25% of the teams command the numbers. This is why your Hurricanes aren't going anywhere.

[Image: OIP._osn951qjE4sASPxd22I7wHaFj?rs=1&...ImgDetMain]

couple things ...
it's not your money ...
what's it to you ...
secondly ...
opinions are like, er, belly buttons ...
it's the talent that brings in the money ...
when rolling ...

NO ONE COMPARES TO U

Oh, the old "I know you are but what am I response"?

Really? So go ahead and invalidate all your own opinions while you're at it.

FOX and ESPN aren't in the business of wasting money. Enjoy the ACC.

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RE: Twitter Rumor on ACC/ESPN/FSU/Clemson Settlement
Don’t waste your time. Mr. Lambert is not credible.







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RE: Twitter Rumor on ACC/ESPN/FSU/Clemson Settlement
(04-13-2024 08:25 AM)esayem Wrote:  
(04-12-2024 09:13 PM)SouthernConfBoy Wrote:  The ACC and ESPN make a ton of money off the ACCN. The funny thing is when it comes to football the games are not who you might think would be driving the money.

This is the number of appearances over the last three years on the ACCN by school:

22 Pitt. That's an average of 7 games a year.
16 VT. An average of 5 games a year.
15 BC and WF, again an average of 5 per year.
14 UNC, NC State, Syracuse, and Duke.

12 Miami, UVa, Louisville this is down to just 4 appearances per year.
11 GT
10 Clemson and FSU

1 Notre Dame

That means the ACCN during football season has been a function of

11.5% Pitt
8,3& VT
7.8 % WF and BC
7.3% UNC, NC State, Duke, Syracuse
6% UVa, Louisville, Miami
5.7% GT
5% Clemson and FSU

Right! I’ve been pointing this out forever but nobody listens. The ACCN is the great equalizer; outside of its revenue I believe the schools are only making somewhere in the mid to high $20m /year range with what we could call their ESPN cable deal. So when people blather about FSU and Clemson driving the conference’s deal up and not being paid much, just point them to that lowball number and laugh.

fox corp owns 61% of btn ...
joint venture between network & conference ...
fox also owns rights to nfl (dolphins), mlb (marlins), mls (inter Miami), world baseball classic '26 (host city), world cup '26 (host city), nascar (dixie vodka 400), wwe (the rock), ufl (the rock) ...
in-state rates + cross-marketing strategy ...
that alone ...

PAYS FOR ITSELF
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(04-14-2024 06:08 PM)random asian guy Wrote:  Don’t waste your time. Mr. Lambert is not credible.
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Berkeley could be confused for Morgantown, I suppose, if one breathes enough sofa fumes.

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RE: Twitter Rumor on ACC/ESPN/FSU/Clemson Settlement
(04-16-2024 08:57 AM)Gitanole Wrote:  
(04-14-2024 06:08 PM)random asian guy Wrote:  Don’t waste your time. Mr. Lambert is not credible.
....

....

Berkeley could be confused for Morgantown, I suppose, if one breathes enough sofa fumes.

07-coffee3

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Looks like this
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Twitter Rumor on ACC/ESPN/FSU/Clemson Settlement
Ordinarily, the filing of a status report is an exercise in legal banality. However, FSU's report caught my attention for a couple of reasons.

First, #FSU's claimed damages have inexplicably risen from $572 million in its amended complaint to $700 million in its status report. Neither figure holds water, given FSU's method of amalgamating the value of media rights, an actual exit fee, and broadcast fees—distinct contractual elements for which the statute of limitations on any grievances has expired. Moreover, FSU's portrayal of the ACC as holding its media rights hostage is misleading. Under contract law, any retention of FSU's media rights by the ACC would necessitate equitable compensation to FSU. Contract law, especially, does not allow for an undeserved financial windfall for the #ACC. I have explained my deep skepticism of FSU's damages here: x.com/mckenzielaw/st…

Second, I don’t understand FSU’s reliance on the two cases it submitted to the court as exhibits—as if the North Carolina Business Court lacks access to #Lexis+ or #Westlaw—and both are misaligned with the actual issues at stake.

The du Pont case, centered on environmental regulatory enforcement by State of North Carolina, deals with public welfare and sovereign actions—elements starkly absent in a contractual dispute between an athletic conference (ACC) and a state agency (FSU). (By the way, and again, there is no sovereign immunity for contract disputes. Plus, despite FSU’s argument of how the ACC is taking from a “sovereign,” which is literally one of the most absurd arguments I have heard in my entire career, the ACC actually has no state powers and can do no taking under the United States Constitution. FSU's argument here is for the birds. Awful.) FSU's attempt to draw parallels here stretches the bounds of legal reasoning, as the ACC-FSU conflict hinges on private contractual obligations and not on state-led regulatory enforcement.

Similarly, FSU’s reliance on In Re Southeastern Eye Center, which pertains to business disputes and a hotly contested receivership, is inapposite. That case is about procedural management in a context vastly different from the conference governance and contractual disputes of the ACC-FSU litigation. The procedural nuances of stay orders in such business disputes cannot be directly applied to the current intercollegiate athletic conflict, which primarily concerns conference contracts, conference management, and intellectual property rights.

As for the ACC’s status report, much of it aligns closely with what I previously explained here: x.com/mckenzielaw/st….

Otherwise, the North Carolina Business Court's request for a status report was not a request for argument. FSU’s decision to infuse its report with arguments—particularly through the use of inapplicable precedents—was consistent with the remarkably weak legal position it occupies and its prior weak pleadings. You can read about my thoughts on FSU’s lousy position here x.com/mckenzielaw/st… and here x.com/mckenzielaw/st…. FSU’s legal position is truly terrible.


https://x.com/mckenzielaw/status/1780755...OBPKLg0WDw
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(04-17-2024 08:17 PM)Pony94 Wrote:  Ordinarily, the filing of a status report is an exercise in legal banality. However, FSU's report caught my attention for a couple of reasons.

First, #FSU's claimed damages have inexplicably risen from $572 million in its amended complaint to $700 million in its status report. Neither figure holds water, given FSU's method of amalgamating the value of media rights, an actual exit fee, and broadcast fees—distinct contractual elements for which the statute of limitations on any grievances has expired. Moreover, FSU's portrayal of the ACC as holding its media rights hostage is misleading. Under contract law, any retention of FSU's media rights by the ACC would necessitate equitable compensation to FSU. Contract law, especially, does not allow for an undeserved financial windfall for the #ACC. I have explained my deep skepticism of FSU's damages here: x.com/mckenzielaw/st…

Second, I don’t understand FSU’s reliance on the two cases it submitted to the court as exhibits—as if the North Carolina Business Court lacks access to #Lexis+ or #Westlaw—and both are misaligned with the actual issues at stake.

The du Pont case, centered on environmental regulatory enforcement by State of North Carolina, deals with public welfare and sovereign actions—elements starkly absent in a contractual dispute between an athletic conference (ACC) and a state agency (FSU). (By the way, and again, there is no sovereign immunity for contract disputes. Plus, despite FSU’s argument of how the ACC is taking from a “sovereign,” which is literally one of the most absurd arguments I have heard in my entire career, the ACC actually has no state powers and can do no taking under the United States Constitution. FSU's argument here is for the birds. Awful.) FSU's attempt to draw parallels here stretches the bounds of legal reasoning, as the ACC-FSU conflict hinges on private contractual obligations and not on state-led regulatory enforcement.

Similarly, FSU’s reliance on In Re Southeastern Eye Center, which pertains to business disputes and a hotly contested receivership, is inapposite. That case is about procedural management in a context vastly different from the conference governance and contractual disputes of the ACC-FSU litigation. The procedural nuances of stay orders in such business disputes cannot be directly applied to the current intercollegiate athletic conflict, which primarily concerns conference contracts, conference management, and intellectual property rights.

As for the ACC’s status report, much of it aligns closely with what I previously explained here: x.com/mckenzielaw/st….

Otherwise, the North Carolina Business Court's request for a status report was not a request for argument. FSU’s decision to infuse its report with arguments—particularly through the use of inapplicable precedents—was consistent with the remarkably weak legal position it occupies and its prior weak pleadings. You can read about my thoughts on FSU’s lousy position here x.com/mckenzielaw/st… and here x.com/mckenzielaw/st…. FSU’s legal position is truly terrible.


https://x.com/mckenzielaw/status/1780755...OBPKLg0WDw

This post looks itself rather like 'a status report infused with argument.' 03-wink

We'll see how things go.
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(04-16-2024 09:08 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  
(04-16-2024 08:57 AM)Gitanole Wrote:  
(04-14-2024 06:08 PM)random asian guy Wrote:  Don’t waste your time. Mr. Lambert is not credible.
....

....

Berkeley could be confused for Morgantown, I suppose, if one breathes enough sofa fumes.

07-coffee3

He must think this
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Looks like this
[Image: images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRrSwHMYnygx22smWDTEXx...&s]

A superficial resemblance can be granted—but Berkeley's team has far more interesting fumes to inhale.
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(04-18-2024 03:46 AM)Gitanole Wrote:  
(04-16-2024 09:08 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  
(04-16-2024 08:57 AM)Gitanole Wrote:  
(04-14-2024 06:08 PM)random asian guy Wrote:  Don’t waste your time. Mr. Lambert is not credible.
....

....

Berkeley could be confused for Morgantown, I suppose, if one breathes enough sofa fumes.

07-coffee3

He must think this
[Image: rawImage.jpg]

Looks like this
[Image: images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRrSwHMYnygx22smWDTEXx...&s]

A superficial resemblance can be granted—but Berkeley's team has far more interesting fumes to inhale.

I don't know. As I recall they grow some pretty good $#!+ in West Virginia.
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